evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Hi All, Can any of you 'Techies' please help with a problem I raised on a separate board? Thank you. Edited February 25, 2019 by evadgib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Usually a print function of PDF reader (which one do you use?) is capable to print only a selected range of pages and to adapt to print borders. In the case of the NI83 it's pages 41 to 42 of the complete document. Have you tried? Still annoying: the form then comes out "small"/"thin" with large borders. (but complete) Strange form design assuming it is meant to be printed in A4. Do you have other paper formats in the UK? I attach a photo of the printout that I made. Edited February 25, 2019 by KhunBENQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) BTW, I am confused what the CF83 is? Only found this NI38. And it's obvious that these pages 41 and 42 do not fill an A4 page properly. See the screenshot of a minimized view. On top page 40 followed by the slim form. Edited February 25, 2019 by KhunBENQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Thanks KhunBenq, CF83 is the two page portion (marked CF83 at the bottom) that needs to be completed by hand and returned to HMRC. If I haven't cracked it by the time my kids come home from school they might have some ideas. Your earlier suggestion is something I tried earlier & have just done so again but it didn't make any difference. Edited February 25, 2019 by evadgib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 4 hours ago, KhunBENQ said: BTW, I am confused what the CF83 is? Only found this NI38. And it's obvious that these pages 41 and 42 do not fill an A4 page properly. CF83 is attached to NI38. It's true that the format of CF83 is totally non-standard. It seems to be a typical HMRC bodge-up. I think the trick will be to hit Ctrl-P to bring up the print dialogue box, enter 41-42 in the pages box, and tick the box just underneath which says "shrink oversized pages". It wont be perfect but it should fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, KittenKong said: CF83 is attached to NI38. It's true that the format of CF83 is totally non-standard. It seems to be a typical HMRC bodge-up. I think the trick will be to hit Ctrl-P to bring up the print dialogue box, enter 41-42 in the pages box, and tick the box just underneath which says "shrink oversized pages". It wont be perfect but it should fit. Thanks. I tried several times but that option hasn't appeared. Edited February 25, 2019 by evadgib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) Look under "more settings". It may not be there in a browser window though. Edit: actually it tells you to use Ctrl-Shift-P to bring up the system print box, where you should find the option. Edited February 25, 2019 by KittenKong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Or just print this one. NI38 - Copy.pdf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) <deleted post-I spoke too soon as mine is STILL wrong lol> Edited February 25, 2019 by evadgib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenKong Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 The file I uploaded prints properly, doesnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, KittenKong said: Or just print this one. NI38 - Copy.pdf 217.63 kB · 0 downloads Thanks KK but the boxes come out too small to be completed by hand which is where I ended up earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, KittenKong said: The file I uploaded prints properly, doesnt it? Unfortunately not. It fits on the page but is too small to be completed by hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) You are using the built in PDF viewer of the browser. Nice but often crippled/limited. I hate it and do the best to disable it. Download the form(!) (right click, .. download) and open it with a dedicated PDF viewer (Adobe Reader, FoxIt Reader etc. etc.). I use FoxItReader and there the print dialog would look like this: (print preview on the left) Edited February 25, 2019 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, evadgib said: Unfortunately not. It fits on the page but is too small to be completed by hand. Is it smaller than the photo of the A4 page printout that I showed in post #2? This is small, but no better chance. Sharp pen and a quiet hand required. Edited February 25, 2019 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 hour ago, KittenKong said: Or just print this one. NI38 - Copy.pdf 217.63 kB · 5 downloads Looks good to me. A PDF of the form shrinked to A4. Again: download and print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 1 minute ago, KhunBENQ said: Is it smaller than the photo of the A4 page printout that I showed in post #2? Yes, Column 21 is missing from one page & the direct debit column from the other. I've been trying to solve this all day and have just emailed HMRC requesting an alternate format that can ideally be completed electronically (less signature) as they're unlikely to be able to read my handwriting. Another option might be to try F1 sized paper tomorrow (used for legal docs here) but this shouldn't be necessary as HMRC should be using A4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I am afraid you can not follow the advice given by KittenKong and me. Even with the built in PDF reader of Chrome (that you use) there is a "Fit to page" option under "More Settings" as KK suggested. See attached screen shot. Please reread and try again. I am running out of ideas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, KhunBENQ said: I am afraid you can not follow the advice given by KittenKong and me. Even with the built in PDF reader of Chrome (that you use) there is a "Fit to page" option under "More Settings" as KK suggested. See attached screen shot. Please reread and try again. I am running out of ideas. Thanks KhunBenq; I have installed the reader and am pleased to confirm that I now have the form. If HMRC come back overnight with one I can fill in electronically that'll be even better 'cos my handwriting looks like Rolf Harris has been at it with a 4" paint brush but I guess that's another matter. I'm looking forward to getting the completed form posted tomorrow and forgetting about it. Thanks to everyone who replied. Edited February 25, 2019 by evadgib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donim Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Maybe an idea. Take the file to a Printshop, ask them to print it on A3, shrunk to fit the up and bottom border, with a marigin, Keeping the ratio. Then cut the excess paper. Then you could get the form that it supossed to be. Rgds, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted March 1, 2019 Author Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, donim said: Maybe an idea. Take the file to a Printshop, ask them to print it on A3, shrunk to fit the up and bottom border, with a marigin, Keeping the ratio. Then cut the excess paper. Then you could get the form that it supossed to be. Rgds, Thanks. I sent it yesterday so lets see what HMRC make of it in a month or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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