Jomtien Condo Owners Sue For Sea View

[prospero]

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View Talay's marketing ploy is designed to sell as many empty shells to empty headed farangs as possible, with no guarantee that they will actually own their units. It is shameful, but, as we can see by huge number of blokes who buy in the buildings, ther's a sucker born every minute.

<br /><br />Being an empty headed sucker, I would like to thank you for your kind words.<br />

<br /><br /><font color="#483d8b"><b>Something I can agree with you on! <img src="style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="ohmy.gif" /> <br /></b></font> <font color="#483d8b"><b>The same empty head farangs who don't care abound the environment laws or about Thai land and condo ownership laws. <img src="style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> <br /></b></font><br /><b><font color="#483d8b">Maybe he need to weary about his retirement visa.</font> <img src="style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> </b><br />

<br />wow!! English may not be my native language, but it certainly isn't yours.<br />How can you interprete all these Thai-English translations with such a poor understanding of english?<br /><br />As I stated before, you keep saying you are so concerned about the environment, <br />it's not about your seaview.<br />Can you honestly and without blinking tell me if you would have done <br />all you did so far, if VT7 would have been built<br />1 km to the left or right??<br />If the answer is no, please stop behaving like a wannabee Saint, and admit <br />your actions are just to protect your seaview and the value of your condo in JCC.<br />(which, btw, is perfectly reasonable)<br /><br />And let me ask you, when you decided to buy your condo in JCC, how much of a due diligence did<br />you do on all the aspects you expect the VT7-buyers to have done when they decided to buy...???<br /><br />If I have to question all permits given by whatever governmental organization, <br />my life would be very poor and boring I guess.<br /><br />Let's not make things bigger (except the height of VT7 of course) than they are,<br />don't accuse people of being empty-headed if they just want to buy a nice located<br />home, close to the beach and with all the necessary permits being ok.<br /><br />And... last thing to mention, the environment, well.... I think we should worry more<br />about other things than buildings too close to the sea. If you really care about environmental<br />problems, then I suggest to do some work on your priority list. This one shouldn't be at place 1.<br /><br />Good, now my head is empty for some time... and it feels good!<br />

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Some people might consider it empty headed to put big money into a property not knowing whether you will have title in your own name, or have to form a company that may or may not have validity under the law in a country where courts and judges can be highly arbitrary. I'm sure you did "due diligence" just like the owners of Jomtien Complex who were told, I'm sure, that there is NO RISK WHATSOEVER in having their sea view blocked, and you have been assured by your agent that there is NO RISK WHATSOEVER in owning in a company name!

If you have a problem with your title, just go to court! Here in the LOS, you will be assured of impartial justice.

[beginner]

Some people might consider it empty headed arbitrary. I'm sure you did "due diligence" just like the owners of Jomtien Complex who were told, I'm sure, that there is NO RISK WHATSOEVER in having their sea view blocked,

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Why would any reasonably intelligent person look at a high rise building in a highly attractive position some 200 metres from the beach and believe anyone who said that the space in between would not eventually be developed? In a money driven economy like this...any green space is a future building site.

Even if they wanted it to be true, a cursory look around the area would have revealed many many hi-rise buildings located much closer to the beach.

The world does not stop when someone buys a condo.

If the present prosperity continues in the various faranglands that feed Jomtien and Pattaya, they will continue to develop empty land until all the prime sites are filled and then the older buildings will be removed and re-developed. It goes on all the time. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Recently refurbished bars on Second Road are today being demolished for something more profitable.

The new builds tend to be much better designs which take into account environmentally sound practices such as water re-cycling, solar power, energy efficiency, better insulation and often better aesthetics (an area of personal preference and value judgments). VT7 for example is viewed by many as a very attractive addition to the beachfront skyline.

The general rise in prosperity also allows higher prices and better all round quality within the building. The days of ultra low cost building solutions such as.............you name them....is coming to an end. Quality will be king in the prime locations.

[Chopper]

I have no interest in either VT7 or JCC but like to follow the local market. I am just an impartial observer though I admit to a wry grin when I picked up this magazine today. Talk about promtion...

[stevemiddie]

I have no interest in either VT7 or JCC but like to follow the local market. I am just an impartial observer though I admit to a wry grin when I picked up this magazine today. Talk about promtion...

I have no interest in either. Reading that " article " seems like a good reason NOT to buy property in Thailand.

Foreigners daring to complain? Bothering the court system?

Lets hope that if the VT7 is completed and subsequent problems arise..say due to poor construction or sinkage ( it is close to the sea ) then equally no owners of VT7 will dare to " bother the courts " or " complain "

[TheWalkingMan]

Is that the actual advertisement???

"Fortunately these aliens lost the case..."

"At the same time all of hope that most of those foreigners in Thailand realize now, that all of them are guests in the Kingdom of Thailand only."

"Guests" :D I think it should have said ..."all of them are reminded to dummy up while in the Kingdom of Thailand." :D

TheWalkingMan

[Tammi]

I was speechless when I read the article.

And looks as though only condos getting a decent view will be the ones right on the front. The back ones will be looking right in the windows of JCC and the north ones will look directly into VT5 A or B and the south ones have no view.

I wonder if the underground parking will flood?

[prospero]

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<br />Some people might consider it empty headed arbitrary. I'm sure you did "due diligence" just like the owners of Jomtien Complex who were told, I'm sure, that there is NO RISK WHATSOEVER in having their sea view blocked, <br />/quote]<br /><br /> <i> Why would any reasonably intelligent person look at a high rise building in a highly attractive position some 200 metres from the beach and <b>believe anyone </b>who said that the space in between would not eventually be developed? In a money driven economy like this...any green space is a future building site.<br />Even if they wanted it to be true, a cursory look around the area would have revealed many many hi-rise buildings located much closer to the beach.<br /> The world does not stop when someone buys a condo.<br /><br /> If the present prosperity continues in the various faranglands that feed Jomtien and Pattaya, they will continue to develop empty land until all the prime sites are filled and then the older buildings will be removed and re-developed. It goes on all the time. Here today, gone tomorrow</i>. <br /> <i> Recently refurbished bars on Second Road are today being demolished for something more profitable.</i><br /><br /> <i> The new builds tend to be much better designs which take into account environmentally sound practices such as water re-cycling, solar power, energy efficiency, better insulation and often better aesthetics (an area of personal preference and value judgments). VT7 for example is viewed by many as a very attractive addition to the beachfront skyline.<br /> The general rise in prosperity also allows higher prices and better all round quality within the building. The days of ultra low cost building solutions such as.............you name them....is coming to an end. Quality will be king in the prime locations.

You write just like a property developer or dealer. You've got the bull down pat. It's hard to believe you don't have a horse in the race. You remind me of a certain Mr. Skittles, who skulked around pretending to be a disinterested party until somebody unmasked him as the sales manager of a certain developer that must go nameless here. Deceptive dealers and developers, gushing phony optimism are to blame for the low level of trust people have in the local real-estate scene.

In case you haven't noticed, many of the "faranglands" are moving into recession. Banks aren't lending. Mortgages are being foreclosed. There is far less disposable income to spend on property abroad. Here today, gone tomorrow.

[OhdLover]

I was speechless when I read the article.

And looks as though only condos getting a decent view will be the ones right on the front. The back ones will be looking right in the windows of JCC and the north ones will look directly into VT5 A or B and the south ones have no view.

I wonder if the underground parking will flood?

Thats why I bought right on the front

[prospero]

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I was speechless when I read the article. <br /><br />And looks as though only condos getting a decent view will be the ones right on the front. The back ones will be looking right in the windows of JCC and the north ones will look directly into VT5 A or B and the south ones have no view. <br /><br />I wonder if the underground parking will flood?

<br /><br />Thats why I bought right on the front <img src="style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><br />

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If you lose the lottery, or don't pay the piper, I hope you're happy to own it in a company name!

[OhdLover]

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I was speechless when I read the article. <br /><br />And looks as though only condos getting a decent view will be the ones right on the front. The back ones will be looking right in the windows of JCC and the north ones will look directly into VT5 A or B and the south ones have no view. <br /><br />I wonder if the underground parking will flood?

<br /><br />Thats why I bought right on the front <img src="style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><br />

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If you lose the lottery, or don't pay the piper, I hope you're happy to own it in a company name!

No problem, no lottery for me.

[JaiDeeFarang]

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I was speechless when I read the article. <br /><br />And looks as though only condos getting a decent view will be the ones right on the front. The back ones will be looking right in the windows of JCC and the north ones will look directly into VT5 A or B and the south ones have no view. <br /><br />I wonder if the underground parking will flood?

<br /><br />Thats why I bought right on the front <img src="style_emoticons/default/smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="" border="0" alt="smile.gif" /><br />

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If you lose the lottery, or don't pay the piper, I hope you're happy to own it in a company name!

No problem, no lottery for me.

Me neither

[prospero]

The way I understand it, Thai law prohibits the formation of dummy companies by farangs for the purpose of skirting the regulation about 49% condominium ownership. Even though it's done all the time, and even though, farang dummy companies have so far never been challenged, that situation could change at the whim of any government. If the dummy companies were prosecuted, the farang "owner" would have no right to the title and would be liable for prosecution for criminal fraud. This would result not only in loss of property, but loss of visa.

So, even though many farangs use these companies to own their condos, their position is not secure, no matter what they may be told by real estate agent or by developer. After all, the owners of Jomtien Complex were "guaranteed" their sea-views forever.

I'm not a lawyer and may not be correct about all this, but if I were buying in a company name, I would want to thoroughly understand my legal position. I would not want to take the developer's word for anything. That's just due diligence.

[JaiDeeFarang]

The way I understand it, Thai law prohibits the formation of dummy companies by farangs for the purpose of skirting the regulation about 49% condominium ownership. Even though it's done all the time, and even though, farang dummy companies have so far never been challenged, that situation could change at the whim of any government. If the dummy companies were prosecuted, the farang "owner" would have no right to the title and would be liable for prosecution for criminal fraud. This would result not only in loss of property, but loss of visa.

So, even though many farangs use these companies to own their condos, their position is not secure, no matter what they may be told by real estate agent or by developer. After all, the owners of Jomtien Complex were "guaranteed" their sea-views forever.

I'm not a lawyer and may not be correct about all this, but if I were buying in a company name, I would want to thoroughly understand my legal position. I would not want to take the developer's word for anything. That's just due diligence.

Everyone should take legal advice when buying a property regardless of foreign or company ownership, you would in your own country, so why not here? Now that Thaksin is back expect to see ownership opened wide open, I know his families property development operation is gearing up heavily to take advantage.

[stopvt7]

Is that the actual advertisement???

"Fortunately these aliens lost the case..."

"At the same time all of hope that most of those foreigners in Thailand realize now, that all of them are guests in the Kingdom of Thailand only."

"Guests" I think it should have said ..."all of them are reminded to dummy up while in the Kingdom of Thailand."

TheWalkingMan

Yes your right!

But, we were told buy the Palaces Secretary to use The Administrative Court and Issue 9 was the current law. They are still keep advised about our case..

Many real estate agents don’t care about the Thai King laws as long as they can but baht in their pockets? Take some good advise. If you ever had a real estate agent tells you to violate a Thai Kings law I recommend you walk out of his office. Buyer beware!

[OhdLover]

A little while ago you wrote:

So get your facts correct before shouting you month off! Then learn to read English that you can understand the meaning of Issue 8 and 9.

Now you post:

Yes your right!

But, we were told buy the Palaces Secretary to use The Administrative Court and Issue 9 was the current law. They are still keep advised about our case..

Many real estate agents don't care about the Thai King laws as long as they can but baht in their pockets? Take some good advise. If you ever had a real estate agent tells you to violate a Thai Kings law I recommend you walk out of his office. Buyer beware!

Why does it seem to me you are only capable of seeing the shortcomings of others, but are totally blind to those of yours...

I highlighted 6 things, there are more. This is a quite simple text, laws are written in a very complex way.

I suggest you first learn to write english before you tell others to learn to read it.

This is not a personal attack, but I am wondering if this is the same way you approach the VT-case,

tell others they are wrong, but have a blind spot for your own imperfections.

Edited March 7, 2008 by OhdLover

[JaiDeeFarang]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

[lookat]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

Thank for showing you empty headiness. The law is for everyone protection. Even you!

[surfer]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...

You are both as wrapped in your own world and as selfish as anybody else on this thread.... what's the point of just being the anti, then the anti etc....

i have nothing to do with the vt7 or the jcc but i see both arguments on the 8 and 9 clauses... but having lived in and worked in the property developmetn biz in phuket pre and post tsunami i agree with stopvt7's idea of the setback rule... that seems to be the way the local orbitor's handled the newer setback regs there.... not out to sea then back againi but basically one way.... seemed to make sense to 99% of those dealing with it.

[IRAK]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...

You are both as wrapped in your own world and as selfish as anybody else on this thread.... what's the point of just being the anti, then the anti etc....

i have nothing to do with the vt7 or the jcc but i see both arguments on the 8 and 9 clauses... but having lived in and worked in the property developmetn biz in phuket pre and post tsunami i agree with stopvt7's idea of the setback rule... that seems to be the way the local orbitor's handled the newer setback regs there.... not out to sea then back againi but basically one way.... seemed to make sense to 99% of those dealing with it.

[IRAK]

Hi

What news whith building betwen VT5 and VT7 ??

[OhdLover]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...

You are both as wrapped in your own world and as selfish as anybody else on this thread....

Of course I am selfish, but I am honest. I want to protect the money I invested in VT7, because it's my money and I don't want to lose it.

stopvt7 however, behaves like he is saving the world from evil, because he did what he did. I asked him several time if he would have done the same if VT7 was being built 500m to the left or right (so: not blocking his seaview), but got no answer.

His only interest is to protect his property and seaview, which is perfecty ok with me.

But why tell everybody you do it because you want to protect the environment etc. etc.????

Be honest. Nobody will blame you for trying to protect your property.

Edited March 7, 2008 by OhdLover

[surfer]

Of course I am selfish, but I am honest. I want to protect the money I invested in VT7, because it's my money and I don't want to lose it.

stopvt7 however, behaves like he is saving the world from evil, because he did what he did. I asked him several time if he would have done the same if VT7 was being built 500m to the left or right (so: not blocking his seaview), but got no answer.

His only interest is to protect his property and seaview, which is perfecty ok with me.

But why tell everybody you do it because you want to protect the environment etc. etc.????

Be honest. Nobody will blame you for trying to protect your property.

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well Oldlover im selfish too. Your loss of investment money does not effect me but the loss of beach environment may. The septic water that seeps up throught the sand from VT7 may affect me, the loss of green space, anything natural that could live in a garden like a bird goes elswhere cause there aint enough room to live with that monster you invested in.

I would have to side with stopVT7 even though he is the only person "not being true to himself".

Get back in you toyota vigo or SUV and dont worry about any body else outside.

[lookat]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...

You are both as wrapped in your own world and as selfish as anybody else on this thread....

Of course I am selfish, but I am honest. I want to protect the money I invested in VT7, because it's my money and I don't want to lose it.

stopvt7 however, behaves like he is saving the world from evil, because he did what he did. I asked him several time if he would have done the same if VT7 was being built 500m to the left or right (so: not blocking his seaview), but got no answer.

His only interest is to protect his property and seaview, which is perfecty ok with me.

But why tell everybody you do it because you want to protect the environment etc. etc.????

Be honest. Nobody will blame you for trying to protect your property.

Dear Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...Maybe stopvt7 is interested in both the environment and sea view? At less I give the group of ten credit for standing up and is tiring to protect both environment and their sea view even if it only for personal interest.

Is not a sea view an environment issue? Also their selfish personal interest will benefit the Thai public beaches then they win.

My personal interest is to walk along Jomtien beach without having large building on top of me.

Edited March 8, 2008 by lookat

[lookat]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...

You are both as wrapped in your own world and as selfish as anybody else on this thread.... what's the point of just being the anti, then the anti etc....

i have nothing to do with the vt7 or the jcc but i see both arguments on the 8 and 9 clauses... but having lived in and worked in the property developmetn biz in phuket pre and post tsunami i agree with stopvt7's idea of the setback rule... that seems to be the way the local orbitor's handled the newer setback regs there.... not out to sea then back againi but basically one way.... seemed to make sense to 99% of those dealing with it.

Dear IRAK

How close to the seashore in Phuket are buildings over 14 meters being built?

[OhdLover]

Get back in you toyota vigo or SUV and dont worry about any body else outside.

I am not at the least insulted by what you write, but I lost any interest in whatever you want to state in your posting.

People who need to exagerate the way you do, cannot be taken seriously.

[OhdLover]

Dear Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...Maybe stopvt7 is interested in both the environment and sea view? At less I give the group of ten credit for standing up and is tiring to protect both environment and their sea view even if it only for personal interest.

Is not a sea view an environment issue? Also their selfish personal interest will benefit the Thai public beaches then they win.

My personal interest is to walk along Jomtien beach without having large building on top of me.

Sorry lookat, I think environment protection is a nice marketing concept for this case,

but seaview protection is the one and only reason they started it.

Somebody who really cares about environmental issues, can choose numerous more important things to fight for.

Those people live in JCC, which is just over 200 meter from the sea, and it would be very easy to state that these ugly

high buildings (amongst others) are responsible for the way the jomtien environment is being developed (destroyed?) nowadays.

Still.... these people chose to live in this highrise building without hesitation.

(How many people were concerned about the environment when JCC was built??)

And now... all of a sudden... they start worrying about the environment.. pure coincidence that the reason is their seaviews being blocked by a new highrise building right in front of their highrise JCC.

Come on... let's not make up fairy tales...

Fight for your right, but please no disguises.

[khunyae]

Hi

What news whith building betwen VT5 and VT7 ??

I walked along Dongtan Beach yesterday. That site is overgrown, uncleared, and undeveloped as of yet.

However, we all know that will change. Just a question of when, how high, and how close...

Edited March 8, 2008 by khunyae

[marekm1]

Spot on, totally correct. They are so wrapped up in their own world, blinkered even. They cannot see the bigger picture and think that Thai law is there solely to protect the interest of a group of farangs. How wrong they are.

Jai Dee Farang and Oldlover...

You are both as wrapped in your own world and as selfish as anybody else on this thread.... what's the point of just being the anti, then the anti etc....

i have nothing to do with the vt7 or the jcc but i see both arguments on the 8 and 9 clauses... but having lived in and worked in the property developmetn biz in phuket pre and post tsunami i agree with stopvt7's idea of the setback rule... that seems to be the way the local orbitor's handled the newer setback regs there.... not out to sea then back againi but basically one way.... seemed to make sense to 99% of those dealing with it.

Hi Surfer,

It is not point to show up in a new name and still crushed up my friends, who invested in VT7.

As VT7 is a done deal you would be you recommended to take your grudge around Thailand and see the new developments are not done. Just forget VT7 because is nothing to do with you. You can take StopVt7 with you. And don’t post it here any more.

[surfer]

Hi Surfer,

It is not point to show up in a new name and still crushed up my friends, who invested in VT7.

As VT7 is a done deal you would be you recommended to take your grudge around Thailand and see the new developments are not done. Just forget VT7 because is nothing to do with you. You can take StopVt7 with you. And don't post it here any more.

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Hi Markem,

New user of this forum but geez ive been in Thailand on and off for over 15 years and spent a few of those years working in Sri Racha.

I was born and raised by the sea and travelled the globe hugging coastlines surfing, swimming and enjoying what the coast had to offer.

I have an opinion on matters too so I may just be posting here again....

cheers

[marekm1]

Hi Surfer,

It is not point to show up in a new name and still crushed up my friends, who invested in VT7.

As VT7 is a done deal you would be you recommended to take your grudge around Thailand and see the new developments are not done. Just forget VT7 because is nothing to do with you. You can take StopVt7 with you. And don't post it here any more.

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Hi Markem,

New user of this forum but geez ive been in Thailand on and off for over 15 years and spent a few of those years working in Sri Racha.

I was born and raised by the sea and travelled the globe hugging coastlines surfing, swimming and enjoying what the coast had to offer.

I have an opinion on matters too so I may just be posting here again....

cheers

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