Trump faces two deadlines as U.S. Congress ramps up impeachment focus

[J Town]

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

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On November 18 he went unannounced to WR hospital for "phase 1" of his physical 3 months early?!  No president has ever done their annual physical in "phases" or 3 months early.

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No living PERSON has ever done this, but DAMN he looks fit in those boxing trunks!

[malibukid]

7 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Yes, the democrats have sealed their fate re congressional elections next year - never mind Trump will win in a landslide. 

It'll be a rout! ???? 

 

MAGA 

the Democrats have fulfilled  their constitutional duty with going ahead for impeachment in the House. this is far more important thing than playing politics.  it's a matter of principle something lacking it seems with the GOP.

[joecoolfrog]

7 hours ago, Longcut said:

How much is all this shenanigans costing the American taxpayers? Are the Democrats going to reimburse the American people for all this BS? I hope the real cost of all this comes to light before the next election. 

I would imagine , subject to inflation , a similar amount that was spent impeaching Clinton.

No doubt at that time you were also foaming at the mouth at the thought of such a waste of taxpayers money.

[Berkshire]

MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber lays out a really solid case, comparing what Trump has done with what Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich’s did years ago, i.e., a failed bribery plot to trade a senate seat for something of value (read quid pro quo).  It's amazingly similar.  When caught, Blagojevich used the exact same excuses Trump is using.  It didn't matter--he was indicted, impeached, and convicted.  He was sent to jail and is still in jail to this day.

 

 

 

 

[J Town]

5 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber lays out a really solid case, comparing what Trump has done with what Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich’s did years ago, i.e., a failed bribery plot to trade a senate seat for something of value (read quid pro quo).  It's amazingly similar.  When caught, Blagojevich used the exact same excuses Trump is using.  It didn't matter--he was indicted, impeached, and convicted.  He was sent to jail and is still in jail to this day.

I watched that! I couldn't believe how much has changed since Gov Rod got jailed, how much the public has become numb to what's going on! The most frightening realization:

 

When you believe ONE MAN above science, above our Intelligence agencies, above former CIA directors and retired generals, and revered career journalists - when you believe that one man above even your own eyes and ears - you have become fully indoctrinated.

[jany123]

3 hours ago, TPI said:

For what? Being elected by popular vote! We can't have that can we, after all we're the people that count, us seat warmers in Congress!

Pure deflection... patiently waiting out the four years is what you do when your candidate loses an election. Impeachment is for his post election  high crimes and misdemeanors. I know it’s confusing but do try to keep up.

[WalkingOrders]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

555 - the net is closing in on THAT big mouth bass.

Can we place bets here? We can exchange email for paypal accounts later.

[J Town]

1 minute ago, WalkingOrders said:

It still has to go to the Senate - and the Senate are not going to remove him, and well....that's it -- the last Democrat bullet has been shot, and then its four more years of Trump because the entire country next will witness what happens when Barr, Durham, and the IG all unfold.  The Senate will not convict, the potential that the house will not bring charges still exists. This whole thing is a farce. Go ahead mock me, talk your defense of the process, call Trump a bad guy...none of your opinion is going to change what is coming. After you are all proved wrong and Trump survives you will continue to render excuses. That's my prediction. And Biden the latest video of him rambling incoherently about the hair on his legs and kids on his lap shows that he needs to be brought home and put into an easy chair with the remote control in his hands before he hurts himself. There simply is no way to defend this craziness, even if Trump never existed: 

 

You know what the REAL problem is (of COURSE I'm gonna tell you!)? Nobody discusses any more. People only argue, and that's a profound loss for us all. In a discussion, you leave yourself open to the possibility of other ideas. In an argument, you have already up your mind and NO amount of fact will change that. What you post here is not fact, it is conjecture from your perspective. The Senate (a singular NOT plural body) has erroneously announced they will not remove the president before seeing a single piece of evidence at trial. Hell, Lindsey Graham has openly said he will refuse to even LOOK at any evidence. This is the very definition of a kangaroo court and makes a mockery of what SHOULD be one of the most austere legal bodies in one of the most serious matters most of us have ever experienced in our lifetimes.

 

The fact that the Senate has openly declared it will not convict before the trial has even started has openly shouted to the world the U.S. government is no longer about truth, no longer about patriotism, NO LONGER ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW! Rather, the Senate has publicly shamed itself. This is how banana republics behave.

[WalkingOrders]

7 hours ago, legend49 said:

But he hates NATO and wants it terminated.

I am not sure if he wants NATO terminated but I sure do. I see absolutely no reason for the existance of NATO. I do think the USA should simply pull out and let the Europeans decide if they want the organization to continue. I do not buy any of the Rubbish put forward by those State Department bureaucrats that Ukraine is a bullwork holding back the Russians from invading Europe. I don't think I ever laughed so hard as I did listening to that absolute BS. Europe can handle any Russian aggression all by itself. Germany is no longer a Nazi threat. And the USA should close all bases in Europe and withdraw. Open new defense agreements Country by Country as necessary. Same goes for South korea. They can handle an attack from the North all by themselves. and same for Japan. In Asia again, negotiate with Countries that would like a treaty. No bases are needed all over the world except in limited circumstance. NATO is outdated, and even NATO itself gives reasons for their existance that are ridiculous - such as climate change etc. NATO is obsolete. There is no Russian threat to Europe. That is archaic thinking. Ukraine is a civil war. Russia has reasons for intervention which I do not agree with- nevertheless, their reasoning is easy to understand. Claims of an invasion of Europe? Absolute nonsense.

[J Town]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

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Think again! Nobody, not even POTUS, is above the law.

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And THIS is REALLY the crux of the matter! When Hillary got away with SO much buggery, many of us felt dispirited. That woman broke laws and received no richly deserved punishment. Is Trump going to go down that same path, breaking laws and endangering national security primarily for his own enrichment with no consequences? "We, The People" are getting fed up with this!

[OneMoreFarang]

17 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

9 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

f Trump is impeached by the House, he can never be pardoned for these crimes. He cannot pardon himself (it’s dubious that a president has this self-pardoning power in any event), and he cannot be pardoned by a future president.

It still has to go to the Senate - and the Senate are not going to remove him, and well....that's it -- the last Democrat bullet has been shot, and then its four more years of Trump

That was exactly the point of the article which I quoted. If congress impeaches him then he is impeached, even if the senate does not confirm this. And even if he stay as president for another 4 years, there will be a time when he is not president anymore. And if he did any crimes for which he was impeached then nobody can pardon him for that. The important word here is crime. Let's see what happens.

I am not American and in principle I think they should vote for whoever they want to vote for. And that politician can then do whatever he wants and what is legal. And that's the important point here. A president must work according to the constitution, he can't just ignore that - even if lots of his followers seem to ignore this little fact.

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, J Town said:

And THIS is REALLY the crux of the matter! When Hillary got away with SO much buggery, many of us felt dispirited. That woman broke laws and received no richly deserved punishment. Is Trump going to go down that same path, breaking laws and endangering national security primarily for his own enrichment with no consequences? "We, The People" are getting fed up with this!

I followed part of Hillary's story. I don't know if she got away with any crime.

But even if she got away with any crime, is that a reason to say anybody else should also get away with it?

I.e. is a burglar is not convicted for some strange reason, should all burglars be freed to make it equal?

As far as I see the facts show clearly that Trump demanded something illegal. And he demanded it not in the interest of the country, he demanded it for his personal gain against the interest of the USA. Should he get away with that? Is that the kind of leader the USA wants?

Remember, if he is impeached and if he has to go away then the vice president will become president. He is also a GOP politician. And in the next election you can all again vote for the same party. Life continues after Trump.

[WalkingOrders]

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

A president must work according to the constitution, he can't just ignore that - even if lots of his followers seem to ignore this little fact.

Trump is doing exactly that. I think you are confused about how the American process works. As far as a President being tried for crimes after he leaves office. If he is not convicted in the Senate I think that may be highly unlikely. That is what the Senate is by the way - its the trial. The impeachment process is entirely political. IF there were a clear case of crime, there would CERTAINLY be bi-partisan support for his removal. There isn't any. None. The Democrat party accused Trump of literally being a foreign agent - with his finger on the American Nuclear Trigger. Possessing all of the Countries secrets. DO YOU NOT THINK that if that was true that the Republicans (especially the never Trumpers) would have not immediately sided with Democrats and had him immediately removed from office? But it was NOT TRUE. Its a political game being played by a single party, and its obvious. 

 

This President has been absolutely maligned in a way I have never seen in my life. And I firmly believe that most of this unhinged left would be attacking ANY Conservative President in power in the same way. 

[WalkingOrders]

8 hours ago, soalbundy said:

So why is he frightened ?

Who? The President? He isn't frightened. 

[metisdead]

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[AussieBob18]

Seems many people do not know how it works:  Article One of the United States Constitution gives the House of Representatives the sole power of impeachment and the Senate the sole power to try impeachments of officers of the U.S. federal government. (Various state constitutions include similar measures, allowing the state legislature to impeach the governor or other officials of the state government.) In contrast to the British system, in the United States impeachment is only the first of two stages, and conviction during the second stage requires "the concurrence of two thirds of the members present".

The House recommends impeachment (lays charges) - the Senate conducts the trial into guilt or innocence.

Clinton was charged with impeachment by the House (members of both Parties), but not enough Senators (both Parties) voted in favour after the Senate trial, and the charge of Impeachment was therefore dismissed.

[WalkingOrders]

7 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 If he is found innocent in the senate what should happen? Another term. 

I think at this point another term is pretty much a given. Americans are not going to elect Communist Bernie, Not going to elect Buttigieg, Not going to elect Biden (the recent video? His mind is obviously shot), Not goingn to elect Pocahontas either. Not going to elect Bloomberg. The entire mess of candidates is a joke.

[WalkingOrders]

4 hours ago, Skallywag said:

to invoke the 25th amendment ...5555

Keep dreaming. Four more years is pretty much in the bag at this point.

[WalkingOrders]

7 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Because being found not guilty by the Senate is the same establish that Trump's policies and actions are good for the citizens of the USA and should be endorsed by them? Non-sequitur much?

This entire sentence does not make any sense in the English language. Do you need a do-over?

[UncleFesterNightmare]

7 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 If he is found innocent in the senate what should happen? Another term. 

I suppose I could excuse the ignorance of this statement thinking that you may not be American.  I cannot speak for all Americans as many of our younger generation have embraced socialism whilst ignoring the civics of our country that they were never taught, nor cared for.

 

In America one is presumed innocent.

 

One is not presumed under our laws or our Constitution to be guilty until a jury of their peers declares them to be so.

 

The House of Representatives is playing politics.  They cannot declare our President guilty or not guilty as they are not the jury.  The real jury should impeachment be voted upon and affirmed by straight party lines, shall be the Senators.  Only the Senate as a whole can declare President Donald John Trump to be guilty.  

 

Pity, that the Trump derangement syndrome gripping those on the left robs them of sound judgment.

[WalkingOrders]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

When you believe ONE MAN above science, above our Intelligence agencies, above former CIA directors and retired generals, and revered career journalists - when you believe that one man above even your own eyes and ears - you have become fully indoctrinated.

When you believe that intelligence agencies, the State Department, and other non-elected bureaucrats should fight against the elected Government, and attempt to control American Policy in the shadows, and overthrow the will of the American people, you have truly been indoctrinated. When you believe that its right and just to thwart the policy of an administration rather then resign with honor, you have been truly indoctrinated. WHen you believe that it's OK to defame a President of the United States with unsubstantiated charges you have been truly indoctrinated. WHen you think its normal that a Political party would identify themselves as "The resistance" words which were reserved for partisans fighting against fascism in combat, you have been indoctrinated. WHen you think its OK for the Speaker of the House to claim that the American President (while in control of the American Nucelar arsenal) works for the Russian President, You have been indoctrinated. When several former heads of American Intelligence agencies take jobs at the same time for media outlets and you see that as normal behavior for ex heads of CIA or FBI, you have been indoctrinated. WHen you forgive a political party claiming that the President of the United States hired prostitutes to <deleted> on the bed used by the former President and First lady in a hotel. You have been indoctrinated. WHen you do not quesiton a party calling for a 16 year old vote - you have been indoctrinated. When you think 20 million illegal undocumented aliens living within your country is OK you have been indoctrinated. When a political party calls for the abolition of constitutional safeguards such as the electoral college or calls for moving Justices off of the supreme court - You have been indoctrinated. WHen you think that its OK for the Government to force Americans at Gunpoint to give up their property You have been indoctrinated. WHen you think that one administration spying on the incoming administration is OK you have been indoctrinated. When you think that civil war statues (Yes that preserve an ugliness of US history to many) should be torn down and destroyed you have been indoctrinated. If you think that calling for a ban on 7 muslim countries that are unable to police their identity documents for passports is wrong - you have been indoctrinated. WHen you fail to question any AMerican foreign policy as related to NATO, or Russia, Ukraine, or China, you have been indoctrinated.

[WalkingOrders]

44 minutes ago, J Town said:

The Senate (a singular NOT plural body) has erroneously announced they will not remove the president before seeing a single piece of evidence at trial.

A singular body made up of 50 Senators, regardless of any grammar police. And they are not acting erroneously. They are acting as they see fit under the circumstances. Regardless of your opinion of their actions. This is no more then a political stunt. Oh Gee they agree. That's the way it is. Hold the damn trial if it gets that far. Bring all the evidence. Or simply dismiss it like a slap in the Democrats face. Then let them continue to cry. Standing by for Barr, Durham and the IG. At this point I would like to see the entire Democrat leadership in Jail...as I see them all as acting "eroneously" , and as disgusting filth to add to that.

[WalkingOrders]

10 hours ago, RPCVguy said:

Make Attorneys Get Attorneys ????‍♂️

NO doubt why McCabe Comey and Brennan spend so much time on CNN and MSNBC getting paid. Attorney's are expensive. For sure!

[metisdead]

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[joecoolfrog]

10 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Yes, the democrats have sealed their fate re congressional elections next year - never mind Trump will win in a landslide. 

It'll be a rout! ???? 

 

MAGA 

Well as Trump is now apparently too scared to turn up and face scrutiny , it certainly would be a rout.

[joecoolfrog]

43 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

A singular body made up of 50 Senators, regardless of any grammar police. And they are not acting erroneously. They are acting as they see fit under the circumstances. Regardless of your opinion of their actions. This is no more then a political stunt. Oh Gee they agree. That's the way it is. Hold the damn trial if it gets that far. Bring all the evidence. Or simply dismiss it like a slap in the Democrats face. Then let them continue to cry. Standing by for Barr, Durham and the IG. At this point I would like to see the entire Democrat leadership in Jail...as I see them all as acting "eroneously" , and as disgusting filth to add to that.

Utterly deranged lol

[UncleFesterNightmare]

1 minute ago, joecoolfrog said:

Well as Trump is now apparently too scared to turn up and face scrutiny , it certainly would be a rout.

Perhaps, you should read my post above: 

Trump doesn't have to lend credence to a sham.

 

 

[UncleFesterNightmare]

19 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

And yet he was boasting the other week that he couldn't wait to show up and put the record straight.

A quote or reference would go much farther than a vague statement. As I recall, Trump is wanting to go to the Senate, where the treachery will be laid bare for all to see. 

 

Pity the left for the excoriation that will ensue.

Edited December 2, 2019 by UncleFesterNightmare

[WalkingOrders]

32 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Utterly deranged lol

Thank you