how to apply for non-imm O retirement

[iCrane]

So, I have been in Thailand for some years now on a marriage non-imm O.  However, I made a big mistake and flew out of Thailand without a re-entry permit.  I have re-entered on a 30-day stamp and now I have to apply for a visa from scratch.  I was think this time I might go for a retirement visa since I understand the process is easier.  For one thing I won't have to drag my wife with me to Chaeng Wattana every year.  

 

Is there a description of the procedure that I have to follow somewhere here on TV?  Or can someone outline the procedure?  Apparently, I apply for the non-imm O retirement and get a 90-day visa.  What form do I use and what documents do I have to show for the first application?  After 60 days I can apply for a one-year extension at which point I have to furnish evidence of meeting the financial requirement.  Is that correct?  What form do I use at that point?

 

Can someone advise?

[ubonjoe]

You will have to apply for a 90 day non immigrant visa (category O) entry. You will need to show the same financial proof needed for the extension of stay based upon retirement but the 800k baht only has to be in the bank on the day you apply (60 days is not required). You will need at least 15 days remaining on your current 30 day entry to apply. General requirement are here. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_80

Then during the last 45 days of the 90 day entry from the visa you will apply for the one year extension of stay using the standard TM7 form.

 

[iCrane]

Thanks much for the prompt reply.  I will hit the 15 day window in a few days and won't have enough time to shift funds over to top up my Thai bank account to 800k by then.  I don't yet have pension income.  Is there another way to meet the financial requirement, e.g. by showing assets in a US institution?

 

Failing that, I do have a bit over 400k in my Thai bank account at the moment.  So, I can apply for a non-imm O by marriage, right?  Do I fill out the same TM.7 form and the same documents in applying for a new marriage visa that I do every year in applying for an extension?   When I search the link you provided in the "Change Visa" category, I see a link labeled "Change visa - FOR PROVIDING SUPPORT TO OR BEING A DEPENDANT OF A THAI CITIZEN OR PERSON HAVING RESIDENCY IN THAILAND (SPOUSE VISA)" But when I click on this link the page I get has this title: DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION FOR VISA OR VISA STATUS ALTERATION (NON-O) TO FULFILL THE DUTY OR RESPONSIBILITY AS AN IMMEDIATE MEMBER OF A FOREIGN FAMILY IN THAILAND.  This does not seem to be what I want because it is asking for company information, which is not relevant to me. 

 

Sorry for the funky font stuff, which I can't seem to correct.

[lopburi3]

If you can not meet the financials now perhaps a quick trip to Savannakhet and get the required non immigrant O visa there on basis of marriage paperwork and 60 days after return to do your normal extension but for retirement (same visa entry can be used for either). 

 

To obtain the non immigrant O from immigration will cost 2,000 baht and you do not use the TM7 (either TM86 or TM87 depending if you have visa or visa exempt entry). 

[iCrane]

Why would I want to go to Savannaket as opposed to Chaeng Wattana?  It appears that the advantage of Savannakhet is that no financial documentation is required, but wouldn't I have to drag my wife to Laos as well?  Anyway, since I can meet the financial requirements for the marriage visa right now, I think it would just be better to apply for that at CW and switch to the retirement visa down the road.

 

It is not clear to me whether the 30-day stamp I have in my passport is a visa or a visa-exempt entry.  How would I know?  It's only partly legible, but I can make out "Visaclass" followed by what might be a hand-written "30."  And then the admission date and the "until" date.  CAn you identify it?

[lopburi3]

It is visa exempt - so you need to fill out TM87 to obtain non immigrant O visa.

 

Many people find obtaining visa outside Thailand easier than dealing with immigration and it would have allowed retirement extension this time (which you seemed to want).  Wife does not have to travel to Consulate for obtaining visas.

[ubonjoe]

11 hours ago, iCrane said:

Failing that, I do have a bit over 400k in my Thai bank account at the moment.  So, I can apply for a non-imm O by marriage, right?

You opened the wrong webpage for a non immigrant visa application based upon marriage to a Thai. This the correct page. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_79

You will use a TM87 form to apply for the visa.

Then during the last 45 days of the 90 day entry from the visa you can apply for an extension of stay using the TM7 form.

[iCrane]

Thanks, Joe.  Very helpful.  The application requirements for the spouse visa are linked to monks, nuns, etc., which is why I missed it.  Strange.

 

Paragraph 5.5.1 states "In case of a Thai citizen, please show:  A copy national ID card, a copy of house registration papers and a copy of employee’s or government officer’s ID card."  The first two are not a problem, but my wife is neither an employee nor a civil servant, so can't provide the third item.  That is not going to be a problem, is it?  She'll also bring her Thai passport with her in any case.

 

This could be a problem:  

 

6.3 A letter from a government office, embassy or consulate, certifying that the applicant is a member of the referred family*

 

We have the US marriage certificate, copy officially translated into Thai, amphur registration of the marriage, and tabian baan, but I haven't had to get a letter from the US consulate before and don't think I can get one before the 15-day deadline. 

 

Can I extend my visa exempt stay in order to get time to gather the documentation?  Or am I SOL here?

[lopburi3]

Try this link

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_18

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, iCrane said:

Thanks, Joe.  Very helpful.  The application requirements for the spouse visa are linked to monks, nuns, etc., which is why I missed it.  Strange.

That is an error made when they translated the page from Thai. Everything on that page is wrong. I have most of the more common one memorized. I find the correct ones by selecting the page to be in Thai and then have Google translate to change it to English.

 

9 minutes ago, iCrane said:

Paragraph 5.5.1 states "In case of a Thai citizen, please show:  A copy national ID card, a copy of house registration papers and a copy of employee’s or government officer’s ID card."  The first two are not a problem, but my wife is neither an employee nor a civil servant, so can't provide the third item.  That is not going to be a problem, is it?  She'll also bring her Thai passport with her in any case.

Just ignore that part about the government ID and etc.

9 minutes ago, iCrane said:

This could be a problem:  

 

6.3 A letter from a government office, embassy or consulate, certifying that the applicant is a member of the referred family*

 

We have the US marriage certificate, copy officially translated into Thai, amphur registration of the marriage, and tabian baan, but I haven't had to get a letter from the US consulate before and don't think I can get one before the 15-day deadline. 

Ignore 6.3 it is not required since you have a marriage certificate for that proof,

Be sure you submit a updated Kor Ror 22 to prove your foreign marriage is registered.

You will need more than what is on the list. The will want the photos and etc needed when applying for the extension of stay based upon marriage.

 

10 minutes ago, iCrane said:

Can I extend my visa exempt stay in order to get time to gather the documentation?  Or am I SOL here?

If needed you could apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife.

[ubonjoe]

11 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Try this link

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_18

He will not be doing that until later since he has to get a non-o visa entry first.

[iCrane]

10 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Try this link

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_18

Since my previous non-imm O apparently expired the day I left Thailand without a re-entry permit, I don't think I meet the first necessary qualification for "Visa Extension"

 

(1) The alien must have been granted a non-immigrant visa (NON-IM)

 

Is that correct?

[lopburi3]

That is correct in that you need to obtain the non-immigrant O visa using a TM87 first at additional cost of 2,000 baht.

[lopburi3]

The original link was wrong as 79 is only for English version but if you use link you get Thai page 79 which is different.  Software at its worst.  You have to use 80 (as link has now been changed to) to get the English version using translation.

 

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1.1 Form 86 Only foreigners who have a Tourist Visa and a Transit Visa to change their visa category or       1.2 Form 87 only for aliens who do not have a visa but are permitted to stay in the Kingdom. 15, P30, D30 and D90 for visa application.  2. Copy of Passport (Photocopy of pages with personal information, marks, visa badges, inward signs, permits to apply for a stay (if any), exit cards (m 6))  . 1 inch or 2 inch size  4. Fee 2,000 baht  5. 5.1 Thai citizens showing a copy of ID card, copy of house registration And a copy of the identification card of the employee or servant, or        5.2 in the case of a foreigner who is permitted to resideOr a person who has been naturalized by Thai citizenship Show certificate of residence, certificate of alien registration, work permits, passports and a copy of a copy, a copy of obtaining citizenship by naturalization Thailand  6. 6.1 The legal marriage in display                                           6.1.1 Registration of marriage (c. 2 )             6.1.2 Marriage certificate (            Form 3) 6.1.3 A copy of the marriage certificate of registration or alien status. (If you can not get into the office of the district had been registered) * or       6.2 cases of marriage registration abroad show  up as a family (c. 22), and marriage abroad .6.3 Certificate from government office, embassy or consular office of foreigner in Thailand or abroad That is part of the household *  * (including Article 6.1.3, 6.2 and 6.3 will be translated into English and certified by Thailand or embassies of foreigners in the country or abroad, and the Legalization Division. Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand (02-5751056-9))  7. If the husband is a foreigner. Must show evidence of income as follows:       7.1 Display the monthly income of not less than 40,000 baht certified by the embassy or consulate of the applicant in Thailand or abroad. Include proof of reference of income. *   Or      7.2. Show your bank statement in Thai in Thai. Dear Director of Immigration Bureau.A copy of the savings account or a fixed account of not less than 400,000 Baht * * (both 8.1 and 8.2 shall be the sole proprietor's name. All documents must be dated and adjusted to the same date as the date of filing.  8. Husband is a Thai citizen. Provide a work certification. (Approved by the head of the agency no more than a month).  9. Photos at the wedding ceremony. 4 family photos

note       1. In applying for Husband and wife Both sides        of the document must be submitted . 2. Documents of the applicant to each applicant to certify each page.        3. For the convenience of speedy implementation. Please bring all required documents and submit them to the competent official.        4. For more information, please contact: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th

 

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

The original link was wrong as 79 is only for English version but if you use link you get Thai page 79 which is different.  Software at its worst.  You have to use 80 (as link has now been changed to) to get the English version using translation.

Seventy nine is for marriage as shown in the following screenshot. You get the English version by clicking Eng at the top of the page.

Eighty is for retirement.

 

 

[iCrane]

When I go to 

https://www.immigration.go.th/content/service_80

 

What I get is below, which is for the non-Imm 0 retirement visa, not the spousal visa.  However, that brings up my initial request to get the retirement visa going forward.  However, as I mentioned my deadline for filing is Monday or Tuesday and I won't be able to shuffle the funds around quickly enough to bring my Thai bank account up to THB 800,000.

 

So, is it feasible for me to apply for a 60 day extension of my visa exempt status to visit my wife and during that time file for the non-imm O retirement visa once the funds have arrived in Bangkok? 

 

 

DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION FOR VISA OR VISA STATUS ALTERATION (NON-O): FOR RETIREMENT PURPOSES.

 

The application must be submitted more than 15 days before visa expiration and, in case of overstaying in Thailand, application could not be submitted.
1.1 Form TM.86 for the foreigner, who has Tourist and Transit Visa and applies for Visa Status Alteration and applies for non-immigrant visa; or
1.2 Form TM.87 for the foreigner, who enters into Thailand without visa, but is allowed to stay in Thailand with a permit of stay for a period of 15 day, 30 days, 90 days and applies for non-immigrant visa.
A copy of passport pages (for example, personal information page, last entries stamp, visa sticker and extension stamp (if any) and departure card (Form TM.6))
Either one 4x6 cm photograph or one 2 inch size photograph
Application fee of Baht 2,000
5.1 A guarantee letter from the bank in Thailand in Thai language (Attention: Immigration Commissioner)*
5.2 A copy  of all entries of the applicant’s passbook showing that the applicant has a savings or fixed deposit account  of not less than Baht 800,000* (all documents must be in the Applicant’s name). 
5.3 Evidence of foreign currency fund transferred to Thailand*
*(Documents under 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 must be issued and updated to be the same date of the Application and all documents must be in the Applicant’s name.)or
A guarantee letter from the local or overseas Embassy or Consulate, proving the monthly pension of the Applicant not less than Baht 65,000 per month (together with reference documents showing the source of said monthly pension); or
Evidence of deposited money under Clause 5 and evidence of income under Clause 6  (for one year) showing the total amount not less than Baht 800,000

[cleverman]

Everything I had to do to get my non Imm O ,next week, I hope, I will have to do all again for the retirement, correct?

[ubonjoe]

5 minutes ago, cleverman said:

Everything I had to do to get my non Imm O ,next week, I hope, I will have to do all again for the retirement, correct?

Are you applying for an extension of stay or a non immigrant visa entry. What was posted is for the visa application,

[cleverman]

48 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Are you applying for an extension of stay or a non immigrant visa entry. What was posted is for the visa application,

Extension , retirement . Been waiting 4 weeks to get back my non Imm 0. 

[iCrane]

How do I apply to extend my visa exempt stay?  Is there a form to fill out or do I just show up at Chaeng Wattana?

[ubonjoe]

53 minutes ago, iCrane said:

How do I apply to extend my visa exempt stay?  Is there a form to fill out or do I just show up at Chaeng Wattana?

You will complete a TM7 form and attach a 4 X 6 cm photo to it. Download: Fillable TM7 form.pdf

You will need copies of your passport photo page, entry stamp and TM6 departure card.

[iCrane]

21 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You will complete a TM7 form and attach a 4 X 6 cm photo to it. Download: Fillable TM7 form.pdf

You will need copies of your passport photo page, entry stamp and TM6 departure card.

My current 30 day stay expires on Nov. 21.  Can I apply for a 60 day extension immediately or do I have to wait until later in the 30 day period?  Is the fee THB 1900?

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, iCrane said:

My current 30 day stay expires on Nov. 21.  Can I apply for a 60 day extension immediately or do I have to wait until later in the 30 day period?  Is the fee THB 1900?

Sorry I wrote the requirements for a 30 day extension.

You can apply for the 60 day extension to visit your wife a couple of weeks early.

You wife will need to be with you when you apply. You will need your marriage certificate plus a copy, copies of wife's house book registry and ID card. You will need proof of residence to prove you are staying in the province where you apply.

[iCrane]

28 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Sorry I wrote the requirements for a 30 day extension.

You can apply for the 60 day extension to visit your wife a couple of weeks early.

You wife will need to be with you when you apply. You will need your marriage certificate plus a copy, copies of wife's house book registry and ID card. You will need proof of residence to prove you are staying in the province where you apply.

It is confusing that the requirements are not the same.  So, my current plan based on this information is to get an extension, either 30 day or 60 day, so that I can bring enough money over to top my bank account up to THB 800k and apply for a retirement visa.  Is that feasible?  It will take about a week to transfer the cash, so I could easily be ready within two weeks to apply for the retirement visa before hitting the 15 remaining day limit.

 

Will that work or is there some gotcha of which I am not aware?

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, iCrane said:

It is confusing that the requirements are not the same.  So, my current plan based on this information is to get an extension, either 30 day or 60 day, so that I can bring enough money over to top my bank account up to THB 800k and apply for a retirement visa.  Is that feasible?  It will take about a week to transfer the cash, so I could easily be ready within two weeks to apply for the retirement visa before hitting the 15 remaining day limit.

If the 30 day extension gives you enough time it would be easier to apply.

Just be sure you still have 15 day remaining on your entry when you apply for the visa. But best to do it with a few more days than 15 days incase you had a problem doing it.

[iCrane]

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If the 30 day extension gives you enough time it would be easier to apply.

Just be sure you still have 15 day remaining on your entry when you apply for the visa. But best to do it with a few more days than 15 days incase you had a problem doing it.

So, I still have 16 days remaining on my current visa exempt entry.  Can I wait until the last week to apply for the 30 day extension or should I do it now before I am in the last 15 day period of the current entry?

[SiamAndy]

UbonJoe,

 

I'm new to TVF. I just arrived in TL in mid October on a single entry tourist visa. I will be applying for a 90 day non immigrant O visa the day after I get the income affidavit from the American consulate in CM next week. Will immigration still accept my American bank/brokerage statements along with the income affidavit at the present time?

 

If approved for the 90 day non immigrant 0, I will then apply for the 12 month extension based upon retirement 45 days before the 90 day non immigrant O expires.

 

Thank you for any guidance that you can provide.

 

 

[lopburi3]

2 minutes ago, SiamAndy said:

Will immigration still accept my American bank/brokerage statements along with the income affidavit

Might help him answer if you are can advise if asking about combo of money in US bank and income (income below 65k per month)?  Or the statements would be backup proof of income if asked?  And which office you will be using (your location)?

[SiamAndy]

8 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

Might help him answer if you are can advise if asking about combo of money in US bank and income (income below 65k per month)?  Or the statements would be backup proof of income if asked?  And which office you will be using (your location)?

Thanks for the input Lopburi3.

 

For the application for 90 day Non Immigrant O, I will be using the Income affidavit of over the 65,000 Baht equivalent each month. The supporting documents will be American bank/brokerage statements. The location will be Chiang Mai.

 

 

[ubonjoe]

33 minutes ago, SiamAndy said:

I'm new to TVF. I just arrived in TL in mid October on a single entry tourist visa. I will be applying for a 90 day non immigrant O visa the day after I get the income affidavit from the American consulate in CM next week. Will immigration still accept my American bank/brokerage statements along with the income affidavit at the present time?

If they ask for backup proof for the affidavit I am sure they will still accept statements showing an income going into the account.