1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

  2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just because certain countries turn themselves into hell holes,

 

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

We've helped a bit. I mean with turning these countries into hell-holes.

Nothing to do with me, I've never been to America!...…...and have no intention of ever going there!

1 hour ago, riclag said:

This is a attack ,similar to 9/11

Then instead of simply voting, you might want to enroll...except that defending the Southern border, you may find yourself sent in Irak to spread democracy, or in Yemen to spread famine...

"Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Arizona, said the caravan is another example of how undocumented immigrants and “their enablers continue to flout the laws of the United States” and urged his fellow lawmakers to approve a bill he introduced to penalize the home country of every undocumented immigrant caught at the border".

“We have continued to provide foreign aid to our neighbors to the south even though they permit, and even encourage, thousands of their citizens to enter the U.S. illegally,” he said in a statement issued Wednesday".

"Analysts say most migrants are not dissuaded by the risk of the road and ignore admonishments from the U.S. government, or anti-immigrant sentiments that appear to be more prevalent in the country, because the situation is that dire in their own countries".

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/nation-now/mexican-government-sends-federal-police-to-intercept-caravan-of-us-bound-migrants/465-0100dfa9-459d-4192-83f4-0871a33ed83b

They are not dissuaded because they are being enabled and handsomely supported by the farleft's  organization's, that push globalism and socialism with no boarders ideology! They are a burden on their countries .I don't want that for my country,we have to many homeless sleeping in the streets. 

 

Edited October 19, 20187 yr by riclag

56 minutes ago, helpisgood said:

As for El Salvador, the US meddling there is so well-known that you can easily do it yourself.  As I have stated above, trace what happened to Oscar Romero and those four nuns just for starters

Can you just tell me , what happened to Oscar Romero ?

 

Sheesh, 5,000 immigrants, it's the end of the world. Stephen Miller must be tearing his hair out?

 

We've got 7 million job openings, we need more people willing to work.

 

Estimates vary, but many (40%? 70%) "illegal" immigrants arrived by airplane, with proper documentation (visa, visa waiver, etc.) and have over-stayed.

 

New rally chant... "Build the Dome, Build the Dome, Build the Dome".

 

I still don't get this fear of immigrants, but I guess if you're already afraid then it's easy pickings to stoke that fear.

 

 

And also order the military (army corps of engineers) to build the WALL and bypass the saps in congress. This wall should have been built in the 80's.  

34 minutes ago, sanemax said:

As I stated before , I do not have the inclination to write a small book and post in on these forums to explain in detail .

   I cannot make sense of Germanys invasion of Poland in 1939 and El Salvadorians walking to USA in 2018 and the relation between the two

The US has repeatedly intervened in the affairs of these 2 nations allying itself with the military and the wealthy that has repeatedly brutally suppressed the workers in those nations.. This has created the awful social and economic conditions prevalent in these nations today.  And that's why so many of them leave.

maybe they all want to shake the hands of the person who paid their way into a us presidency?

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

And how did "we" turn Honduras and El Salvador into "hell-holes" ?

Read some Central American history.

He needs to recheck the US law.  He can't use the US Military to close the border, just like he couldn't use them earlier this year.  They called up the National guard a few months ago  and all that they did was empty the trash cans for the border patrol.  It's just another rant to incite his base and deflect from the reporters killing by MBS!

Off topic post removed.

15 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Read some Central American history.

I have been assigned to read three books already today , as well as the history of World war 2 ,  Romeros autobiography and two YouTube documentaries .

  I will get around to reading Central american history just after Christmas

7 hours ago, webfact said:

DRUGS pouring in,

Er, this is because there is a HUGE market for the stuff dude.

White middle class Americans WANT their coke.

Edited October 19, 20187 yr by thaiguzzi

# 5    Thanks for the laugh !!!!!!!!!   your mind is great 55555

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

This is a rather simplistic, almost child-like, view of the world, but right in line with the "Trump Doctrine".

 

I honestly don't even know what to make of such a statement. We have joint defense agreements with many, many, many, many countries, for a reason.

 

 

 

It might be simplistic, but so is laying all blame on the US. Sure, the US is responsible to some of the prevailing circumstances, but it can be argued as to the extent or degree such responsibility applies. The examples cited earlier (Poland, Guernica) aren't quite similar, unless one is seriously into hyperbole.

 

Migrants have been grouping for safety in numbers for a long time, but it's gotten wider coverage in recent years for obvious reasons.  Media licks their lips, they love a good shit storm, keep it going as long as they can.  ????

 

These folks wind up massing at the border areas (or at least they used to) waiting to cross, like the Running of the Bulls.  I drove out there a few times back in the 80s and 90s, among the hills of San Diego/Tijuana before it became a war zone.  They mass on the Baja side waiting for night, their simple strategy is bum rush and overwhelm US law enforcement.  Those who make it start fragmenting into smaller groups, which makes them harder to track and catch.    Helicopters and ground units wind up chasing them through neighborhood streets and peoples' houses and gardens from Imperial Beach, East across San Ysidro, up to National City and Chula Vista.   For the folks who live in those areas with illegals jumping their fences, running through their gardens, hiding under their cars and in their garages, loud helicopters flying over their houses for hours on end at night, spot lights shining, police and Border Patrol agents all over the place, sirens blaring - I'm sure they have a different perspective on this.

 

Due to improvements in the urban border areas, the illegal groups are herded further East into the mountains and desert out in Imperial Country.   I drove out of San Diego on I-8 East a few years ago, holy s**t, it was like a bloody war zone out there - Border Patrol, Sheriff's Deputies Highway Patrol all over the place.  I used to go 4x4'ing in my Jeep, there was nobody out there, so quiet it made your ears hurt.   This kind of scene plays out all along the US SW Border - illegal border crossing/Immigration, human trafficking, drug smuggling, rape, murder. 

 

Doesn't seem so invasive from way over here in Thailand though.

 

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

Er, this is because there is a HUGE market for the stuff dude.

White middle class Americans WANT their coke.

Not anymore!

They want their opioid tainted painkillers, and they can get them from the pharmacy...no need of the South American cartels for that, the big pharma cartel can "deal" with this...

For various reasons, a number of posts and answers have been removed.

Calling America fascist is way over the top, if this continues there will be 

suspensions handed out free of charge.

 

 

4 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

4 hours ago, sanemax said:

Every Country is responsible for themselves and solely responsible for their own situation and people from one Country cannot just walk into another Country without going through the process of getting permission 

 

This is a rather simplistic, almost child-like, view of the world, but right in line with the "Trump Doctrine".

 

I honestly don't even know what to make of such a statement. We have joint defense agreements with many, many, many, many countries, for a reason.

 

 

 

my grandparents behaved very foolishly and brazenly. they actually applied to emigrate to the united states.

12 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

Not anymore!

They want their opioid tainted painkillers, and they can get them from the pharmacy...no need of the South American cartels for that, the big pharma cartel can "deal" with this...

No.

The majority of the opioid junkies are white trailer trash. Not all, but most. Bigger hit & cheaper than imported coke.

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

Sheesh, 5,000 immigrants, it's the end of the world. Stephen Miller must be tearing his hair out?

 

We've got 7 million job openings, we need more people willing to work.

 

Estimates vary, but many (40%? 70%) "illegal" immigrants arrived by airplane, with proper documentation (visa, visa waiver, etc.) and have over-stayed.

 

New rally chant... "Build the Dome, Build the Dome, Build the Dome".

 

I still don't get this fear of immigrants, but I guess if you're already afraid then it's easy pickings to stoke that fear.

 

 

You might want to read the post #60 from 55Jay...

 

You need to see further than that...these few thousands are but a small sample of the millions waiting behind.

 

Opening the doors would be seen as an invitation...look at Europe and see what happen after you open the doors...there is no end to the flow...

 

11 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

No.

The majority of the opioid junkies are white trailer trash. Not all, but most. Bigger hit & cheaper than imported coke.

Right, but I thought that it was only the 1% who could afford the imported stuff, while the 99%, either living in trailers or in underwater homes, were looking for a cheap trip and a fast lane to the cemetary...

now it is a thousand and maybe easy to prevent these poor immigrant to enter USA. 

but but, time will come and these immigrants will group as millions and walk.

and once they reach a million or more, no army can prevent them from entering from any border.

those days are not far due to the malpractice of USA and sh.tty politics which made all South American countries in bad shape with bad economy with poor people.

and sure they look for greener pastures naturally to feed their families. i guess we all do the same.

you reap what you sow.

Edited October 19, 20187 yr by Galactus

A post that contains unproven detail has been removed.

4 hours ago, riclag said:

"Rep. Andy Biggs, R-Arizona, said the caravan is another example of how undocumented immigrants and “their enablers continue to flout the laws of the United States” and urged his fellow lawmakers to approve a bill he introduced to penalize the home country of every undocumented immigrant caught at the border".

“We have continued to provide foreign aid to our neighbors to the south even though they permit, and even encourage, thousands of their citizens to enter the U.S. illegally,” he said in a statement issued Wednesday".

"Analysts say most migrants are not dissuaded by the risk of the road and ignore admonishments from the U.S. government, or anti-immigrant sentiments that appear to be more prevalent in the country, because the situation is that dire in their own countries".

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/nation-now/mexican-government-sends-federal-police-to-intercept-caravan-of-us-bound-migrants/465-0100dfa9-459d-4192-83f4-0871a33ed83b

They are not dissuaded because they are being enabled and handsomely supported by the farleft's  organization's, that push globalism and socialism with no boarders ideology! They are a burden on their countries .I don't want that for my country,we have to many homeless sleeping in the streets. 

 

Actually, most economic analyses shows that undocumented immigrants are a net benefit to the country.

"A 2007 review of the academic literature by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that "over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." While the overall fiscal impact on the US is beneficial, unauthorized immigrants have an adverse impact on the budgets of state and local governments."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

You might want to read the post #60 from 55Jay...

 

You need to see further than that...these few thousands are but a small sample of the millions waiting behind.

 

Opening the doors would be seen as an invitation...look at Europe and see what happen after you open the doors...there is no end to the flow...

 

Your post is a perfect illlustration of baseless alarmism of anti-immigrant posters.

 

Migration to Europe Is Down
Sharply. So Is It Still a ‘Crisis’?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/27/world/europe/europe-migrant-crisis-change.html

 

What Immigration Crisis? The U.S. Isn’t Being Swamped

"The influx of Mexicans has reversed and the same will happen with Central Americans."

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-06-26/what-immigration-crisis-the-u-s-isn-t-being-swamped

I'm not anti-immigration.  I do not like illegal immigration. 

 

I also don't like murder, rape, and shop lifting.  That makes me anti-murder, anti-rape, anti-shoplifting.  No implied stigma there, so that's no problem.   ????

37 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, most economic analyses shows that undocumented immigrants are a net benefit to the country.

"A 2007 review of the academic literature by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office found that "over the past two decades, most efforts to estimate the fiscal impact of immigration in the United States have concluded that, in aggregate and over the long term, tax revenues of all types generated by immigrants—both legal and unauthorized—exceed the cost of the services they use." While the overall fiscal impact on the US is beneficial, unauthorized immigrants have an adverse impact on the budgets of state and local governments."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

Could careless what your opinion is !Non American 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Mr Trump, just do it.

 

Just because certain countries turn themselves into hell holes, it's not the responsibilities of western countries to take those that want a better life. They should stay home and sort their own country out.

+1...Good post !!!

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Could careless what your opinion is !Non American 

Whatever my nationality may be, (and on what basis you make your inference is past me,) thanks for offering yourself as a model to show that nationality is no substitute for intellect.  

Now let me demonstrate to you what rational discourse looks like.

In the Bloomberg article by Noah Smith, he show that there is actualy a net outflow of undocumented Mexican immigrants in the USA. And the reason for that is simple: demographics. As the fertility rate in Mexico declines, the economy is better able to absorb its young people. Right now at 2.18 Mexico is virtually at replacement level for its population. Which is why the negative numbers.

Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador's birth rates are also declining. They're still above replacement level but the decline is quite steep. It would be even steeper if the USA gave more funds to family planning. But as I'm sure you don't know, not only has funding declined under the Trump administration, but for the first time they have stopped given any funding to any family planning institute with any connection to abortion services at all. So by its policy, the Trump administration is actually prolonging what it claims to believe is a problem. Can you recognize the contradiction?

 

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1 hour ago, 55Jay said:

I'm not anti-immigration.  I do not like illegal immigration. 

 

I also don't like murder, rape, and shop lifting.  That makes me anti-murder, anti-rape, anti-shoplifting.  No implied stigma there, so that's no problem.   ????

Well, you might be pleased to learn that since you don't like murder, rape, and shop lifting, illegal immigrants are far less likely to commit these crimes than are American citizens.

MOSTLY TRUE: Undocumented immigrants less likely to commit crimes than U.S. citizens

https://www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/aug/03/antonio-villaraigosa/mostly-true-undocumented-immigrants-less-likely-co/

Feel any better now?