Popular Post Sticky Wicket Posted July 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2019 Just had an email containing a link to this petition. Feel free to sign it if you wish. http://reform-thai-immigration.com/ 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ettcuk Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) Worth a try... But I doubt it'll have any impact whatsoever. The TM30 flaws are obvious - we all know everything about it is utterly ridiculous - and if there was any motivation to change it, they probably wouldn't have recently started strictly enforcing it in the first place. Also, I'm not sure how it reads in Thai, but I wasn't overly confident with the English plea - the grammar, wording and specifics mentioned. We might call ourselves expats, but actually, we're immigrants - and the group of immigrants who call themselves expats are tiny in comparison to the millions of tourists who visit each year and stay in hotels (where the TM30 annoyance should be deferred to the hotel). But all that said, I'd really love to be proved wrong. Edited July 28, 2019 by ettcuk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Good Luck! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zydeco Posted July 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2019 You know even the TM 30 wouldn't be a problem if you didn't need the damn password. If you could go online, fill out the form, and have it processed like the 90 day, then this wouldn't be the disaster it is. So why the damn password to access the form? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KiChakayan Posted July 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) I'd petition for the full and effective, automation of all processes concerning Non Resident visas and their subsequent extensions. Edited July 28, 2019 by KiChakayan 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jackdd Posted July 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said: Just had an email containing a link to this petition. Feel free to sign it if you wish. http://reform-thai-immigration.com/ At first the makers of this petition should get their facts straight, they could start by reading the laws which they are referencing, this would make it look way better and would offer a higher chance of success. Edited July 28, 2019 by jackdd 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post elviajero Posted July 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) There is so much that needs reforming. TM.30 reporting is hardly top of the list. And the petitioner should know that Section 37. 3&4 (staying in another province - TM.28) are not enforced for visitors given permission to stay under section 34, which is every tourist and expat. Edited July 28, 2019 by elviajero 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 It’ll prolly just rile the immigration department to the point of them enforcing it even more.... you know how belligerent they can be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJAS Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, elviajero said: There is so much that needs reforming. TM.30 reporting is hardly top of the list. Agreed. Thai immigration procedures are currently based on an Immigration Act that's now 40 years old. How many of our home countries still work on the basis of such ancient primary legislation? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnnyBKK Posted July 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 28, 2019 What you actually need is a petition to get the passwords to do the tm30, as one wouldn't need to miss a day of work to report at the immigration if the website worked as it's supposed to. Registered one month ago and still no password for me. And of course I refuse to lose a day of my life to do an in person report at the immigration. Online or nothing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 50 minutes ago, elviajero said: There is so much that needs reforming. TM.30 reporting is hardly top of the list. And the petitioner should know that Section 37. 3&4 (staying in another province - TM.28) are not enforced for visitors given permission to stay under section 34, which is every tourist and expat. It is if you then go to immigration for an extension, which all expats and many tourists do. Travel to another province tomorrow, dont report, then go visit immigration for an extension and see if its not enforced. Every tourist is by default a new arrival to a province . Edited July 28, 2019 by Peterw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elviajero Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: It is if you then go to immigration for an extension, which all expats and many tourists do. Travel to another province tomorrow, dont report, then go visit immigration for an extension and see if its not enforced. It’s not. You're confusing TM.30 with TM.28 reporting. It is TM.30 reports they are enforcing for extensions. TM.28 reports are only required if you change your permanent address. The biggest problem is that people don’t know or understand the laws/rules they’re complaining about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terek Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 signed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, elviajero said: It’s not. You're confusing TM.30 with TM.28 reporting. It is TM.30 reports they are enforcing for extensions. TM.28 reports are only required if you change your permanent address. The biggest problem is that people don’t know or understand the laws/rules they’re complaining about. The petition doesn't make any mention of TM28. Why even mention that TM28 is not enforced, its irrelevant to a petition about TM30 enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Peterw42 said: The petition doesn't make any mention of TM28. Why even mention that TM28 is not enforced, its irrelevant to a petition about TM30 enforcement. Probably because in the description they write Quote Under Article 37, any foreigner residing in Thailand who visits another province for more than 24 hours must report to immigration. Article 37 = TM28 Edited July 28, 2019 by jackdd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattaya46 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 "A representative group of expats from across Thailand wishes to respectfully petition the Thai government on the question of immigration law and enforcement practices. //" Which representative group of expats ?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said: "A representative group of expats from across Thailand wishes to respectfully petition the Thai government on the question of immigration law and enforcement practices. //" Which representative group of expats ?? The people who sign the petition are the representative group 1st paragraph of the petition. We are a representative group of foreign and Thai people living in Thailand with Thai spouses or partners and Thai children. We work here, contribute to the community and the economy of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mngmn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, lemonjelly said: It’ll prolly just rile the immigration department to the point of them enforcing it even more.... you know how belligerent they can be. Agree. That would be my predicted response for any Thai when publically challenged and made to lose face. Much better to petition your own government for diplomatic approach to Thai government. Not that would do much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 hours ago, KiChakayan said: I'd petition for the full and effective, automation of all processes concerning Non Resident visas and their subsequent extensions. Yes, by all means. Go ahaead and do that then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterw42 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Its getting a lot of signatures, 30-40 in the last 20 mins I have been looking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 It's horribly written. I won't sign it. Sorry. Good luck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phuketrichard Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 wont get my signature on anything complaining abut the system in Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cerox Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) I will not sign. Just puts negative remarks on my immigration history. This petition will just make them angry. Honestly, let me get this straight. You are a guest in this country, you are a temporary tourist or a retirement / married guest (whatever visa, does not matter) and you want to "demand" something? Edited July 28, 2019 by cerox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkv Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Their response will be to send the smart van at your residences for a little "educational Thainess readjustment" chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Richard Barrow just put it out in his Twitter: http://www.richardbarrow.com/2019/07/sign-the-petition-to-reform-thai-immigration-and-article-37/ I wish the op had make a better title for this topic so more people will read it. Maybe still not too late to change? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpanishExpat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 No way i‘d sign that with my real name. If it really gets to 10k don’t be surprised, if some underpaid slave double-checks the names. IMO In a few months the government will have anyway much bigger problems to deal with than expat issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Fairfield Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Topic now covered in news forum Please continue the discussion here: https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1114466-expat-group-launches-online-petition-calling-for-tm30-to-be-scrapped/ Apologies for any inconvenience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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