Boris Johnson says PM May's Brexit deal is 'dead': Evening Standard newspaper

[Kieran00001]

41 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Will that be after you learn how to do percentage calculations? It was the majority choice.
Maybe that’s why you think trade deal negotiations are also too difficult.

 

72.2% of the voting aged populous voted in the referendum. 

51.9% of voters chose Leave. 

72.2 x 0.519 = 37.4%

62.5% of British voters did not vote Leave, a very clear majority.

 

If trade deals are easy to negotiate, why haven't we managed to negotiate any of substance?

[evadgib]

14 minutes ago, Basil B said:

So how many million on this march???

They'll dwarf the 312-400k masquerading as a million last week on the losers march.

Edited March 29, 2019 by evadgib

[malagateddy]

I'm not interested re JRM or the rest of them.
I voted LEAVE as I do not want the UK to hand over its sovereignty to unelected beurocrats who sre hell bent on achieving their aim ie
A united states of europe.
Also..my home city Glasgow has been going downhill gor the last 20 or so years due to immigrants from eastern eu countries and islsmic countries..many of them illegals who are involved in scummy organised crime.
Rg..child prostitution.
People trafficking..heavy drugs etc.

I'm still trying to find a leaver who can explain how Britain will benefit from leaving? So far I just got replies like "we want our own rule, do our own trade deals, fishing etc." Days of the Empire are over, British fishing industry will not go back to a guy with a boat, how many deals has Fox organised: Liechtenstein, Israel, may be Cuba, and 4 other countries of no great consequence. What is going to change as EU rules were integrated into British regulations  trade rules etc? These are there to stay otherwise you can't trade with the outside world.
This presently ongoing Brexit circus is not going to convince the world that Britain will be a reliable trading partner. 
Btw I'm not a Brit and I'm not an EU fanatic but ppl should look at reality. Why did Rees Mogg move his company out of Britain and to an EU country?

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[geoffbezoz]

1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

I'm not interested re JRM or the rest of them.
I voted LEAVE as I do not want the UK to hand over its sovereignty to unelected beurocrats who sre hell bent on achieving their aim ie
A united states of europe.
Also..my home city Glasgow has been going downhill gor the last 20 or so years due to immigrants from eastern eu countries and islsmic countries..many of them illegals who are involved in scummy organised crime.
Rg..child prostitution.
People trafficking..heavy drugs etc.

 

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More to the point, even after the Panama Papers why is it the British Tory government are sheltering members of their party whom are hiding their wealth, something that the EU is about to act upon. No wonder the Tories/Leave  fanatics are scared that the UK will not leave the EU after all.

[sammieuk1]

Boris Fawkes is back with a new box of matches????

[Nigel Garvie]

12 minutes ago, Basil B said:

Given that she will almost certainly be defeated today, I think we need to look at the indicative vote options again.

One thing that was said by many Tory MP's they only voted against...

So if you take in to account the fact that many abstainers may well vote in favor of a number of options my prediction is Mondays Indicative debate/vote may well see Ken Clarks Customs Union option and maybe the Common Market 2.0 put to a referendum, with Revoke.  

I am strongly pro European, and have been against anything other than Remain all along. However if there is no willingness to compromise on all sides we will drown in a cesspit of our own inflexibility, as May is currently doing. Your post BB is sound, and Ken Clark is a highly experienced politician (And a real human - he actually has other interests) who is prepared to compromise. Common market 2 is not a pill that is too bitter to be swallowed. No deal Brexit - unless by accident - is surely dead, the votes against it have been overwhelming. However with the matter residing in the HoC featured below, anything could happen.

[Kieran00001]

12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They'll dwarf the 312-400k masquerading as a million last week on the losers march.

 

Good luck chaps.

 

Here's a reminder of what you're aiming to beat.

[Kieran00001]

11 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

I'm not interested re JRM or the rest of them.
I voted LEAVE as I do not want the UK to hand over its sovereignty to unelected beurocrats who sre hell bent on achieving their aim ie
A united states of europe.
Also..my home city Glasgow has been going downhill gor the last 20 or so years due to immigrants from eastern eu countries and islsmic countries..many of them illegals who are involved in scummy organised crime.
Rg..child prostitution.
People trafficking..heavy drugs etc.

 

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Are you actually trying to convince us that Glasgow's hard drug problem is not only new but also in some way linked to immigration?  Pull the other one, its been over ridden with smack my whole life.

 

[Loiner]

 
72.2% of the voting aged populous voted in the referendum. 
51.9% of voters chose Leave. 
72.2 x 0.519 = 37.4%
62.5% of British voters did not vote Leave, a very clear majority.
 
If trade deals are easy to negotiate, why haven't we managed to negotiate any of substance?

Only 48.1% voted Remain.
72.2 x 0.481 = 34.7%
65.3% did not vote Remain. An even bigger majority for LEAVE. Why do you people keep churning your nonsense out?

[Basil B]

31 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They'll dwarf the 312-400k masquerading as a million last week on the losers march.

About time you visited earth to get a reality check...

[Kieran00001]

31 minutes ago, evadgib said:

They'll dwarf the 312-400k masquerading as a million last week on the losers march.

 

Yeah, I heard that some of them marched like three times.

[Basil B]

28 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

and Ken Clark is a highly experienced politician (And a real human - he actually has other interests) who is prepared to compromise.

I was going to say he also has a lot of experience in the cabinet office, more than a lot of the present incumbents combined.

 

K.C. 4 P.M.???

Edited March 29, 2019 by Basil B

[evadgib]

Lets look again tomorrow.

[Basil B]

Just now, evadgib said:

Lets look again tomorrow.

Pickfords van in Downing St...

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

Yeah, I heard that some of them marched like three times.

Apparently Jacob Rees-Mogg signed the anti-Brexit petition 8,000 times and Idi Amin 700 times.  I don't have the figures for Osama bin Laden (Source: column in this week's Spectator)

[Kieran00001]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Only 48.1% voted Remain.
72.2 x 0.481 = 34.7%
65.3% did not vote Remain. An even bigger majority for LEAVE. Why do you people keep churning your nonsense out?

 

No, that was not what we were talking about, we were talking about Leave supporters claiming to have a majority opinion, a claim that doesn't stand up to the most basic of scrutiny, 2/3 of the populous either support Remain or do not give a damn, 2/3 of the populous do not support their agenda, 2/3 of the populous will not be crying when Brexit is cancelled, get that one through your head, Leave is a minority opinion.

[Kieran00001]

4 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Apparently Jacob Rees-Mogg signed the anti-Brexit petition 8,000 times and Idi Amin 700 times.  I don't have the figures for Osama bin Laden (Source: column in this week's Spectator)

 

I liked that article, and I suspect they were correct in their assumption that it is most likely that the fake names are added by Leave supporters attempting to discredit the petition.

[Spidey]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

The Zombie Deal will be voted on today, without the Political Declaration. Looks like it will be a closer vote than its’ previous two killings but will still be downed by about 20 votes minimum.
What next? Time for the Remainers to accept that they cannot overturn the will of the masses. Leave No Deal.


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Unfortunately for you, the real work begins on Monday. The indicative vote, yesterday, clearly showed that there are at least 2 front runners that may gain a majority in Parliament. No deal isn't even on the menu.

 

It's likely that a combination of the front runners will be successful. A referendum combined with either May's deal or Ken Clark's customs union, which has the advantage of doing away with the need for a backstop (DUP happy) and causing less havoc to British business during the transition.

 

So there you have it, Referendum on revoke article 50 or remain in the customs union. Up to you.

[Basil B]

14 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

I liked that article, and I suspect they were correct in their assumption that it is most likely that the fake names are added by Leave supporters attempting to discredit the petition.

I seem to recall Laughing G claiming somewhere to have voted at least 3 times and we all know he is not a remainer...

[ThaiBunny]

6 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I seem to recall Laughing G claiming somewhere to have voted at least 3 times and we all know he is not a remainer...

Maybe he was thinking of the Thai electoral system

[Basil B]

1 minute ago, ThaiBunny said:

Maybe he was thinking of the Thai electoral system

Well I assume he got paid each time, does he have a WP, I thought it was an occupation reserved for Thai's??? ????

[tlandtday]

Exactly as I have figured.  Let the people vote and if you don't like the result you simply negate Brexit.  Keep voting until it is defeated.  The elites win again. 

 

 

[natway09]

One big mess & the Brits unable to stop fighting among  themselves

The House of Commons looks like a zoo

[Jonnapat]

Johnson seems to be edging closer and closer to being the next PM.

May God help us all.

[Basil B]

Every time I look at anything on Banggood today, prices in anything but £GBP.????

[Basil B]

3 minutes ago, natway09 said:

One big mess & the Brits unable to stop fighting among  themselves

The House of Commons looks like a zoo

It is...

[Spidey]

6 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

Exactly as I have figured.  Let the people vote and if you don't like the result you simply negate Brexit.  Keep voting until it is defeated.  The elites win again. 

 

 

Nope. Won't be the same questions on the referendum. You, in your infinite wisdom, charged the government with leaving the EU, no strings attached and financially beneficial to the UK. 

 

Theresa May, after 3 years of negotiations, came up with a deal that was acceptable to the EU (they always had the right to the final say). Now the government can't agree on that deal or any other method of exit.

 

You will be given the right to vote on whether to accept that deal or scrap the whole thing. That's democracy.

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

Johnson seems to be edging closer and closer to being the next PM.

May God help us all.

He's been the PM elect since Cameron resigned.

[mfd101]

3 hours ago, Kieran00001 said:

37.2% voted to leave, it was a minority choise as they are about to find out.

If I were a Brit, I would be a Remainer, but - as has been made clear on many many occasions in just about every democracy in the world - if you don't vote, not only do you not count but you don't get counted.

[Basil B]

57 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Unfortunately for you, the real work begins on Monday. The indicative vote, yesterday, clearly showed that there are at least 2 front runners that may gain a majority in Parliament. No deal isn't even on the menu.

 

It's likely that a combination of the front runners will be successful. A referendum combined with either May's deal or Ken Clark's customs union, which has the advantage of doing away with the need for a backstop (DUP happy) and causing less havoc to British business during the transition.

 

So there you have it, Referendum on revoke article 50 or remain in the customs union. Up to you.

Just done some calculations based Wednesdays Indicative vote.

Based on the fact that many only voted against what the they did not want.

Factored in those who do not vote: Speaker 1, Deputy Speakers 3, Tellers 4, Sian Fann 7, Vacant seat 1, there were 634 MP's who voted less any paired or absentes.

so I have calculated the following:

How MPs voted
	For	Against	Abstainers	For + Abstainers
Customs union	264	272	98	362	Above 317
Common Market 2.0	188	283	163	351
Revoking Article 50 to avoid no deal	184	293	157	341
Confirmatory referendum	268	295	71	339
Labour's Brexit plan	237	307	90	327
EFTA and EEA membership	65	377	192	257	Bellow 317
No-deal exit on 12 April	160	400	74	234
Malthouse Plan B	139	422	73	212