Thai Fiancée Id And Passport Revoked

[jagged]

I have taken it upon myself to try and help my best friend with his problem.

If I have gone about this in the wrong way then I appologies, but desperation and watching my best friend's desperation to get this sorted, just to find another obsticle.

My friend has been living in Thailand and met his partner in Thailand who he has been with for 2 years.

They have a 5 month old daughter.

His Thai Fiancée whom he wishes to marry in England has had her ID/Passport revoked.

My understanding for this was to do with an official from her district being found guilty of corruption a while ago.

The new official/government took the step of canceling ALL ID's issued from that office over a certain period of time due to the possibility of the ID being obtained illegally.

I believe this resulted in a thousand or so being revoked.

My friends Fiancée obtained her ID legitimately but has fallen fowl of the previous Amphour indiscretions.

My friend who is a British Citizen had to leave the Kingdom of Thailand due to the new passport rules and will soon be able to return on a O visa to see his baby daughter.

His daughter does have a Thai Birth certificate with his name on it. His daughter was born in August 2006.

They did try to see the official from his Fiancée's original town to get her ID renewed allowing them to marry in Thailand and then they planned to come England to Marry and live together.

The official told them that there was nothing he could do and just to go away and "Live Quietly"

Whilst my friends Fiancée was making further inquiries in Thailand about leaving the Kingdom with there baby and coming to England she was informed that her Passport had now been suspended.

I am watching my best friend becoming very depressed. All he wants is to have his family back together here in England.

At present he is arranging to go back to Thailand when he has been out of the Kingdom for 90 days.

What can they do to get her ID and Passport reinstated.

I just see two people who love one another who have a beautiful daughter who want to Marry and be together as a family in England.

He is financially secure to support the three of them and would not require any hand-outs.

In fact he is nearly 40 years old and he has never claimed any kind of benefit available in England, even when he was entitled too.

He could have just come back to England and forget about them with no repercussions. The fact is he loves them both and can give his Fiancée and baby daughter a better way of life in England.

His Fiancée loves her Kingdom but she wants to put there daughter first and as my friend has a home and finance in England where he will be able to work and support them all.

They are not asking anything of the Thai Kingdom, just there blessing to be together as a family.

We have tried emailing several different establishments but all that seems to happen is they get passed onto the Visa section and he does not end up any the wiser.

They Plan to marry in England.

My friend has his own home and some savings.

His future wife can speak English

She is not working at present as she is looking after there daughter.

They have been living together in Thailand for two years.

They have a 5 month old child

They love one another.

If anyone has any idea's I would be very greatful for your input

jagged ( Dave )

[topdjdel]

Wow,what a story.

Where is your freinds fiancee from(province in Thailand)

I thought all thai nationals must have an id card,if its been revoked then i assume its logged on computer.

I think before anyone can help(I hope someone/people will be able to) please find out as much information as you can and DONT HOLD BACK on anything.

Being linked to or even involved with corruption in the Kingdom well Im just trying to imagine.

Has your friend contacted the British Embassy,may sound daft but afterall he his british and in a dilema with a small child.

What a horrible thought,cannot seem to think straight at the moment after reading this.

I wish them all the luck in the world.

Sorry

delboy

[Mahout Angrit]

At present he is arranging to go back to Thailand when he has been out of the Kingdom for 90 days.

Why is he waiting for 90 days? He can apply for a Multi entry Non Imm O visa at any Thai consulate in Uk with the reason "to visit family" as he is named on the childs birth certificate. He can return immediately, no need to wait for 90 days and it will give him 15 months in Thailand by doing just 4 visa runs. Hopefully time to sort the ugly mess out.

I would suggest you post a shortened version of the corruption story and the revoking of the ID and passport on the Thai visas forum (mods wont allow a double posting) as it really is a Thai legal problem and a lawyer may pick u the problem and give advice.

Edited March 21, 2007 by Mahout Angrit

[samran]

there have been reports in the press about this type of happening. They don't happen to live up near the Burmese border do they?

Does your friends wife have her birth certificate? It states in no uncertain terms that she is Thai. If this can be backed up by her parents being Thai, then that might be a start, as those born to at least one Thai parent on Thai soil is automatically a Thai national as well.

School records, university records, previous ID cards, house registrations - anything preeceeding the issuance of the dodgy ID card would help.

[Thai-Spy]

Indeed, to get to the bottom of this, it's going to take more information. Please find out precisely where the ID was issued and when it was issued. Also, was it her first ID card?

I thought all thai nationals must have an id card,if its been revoked then i assume its logged on computer.

Yes, the girl in question does still have a national identity file. Thai identity cards have a maximum life of 7 years and then must be renewed. Unless they took the extraordinary step of removing her entire record based on a fraudulent registration of her birth (nearly unheard of) there's still a record.

Edited March 21, 2007 by Thai-Spy

[jagged]

Just overwhelmed that people have taken the time to reply so quickly. !!

I will get more information from my friend.

At present all I know that when he left Thailand he had overstayed by 7 days but he had paid extra and acquired the correct documentation to stay the extra 7 days; but an official made a big song and dance about the extra 7 days and even marked something on his passport, although he had done it correctly almost costing 30 pounds extra for the 7 days. The official told him that he could not return for 97 days; but I guess they where unaware that he has a child.

He has a birth certificate for his daughter naming him as the father.

I believe they visited the village she grew up in to see if they could get some form of documentation to allow them to marry but the elder told them this was not possible.

Until I speak with my friend the details are a bit sketchy.

Thank you

Jagged

Edited March 21, 2007 by jagged

[Mahout Angrit]

At present all I know that when he left Thailand he had overstayed by 7 days but he had paid extra and acquired the correct documentation to stay the extra 7 days; but an official made a big song and dance about the extra 7 days and even marked something on his passport, although he had done it correctly almost costing 30 pounds extra for the 7 days. The official told him that he could not return for 97 days; but I guess they where unaware that he has a child.

An overstay will attract a fine of B500 per day so £30 is about right. If he was in Thailand on 30 day visa free stamps on arrival and had been there for 90 days on those stamps he would not be allowed to return for 90 days but if he obtains a visa the restriction does not apply. He can apply for a visa at any Thai consulate in UK and it should be processed in days.

[jagged]

I have taken it upon myself to try and help my best friend with his problem.

It was suggested on the forum to post revised info here.

My friend has been lived in Thailand with his partner for 2 years.

They have a 5 month old daughter.

Fiancée is Akha Hill Tribe. Has lived in Thailand from infant.

His Fiancée whom he wishes to marry in England has had her ID/Passport revoked.

Understanding for this was to do with an official from her district ( Mae Taeng ) being found guilty of corruption 2 years ago.

New official took the step of cancelling ALL ID's issued from that office over a certain period of time due to the possibility of the ID being obtained illegally.

I believe this resulted in a 5 thousand being revoked.

Fiancée obtained her ID legitimately but has fallen fowl of the previous Amphour indiscretions.

Friend's daughter does have a Thai Birth certificate with his name on it. His daughter was born in August 2006.

When couple tried to obtain documents to marry from Mae Taeng Amphur official he said we cannot "do anything due to ID suspension" Official told them that there was nothing he could do and just to go away and "Live Quietly"

Whilst my friends Fiancée was making further inquiries in Thailand about leaving the Kingdom with there baby and coming to England she was informed that her Passport had now been suspended.

What can they do to get her ID and Passport reinstated.

What documentations can Akha Hill Tribe person obtain to leave the Kingdom and Marry a British National in UK.

Friend is trying to transfer his nationality to his daughter.

We have tried emailing several different establishments but all that seems to happen is they get passed onto the Visa section and we go round in a circle.

They Plan to marry in England.

My friend has his own home and some savings.

His future wife can speak English

She is not working at present as she is looking after there daughter.

They have been living together in Thailand for two years.

They have a 5 month old child

He is currently back in UK, returning soon to Thailand with Non-Immigrant `O` visa.

Any help would be appreciated.

jagged ( Dave )

[Thai-Spy]

Here is some background on the identity card issue:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/option/pri...newsid=30017009

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/option/pri...newsid=30017052

It was also given some discussion here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=89853

The baby is not the immediate concern. The father's name is on the birth certificate, so getting a passport for the child should not be a major hurdle (unless it requires the mother to co-sign, in which her lack of ID is a problem).

The visa for the mother is not the immediate concern; it comes third after restoring her identity card and replacing her Thai passport.

What still isn't clear is whether the mother had the identity card such as issued to a Thai citizen, or the variant given to non-Thai citizens such as Hill Tribe people who enjoy a version of "leave to remain".

The fact that she has (presumably) a full educational history is certainly in her favor. She should go to her school and get a copy of whatever documentation they still have about her attendance. And she should try to dig up any old identity cards she might still have that predate the scandal (before March 2004). If they've been together for 2 years she should be at least 20 now and so she would have already been 17 when the false papers began to be issued; at that age she should already have had an ID card with a photo.

At the end of the day, it's probably going to require a trip to Bangkok to sort it all out, but the situation (so far) doesn't seem impossible to rectify. We're going to make outreach to some of our official contacts tomorrow and try to get more guidance on what can be done.

[jagged]

Thank you for taking the time to read/help. Any other information will be really helpful.

Fiancee only attended Missionary School under her Hill tribe Name for 2 years.

Any papers she had were given to the Amphur at the time of ID issue and not returned.

Jagged ( Dave )

[Totster]

I have merged the two topics you had started regarding this, best to keep it all in one place.

Thanks

Totster

[Thai-Spy]

The advice we've gotten is to have her assemble all documentation proving that she was issued a valid Thai ID and passport prior to the time the problems started in March 2004 (Thai year 2547). This can include:

Old ID cards even if expired

Her passport

Her family's House Registration Document

Any school records that might have been overlooked

Drivers license if any

Plus anything else that clearly gives her identity number and a date.

It's not exactly clear what the sequence of events was for her to become a Thai citizen. Is either of her parents a Thai citizen?

Did she go through the process of first having a Pink Card (Alien Identity Card) and later got a convention Thai citizen ID? If so, does she or her family still have any paperwork or receipts from this process? If not, can they at least state where the process was done?

We're also advised that getting the offending Amphur to change their mind and reinstate her is probably a lost hope, even if her ID card cancellation was illegal. Again this probably means a trip to Bangkok to sort it all out.

[jagged]

Thank you for your offer of help. I will pass this on to my friend. The reason why he is not posting this is a complete computer Virgin and he does not own one. I have known him for Years and consider him as my younger brother.

I will pass on the information and I hope he can make good use of it. I know that he is returning to Thailand around the middle of April. I hope he can sort things out better.

Thank You again for your time and trouble.

I really appreciate the offer of some help and he may well take you up on your offer.

Jagged ( David )

[Cuban]

In fact he is nearly 40 years old and he has never claimed any kind of benefit available in England, even when he was entitled too.

With all due respect, the UK benifit offices don't give a wet slap, if he were 70 years old, paid his taxes in full all his working life and not claimed a dine it would not count as anything.

Has your friend contacted the British Embassy,may sound daft but afterall he his british and in a dilema with a small child.

This angle might help by progressing with getting the child registered and a UK Passport applied for.

The comment about living quitely will in part be a desire of the offical to avoid difficult legal/paperwork issues in resolving the problem.

[Nignoy]

Where

Here is some background on the identity card issue:

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/option/pri...newsid=30017009

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/option/pri...newsid=30017052

It was also given some discussion here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=89853

The baby is not the immediate concern. The father's name is on the birth certificate, so getting a passport for the child should not be a major hurdle (unless it requires the mother to co-sign, in which her lack of ID is a problem).

The visa for the mother is not the immediate concern; it comes third after restoring her identity card and replacing her Thai passport.

What still isn't clear is whether the mother had the identity card such as issued to a Thai citizen, or the variant given to non-Thai citizens such as Hill Tribe people who enjoy a version of "leave to remain".

The fact that she has (presumably) a full educational history is certainly in her favor. She should go to her school and get a copy of whatever documentation they still have about her attendance. And she should try to dig up any old identity cards she might still have that predate the scandal (before March 2004). If they've been together for 2 years she should be at least 20 now and so she would have already been 17 when the false papers began to be issued; at that age she should already have had an ID card with a photo.

At the end of the day, it's probably going to require a trip to Bangkok to sort it all out, but the situation (so far) doesn't seem impossible to rectify. We're going to make outreach to some of our official contacts tomorrow and try to get more guidance on what can be done.

Its great to see so many TV members offering health and advice!!I wish I could have asked for your help in 1966, when the british Govt annulled my legal marriage and confiscated my british passport for 2 years Nignoy