webfact Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 FBI finds no motive for Las Vegas shooting, closes probe FILE PHOTO: People leave flowers at a makeshift memorial on the Las Vegas Strip for victims of the Route 91 music festival mass shooting next to the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. October 4, 2017. REUTERS/Lucy Nicholson/File Photo (Reuters) - The FBI has found no clear motive for the killing of 58 people by a sniper firing down at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas in 2017, the agency said on Tuesday as it closed an investigation into the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. According to an FBI report, the 64-year-old gunman, Stephen Paddock, was not unlike many other mass shooters who are driven by a complex mix of issues, ranging from mental health to stress, and want to die by suicide. The report also found no evidence that any ideological or political beliefs motivated Paddock, who also wounded more than 800 in the shooting rampage on Oct. 1, 2017. "There was no single or clear motivating factor behind Paddock's attack," the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit said, echoing a report issued by Las Vegas police in August. Paddock acted alone when he planned and carried out the attack, firing more than 1,000 rounds during 11 minutes from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino. As law enforcement officers assembled in the hallway outside his hotel room, he fatally shot himself. "Throughout his life, Paddock went to great lengths to keep his thoughts private, and that extended to his final thinking about this mass murder," officials said in the report. An important aspect of the attack was Paddock's desire to die by suicide as he suffered a decline in his physical and mental health and financial status, the FBI report said. "Paddock concluded that he would seek to control the ending of his life via a suicidal act," according to the report. He wanted to attain a degree of infamy through a mass- casualty attack and was influenced by the memory of his father, a well-known criminal, the report said. Paddock displayed minimal empathy throughout his life and his decision to murder people while they were being entertained was consistent with his personality, according to the report. As was his nature, he carefully planned the attack, buying an arsenal of guns and ammunition in a year-long spree and methodically researching police tactics and site selection. Paddock even took steps to insure he could commit suicide at the time and in the manner he chose, using surveillance cameras to watch police and bringing a handgun to the room that he used to shoot himself, the report said. (Reporting by Andrew Hay in New Mexico; Editing by Peter Cooney and Michael Perry) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-01-30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDeadSenter Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I suspected it would end this way. For many people watching this horror show, the target and subsequent secrecy surrounding the investigation gave the game away. RIP to all those souls and the families that will never get due closure. Shame on Trump for not making sure all details of the investigation were released to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neeray Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 No motive. Just another NUT CASE on the lose and an endless supply of assault rifles available to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVGerry Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I don't like Mondays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I have to say there are many weird quotes on this thread already. I find that very weird in itself. I am going to guess that this topic has already been discussed on far-right / ultra-conservative forums. And it has already been decided there this is a government conspiracy. That is the only reason I can think of for the strange comments. Am I correct? I mean nothing strikes me as odd in the FBI final report. You get a country of 300 million people. You promote individualism and survivalism. You give everyone unfettered access to de facto automatic weapons. You promote a culture of glorification around guns and allow free and unregulated discussion over their most efficient use in killing civilians. It is almost guaranteed that some intelligent, non-empathetic, determined individuals will go on effective killing sprees. People do stuff simply because they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JemJem Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just like why we will MOST PROBABLY never find out why MH 370 crashed. Some things will sadly most probably always remain a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 This thread simply confirms in my mind that posters on this forum are not too dissimilar to this fellow. The scary thing is they are now living in my country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 hours ago, webfact said: FBI finds no motive for Las Vegas shooting, closes probe Should be "no CLEAR motive." Paddock didn't just walk in to his hotel room, discover weapons and on the spur of the moment decide to shoot at the crowd nearby. As the FBI apparently found no one who collaborated in any manner with Paddock's crimes and Paddock killed himself, trying to further define a motive is a waste of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Conspiracy posts removed along with replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Regardless of whether or not the FBI found a motive, I'd like to know how he managed to get that weaponry into his room without raising any eyebrows and why he was allowed to fire for 13 minutes before anyone rushed his room. It's a casino for cryin' out loud. Try and take a $1.00 chip and security are instantly on you like stink on a monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HLover Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Cereal said: Regardless of whether or not the FBI found a motive, I'd like to know how he managed to get that weaponry into his room without raising any eyebrows and why he was allowed to fire for 13 minutes before anyone rushed his room. It's a casino for cryin' out loud. Try and take a $1.00 chip and security are instantly on you like stink on a monkey. Plenty of videos about this online to soothe your curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Cereal said: Regardless of whether or not the FBI found a motive, I'd like to know how he managed to get that weaponry into his room without raising any eyebrows and why he was allowed to fire for 13 minutes before anyone rushed his room. It's a casino for cryin' out loud. Try and take a $1.00 chip and security are instantly on you like stink on a monkey. To point 1: 2nd amendment...duh! To point 2: ...and I would just hazard a guess here...no one rushes into a room, in which a madman is firing rounds and rounds of amo, without making sure it is kind of 'safe" to do that! Soooooo...he was not "allowed" to fire for several minutes- security made sure, they don't die in the attempt to wrestle a crazy person with a bunch of guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Some people are going to be disappointed with this finding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berkshire Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 23 hours ago, Briggsy said: I have to say there are many weird quotes on this thread already. I find that very weird in itself. I am going to guess that this topic has already been discussed on far-right / ultra-conservative forums. And it has already been decided there this is a government conspiracy. That is the only reason I can think of for the strange comments. Am I correct? I mean nothing strikes me as odd in the FBI final report. You get a country of 300 million people. You promote individualism and survivalism. You give everyone unfettered access to de facto automatic weapons. You promote a culture of glorification around guns and allow free and unregulated discussion over their most efficient use in killing civilians. It is almost guaranteed that some intelligent, non-empathetic, determined individuals will go on effective killing sprees. People do stuff simply because they can. Agree. Those on the far right were horribly disappointed that it was just an average white guy. They were hoping beyond hope that it was a brown foreigner, preferably someone with ties to ISIS, or perhaps an illegal immigrant. It would have fit their narrative of evil foreigners so nicely. Trump would have been on TV and twitter day and night talking about it. But no, it was basically one of their own. I guess the only solution would be to make-up some nonsensical conspiracy theory. If it lays blame on the "right people," they will believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Cereal said: Regardless of whether or not the FBI found a motive, I'd like to know how he managed to get that weaponry into his room without raising any eyebrows and why he was allowed to fire for 13 minutes before anyone rushed his room. It's a casino for cryin' out loud. Try and take a $1.00 chip and security are instantly on you like stink on a monkey. You ever seen anyone at an airport with a surfboard, golf bag or wakeboard bag? I've carried all 3 and NEVER once has the hotel I arrived at asked to check my bags. So, unless he was carrying those guns in the open - why would anyone stop him? As for 13 minutes. That is an AMAZING response time. Casino staff are low paid security guards. They aren't SWAT and even SWAT will put their safety first. Look - here's what you need to do. Put on a stopwatch and hold your breath for 13 minutes. Then think about the time from the first call to the police, to the police verifying it's not a crank call, to SWAT being engaged, to getting to the hotel, then up to that floor and into the room. 13 minutes is amazing, could have easily been 20. You still breathing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 5:47 PM, TopDeadSenter said: I suspected it would end this way. For many people watching this horror show, the target and subsequent secrecy surrounding the investigation gave the game away. RIP to all those souls and the families that will never get due closure. Shame on Trump for not making sure all details of the investigation were released to the public. Since when is it's Trumps job to do that? This is a law enforcement responsibility, not POTUS's. However, any excuse to denigrate Trump, eh? Re the OP, I smell BS, and IMO something is going on the authorities don't want exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 11:47 PM, TopDeadSenter said: I suspected it would end this way. For many people watching this horror show, the target and subsequent secrecy surrounding the investigation gave the game away. RIP to all those souls and the families that will never get due closure. Shame on Trump for not making sure all details of the investigation were released to the public. Trump does not want to establish a precedent of releasing details of an investigation to the public. It's easy to understand why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 hours ago, heybruce said: Trump does not want to establish a precedent of releasing details of an investigation to the public. It's easy to understand why. Yes. Add to this the recent prison reform changes, and how right-wing media is demanding LE should not be so rough when arresting 66 year old white guys. I would expect this incident would be taken more seriously by DT's base, there were probably a lot of MAGA types in that crowd. Quite a difference from schoolkids in Florida or Connecticut suburbanites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Well at least we know there is no level of shame too great to avoid bringing Trump into everything. The only thing that can really be said about this is sometimes a nutcase is simply a nutcase. RIP to those killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 2/2/2019 at 10:15 AM, Cryingdick said: Well at least we know there is no level of shame too great to avoid bringing Trump into everything. The only thing that can really be said about this is sometimes a nutcase is simply a nutcase. RIP to those killed. Had Trump interfered with a law enforcement case, the same people criticising him for not getting involved in something that is nothing to do with him would probably criticise him for getting involved in something that is nothing to do with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 On 2/2/2019 at 4:15 AM, Cryingdick said: Well at least we know there is no level of shame too great to avoid bringing Trump into everything. The only thing that can really be said about this is sometimes a nutcase is simply a nutcase. RIP to those killed. Don't agree with you on many things, but 100% agree with you on (the second part of) this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Had Trump interfered with a law enforcement case, the same people criticising him for not getting involved in something that is nothing to do with him would probably criticise him for getting involved in something that is nothing to do with him. Yeah...hahahaha...attacking the "left" for dragging Trump into this, by dragging Trump into this! Grrrrreat point made! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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