2 hours ago, Loiner said:

You still haven’t got it have you? They’re not Leave campaign slogans, they’re from your very own Remainer-in-chief, liar-at-large, Theresa the appeaser.
Which votes in parliament will control it? There’s nothing to vote on at the moment. She won’t come back with anything by the 14th and is looking for another couple of weeks. No sign of 27 of them voting to extend article 50. We have 46 days to go, or it’s No Deal as is already legislated for.

Keep an eye on the across-the-aisle possibilities. Sorry to disappoint the Hard Brexiteers who will get shriller as the day approaches. Maybe snatched away from them. Or not.

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

You still haven’t got it have you? They’re not Leave campaign slogans, they’re from your very own Remainer-in-chief, liar-at-large, Theresa the appeaser.

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8 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Keep an eye on the across-the-aisle possibilities. Sorry to disappoint the Hard Brexiteers who will get shriller as the day approaches. Maybe snatched away from them. Or not.

IMO it's the media and govt. who are becoming more desperate in their efforts.....

 

Hardly suprising when those looking for a genuine leave, as per the referendum, get more annoyed as they watch the fiasco unfolding towards a BRINO.....

21 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

IMO it's the media and govt. who are becoming more desperate in their efforts.....

Hardly suprising when those looking for a genuine leave, as per the referendum, get more annoyed as they watch the fiasco unfolding towards a BRINO.....

Again the Hard Brexiteer rubbish that only their formula equals "genuine leave". The broken record. And getting upset now.

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Again the Hard Brexiteer rubbish that only their formula equals "genuine leave". The broken record. And getting upset now.

Heavy sigh.

 

So genuinely leaving only equates to a "genuine leave" - and you find this suprising??!!

 

May's 'deal' - loved by the eu, is clearly brexit in name only - whilst paying 39 bn for the privilege of staying within the eu......

 

 

20 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Heavy sigh.

So genuinely leaving only equates to a "genuine leave" - and you find this suprising??!!

May's 'deal' - loved by the eu, is clearly brexit in name only - whilst paying 39 bn for the privilege of staying within the eu......

That's your opinion, not fact. "Clear" to the Brexiteers only. So "heavy sigh" away. That's the trouble with Hard Brexiteers.  Cannot follow a logical argument, and so the broken record is the best they can do.

Edited February 11, 20197 yr by SheungWan

Keep an eye on the across-the-aisle possibilities. Sorry to disappoint the Hard Brexiteers who will get shriller as the day approaches. Maybe snatched away from them. Or not.

No, I saw some of the Remainer march. Lots of shrill wails from them. And then there were the wimmin with them too. Parliament Square sounded like a girls school playground.

Leavers - now they make manly man sounds.


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2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, I saw some of the Remainer march. Lots of shrill wails from them. And then there were the wimmin with them too. Parliament Square sounded like a girls school playground.
Leavers - now they make manly man sounds.

Grow up.

Edited February 11, 20197 yr by SheungWan

Grow up.

If you don’t like it, don’t engage and don’t sneer from the sidelines.
When your pair have dropped and you can grow a beard you might understand. Until then you’re still a Remain soprano.


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4 hours ago, Loiner said:

No, I saw some of the Remainer march. Lots of shrill wails from them. And then there were the wimmin with them too. Parliament Square sounded like a girls school playground.
Leavers - now they make manly man sounds.

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

If you don’t like it, don’t engage and don’t sneer from the sidelines.
When your pair have dropped and you can grow a beard you might understand. Until then you’re still a Remain soprano.

Well if it isn't racism its down and out sexism. Once the Hard Brexiteers start running around like headless chickens that's what you get.

11 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Heavy sigh.

 

So genuinely leaving only equates to a "genuine leave" - and you find this suprising??!!

 

May's 'deal' - loved by the eu, is clearly brexit in name only - whilst paying 39 bn for the privilege of staying within the eu......

 

 

You only voted to end EU membership. Never for what happens after that. Campaign for another referendum if you wanna have a say on that as well. (Just make sure this time it’s (a) binding and (b) not being manipulated so there is some buyin). 

11 hours ago, Loiner said:

No, I saw some of the Remainer march. Lots of shrill wails from them. And then there were the wimmin with them too. Parliament Square sounded like a girls school playground.

Leavers - now they make manly man sounds.


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Well if it isn't racism its down and out sexism. Once the Hard Brexiteers start running around like headless chickens that's what you get.

Any more ‘ist’ insults you like to throw? Try piss-artist and I might bite.


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20 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

You only voted to end EU membership. Never for what happens after that. Campaign for another referendum if you wanna have a say on that as well. (Just make sure this time it’s (a) binding and (b) not being manipulated so there is some buyin). 

Yes, voting to leave the E.U meant LEAVING the E.U completely , not half leaving the E.U with any agreements .

  Leave , as in not part of it anymore

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, voting to leave the E.U meant LEAVING the E.U completely , not half leaving the E.U with any agreements .

  Leave , as in not part of it anymore

No. That's your meaning, notwithstanding liberal use of the caps button. It is Parliament which will decide, not the Hard Brexiteer nutters outside waving their placards.

5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, voting to leave the E.U meant LEAVING the E.U completely , not half leaving the E.U with any agreements .

  Leave , as in not part of it anymore

No, only to end EU membership, there was never any vote that would forbid the UK to have agreements with the EU post that. 

Sinn Fein leader on GMB this morning (I'm no fan!):

 

Has the UK formulated anything yet?

24 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Has the UK formulated anything yet?

according to what I have read in MSM

May will pop over to Brussels this week with new proposals.

 

(UK Brexit minister was in Brussels yesterday discussing with Barnier.)

 

52 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Has the UK formulated anything yet?

Yes, that was exactly also my question. More than 'a few days' have passed.

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by stevenl

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Has the UK formulated anything yet?

I expect May and MPs intend to keep kicking the can down the road in the hope that 'something' will happen that will save their skins at the next election.....

59 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

according to what I have read in MSM

May will pop over to Brussels this week with new proposals.

 

(UK Brexit minister was in Brussels yesterday discussing with Barnier.)

 

Pretty pointless as the eu have made it very clear that they will not re-negotiate ????.

 

On the other hand, they are apparently happy to prolong the extension period beyond the 30 March, even though there cannot be any point in doing so as they are not prepared to negotiate!

 

Edit - There is something very wrong with this scenario.....

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by dick dasterdly

2 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Pretty pointless as the eu have made it very clear that they will not re-negotiate ????.

 

On the other hand, they are apparently happy to prolong the extension period beyond the 30 March, even though there cannot be any point in doing so as they are not prepared to negotiate!

The very clear point of delay is to give the British government more time to get itself out of the mess it’s in.

 

The negotiations are over, its time for the British Government to come clean and explain to the public and business community exactly what the deal is and what it will mean to their lives/businesses.

 

The EU are not preventing the British Government from making the decisions that they, the British Government, need to make.

 

If the Government can’t decide, put it back to the electorate.

11 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Pretty pointless as the eu have made it very clear that they will not re-negotiate ????.

 

On the other hand, they are apparently happy to prolong the extension period beyond the 30 March, even though there cannot be any point in doing so as they are not prepared to negotiate!

 

Edit - There is something very wrong with this scenario.....

As long as the UK doesn't know what is wants, quite a few years after the decision, it makes sense to postpone.

18 minutes ago, stevenl said:

As long as the UK doesn't know what is wants, quite a few years after the decision, it makes sense to postpone.

Theresa May has said that she is still holding to the March 30 deadline, so unless something can be cobbled together before then, we are heading for the buffers unless Parliament takes over and a cross-Party consensus is imposed.......

42 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

I expect May and MPs intend to keep kicking the can down the road in the hope that 'something' will happen that will save their skins at the next election.....

I thought May had already gone public with her plan

to not lead Tory at the next planned GE.

 

41 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Pretty pointless as the eu have made it very clear that they will not re-negotiate ????.

 

On the other hand, they are apparently happy to prolong the extension period beyond the 30 March, even though there cannot be any point in doing so as they are not prepared to negotiate!

 

Edit - There is something very wrong with this scenario.....

dunno what May is up,

hoping for miracles as she fiddles red lines and Backstop texts

or just spending time hoping for a situation next month when she can

press parliament to accept her shot down deal

 

having said that, in multilateral talks it is not uncommon that it loosens

during the 11th hour when things look triple dark

to expect win win would be too much, but maybe ok ok

 

19 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

dunno what May is up,

hoping for miracles as she fiddles red lines and Backstop texts

or just spending time hoping for a situation next month when she can

press parliament to accept her shot down deal

 

having said that, in multilateral talks it is not uncommon that it loosens

during the 11th hour when things look triple dark

to expect win win would be too much, but maybe ok ok

 

Agree about May hoping for a miracle....

 

"in multilateral talks it is not uncommon that it loosens during the 11th hour"

 

Agree with this too, but as May is entirely happy with her and the eu's deal - and the eu is saying that there can be no change to the deal  - any changes are likely to be extremely minimal, in the hope that MPs can 'sell' this as a 'victory' ???? to the electorate.....

 

Genuine negotiation never even started, as May immediately agreed to the eu's negotiating list agenda......  And talks about trade were at the very bottom of that list, whilst money to be paid to the eu was at the very top.....  Edit - Whilst at the time, May was declaring that "no deal was better than a bad deal" ????.

 

Even NOW, we have no idea as to how the 39bn has been calculated.

 

Edit - There's nothing "ok ok" about the agreed deal - it's everything the eu wanted.....

Edited February 19, 20197 yr by dick dasterdly

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

As long as the UK doesn't know what is wants, quite a few years after the decision, it makes sense to postpone.

The U.K population does know what they want. As shown in the Democratic people’s vote of 2016, when over 17,000,000 declared they wanted out of this so called union, this of course was in the largest vote in U.K history, they then followed up by again Democratically voting by 85% for parties that stood on a manefesto, to implement the referendum vote at the 2017 General Elevtion.

The problem is, the majority of the M.P’s have no respect for the very people they are supposed to represent. In fact many of them are going against the expressed wishes of their electorate. Therefore we now have a situation of the people versus Westminster.

 

 

On 2/1/2019 at 6:21 PM, thequietman said:

No, is isn't!

 

Ireland is Ireland is Ireland. There is the north of Ireland and the south of Ireland. The fact that the British government took it by force is neither here nor there.

 

Ireland is Ireland is Ireland.

Give Ireland back to the Irish. Paul McCartney song in the early seventies. (Banned by England)

Simple solution to the issue and a correction of a horrendous act by England.

So it has been more than a few days now. So?