1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Could you highlight those "mass killings" ?

I dont recall there ever being any "mass killings "

You're probably trolling as usual but since you asked..
2014

"The UN says at least 2,104 Palestinian died, including 1,462 civilians, of whom 495 were children and 253 women."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28439404
or
2018
UN report released Friday said that in 2018 Israel killed 56 Palestinian children — the largest number since Israel and Hamas fought a war in the Gaza Strip in 2014.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-number-of-palestinian-children-killed-by-israel-in-2018-highest-in-4-years/
or 
2019
"Why has Israel killed almost 3 Palestinians per week so far this year?"
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israel-has-killed-nearly-3-palestinians-week-year-0

 

Go figure who the paid terrorists are who perpetrated these war crimes.

Edited January 2, 20206 yr by dexterm

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

No they are not .

Palestinians have sided with Iran and are aligned with Hezbollah , Irans military wing  .

  Saudi are concerned about Irans influence and expansion , as is Israel and the USA .

  The power struggle is between Iran and Saudi and their allies , Israel are now allies with Saudi and Saudi oppose the Palestinians and Iran 

So much ignorance in one post strongly suggests that, apart from your blind support of Israel's oppresstion of the Palestinians, you are all over the place.

 

To start the Palestinians have not sided with Iran (they are Sunni & Iran is Shia) but they will accept aid from any country that supports them in their freedom fight. Nor are the Palestinians 'aligned' with Hizbollah & Hizbollah is not Iran's military wing - they are a political, social military group in Lebanon & are part of the government there & were formed to prevent another Sharon/Falange massacre of Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon.

 

Yes, Saudi and Iran are not friends and while Saudi supports Israel ( the enemy of my enemy is my friend) in a very limited way (anti-Iran)  but certainly doesn't support the Israel Apartheid in Palestine & nor does it support Kushner's 'plan' of using someone else's money to allow Israel's grand plan for more stolen land.

The Saudis do not oppose the Palestinians.

 

Why the hell can't you at least learn a little.more about the region before posting such rubbish.

Edited January 2, 20206 yr by khunken
spelling & context

So much ignorance in one post strongly suggests that, apart from your blind hatred of Israel, you are all over the place. For Jew haters, Israel is all that matters. 

 

They don't care about millions of people killed in Syria, or what the Iranian government is doing to its people.

 

Funny to see someone with an Iranian flag, trying to lecture Israel.

 

Why the hell can't you at least talk about non-Jewish countries, before posting such rubbish?

Because no one cares when non-Jews do bad things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, toast1 said:

So much ignorance in one post strongly suggests that, apart from your blind hatred of Israel, you are all over the place. For Jew haters, Israel is all that matters. 

 

They don't care about millions of people killed in Syria, or what the Iranian government is doing to its people.

 

Funny to see someone with an Iranian flag, trying to lecture Israel.

 

Why the hell can't you at least talk about non-Jewish countries, before posting such rubbish?

Because no one cares when non-Jews do bad things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>>Why the hell can't you at least talk about non-Jewish countries

...because the topic is about Israel and the Palestinians.

 

1 hour ago, khunken said:

So much ignorance in one post strongly suggests that, apart from your blind support of Israel's oppresstion of the Palestinians, you are all over the place.

 

To start the Palestinians have not sided with Iran (they are Sunni & Iran is Shia) but they will accept aid from any country that supports them in their freedom fight. Nor are the Palestinians 'aligned' with Hizbollah & Hizbollah is not Iran's military wing - they are a political, social military group in Lebanon & are part of the government there & were formed to prevent another Sharon/Falange massacre of Palestinians in refugee camps in Lebanon.

 

Yes, Saudi and Iran are not friends and while Saudi supports Israel ( the enemy of my enemy is my friend) in a very limited way (anti-Iran)  but certainly doesn't support the Israel Apartheid in Palestine & nor does it support Kushner's 'plan' of using someone else's money to allow Israel's grand plan for more stolen land.

The Saudis do not oppose the Palestinians.

 

Why the hell can't you at least learn a little.more about the region before posting such rubbish.

My point being that the Whole wold isnt against Israel .

The situation is to complex to talk about on here , but it isnt the whole word v Israel these days .

  These days its USA , Saudia , Israel E.U verses Iran, Syria, Hezbollah , Hamas .

  Saudia doesnt want an Iranian influenced  styled  sharia run Palestine state right on its doorstep

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

My point being that the Whole wold isnt against Israel .

The situation is to complex to talk about on here , but it isnt the whole word v Israel these days .

  These days its USA , Saudia , Israel E.U verses Iran, Syria, Hezbollah , Hamas .

  Saudia doesnt want an Iranian influenced  styled  sharia run Palestine state right on its doorstep

No the whole world isn't against Israel but the vast majority of countries have recognised Palestine as a state and many people in many countries support the Palestinians as they are being driven to landless poverty by Israel.

 

If the situation is too complex for yoy , why write ignorant rubbish about it?

 

I already explained the 'who supports who & on which issue' but you carry on with inane tripe.

 

Your last sentence is just another example of ignorance as Saudi is the major sharia run country (Iran far less) and there is zero evidence of a sharia-run Palestine emerging in the future. You are compounding your ignorance by type-casting the Palestinian struggle as a Muslim-Jewish struggle. It's not, as it's a Palestinian-Israeli struggle as any Palestinian Christian would tell you.

 

Muslim-Jewish conflict is what those using Israeli propaganda use as an 'argument' as it makes the anti-semitic lie easy to use as a substitute for knowledge.

Its not all about anti Semitism?

You're very upset human rights?

 

So where are your posts about the millions killed in Syria

So where are your posts about people killed in Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Egypt

 

 

How angry are you about the atrocities carried out by the Iranian government?

 

Edited January 2, 20206 yr by toast1

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

You're probably trolling as usual but since you asked..
2014

"The UN says at least 2,104 Palestinian died, including 1,462 civilians, of whom 495 were children and 253 women."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28439404
or
2018
UN report released Friday said that in 2018 Israel killed 56 Palestinian children — the largest number since Israel and Hamas fought a war in the Gaza Strip in 2014.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-number-of-palestinian-children-killed-by-israel-in-2018-highest-in-4-years/
or 
2019
"Why has Israel killed almost 3 Palestinians per week so far this year?"
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israel-has-killed-nearly-3-palestinians-week-year-0

 

Go figure who the paid terrorists are who perpetrated these war crimes.

Hardly mass killings but casualties of war started by Hamas and the reason for such a high toll is also because of Hamas using civilians as human shields but do not let truth get in a way of usual nonsense ????

14 minutes ago, khunken said:

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If the situation is too complex for yoy , why write ignorant rubbish about it?

 

 

You are rather rude and abusive and I dont want to talk to you as you seem unpleasant and rude .

  I did state that as its such a complex issue , you could write a book about it and still not explain the whole situation completely .

  A small post here on TV cannot even remotely explain the situation and this I will not bother.

  As you converse like a terrorist, I dont want to speak with you any more , as you are rude and abusive .

  

 

 

51 minutes ago, dexterm said:

>>Why the hell can't you at least talk about non-Jewish countries

...because the topic is about Israel and the Palestinians.

 

But you never comment on anything other topic . Do you get paid per nonsense comment ? Or any other reason why you have no interest in anything else but spouting anti Israel nonsense ?

2 hours ago, dexterm said:

You're probably trolling as usual but since you asked..
2014

"The UN says at least 2,104 Palestinian died, including 1,462 civilians, of whom 495 were children and 253 women."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28439404
or
2018
UN report released Friday said that in 2018 Israel killed 56 Palestinian children — the largest number since Israel and Hamas fought a war in the Gaza Strip in 2014.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/un-number-of-palestinian-children-killed-by-israel-in-2018-highest-in-4-years/
or 
2019
"Why has Israel killed almost 3 Palestinians per week so far this year?"
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israel-has-killed-nearly-3-palestinians-week-year-0

 

Go figure who the paid terrorists are who perpetrated these war crimes.

We ve had this same discussion about five times over the past three years and we both keep on saying the same thing over and over again

They ONLY want to talk about Jewish Israel.

 

Millions of people have been slaughtered in the Middle East, very few of them by Israelis.

 

But its always ISRAEL ISRAEL ISRAEL

 

 

33 minutes ago, BestB said:

But you never comment on anything other topic . Do you get paid per nonsense comment ? Or any other reason why you have no interest in anything else but spouting anti Israel nonsense ?

You will find that it is only Israel that pays professional propaganda posters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_of_Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasbara_Fellowships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force

 

One can only comment on what the topic setters set. Check the TV archives. I have posted about Brexit, Trump (although there are far more experts on those topics than I), China, Burma, India, Iran, UAE, UK, Australia, trekking ... off the top of my head over the years.

I have visited Israel and was appalled by the racism I found there, which prompted me to research the roots of the conflict.
I also think Israel is savable. It purports to be a modern democracy. I want it to ditch the hypocrisy and actually be one. 

 

If not now, when?

Edited January 2, 20206 yr by dexterm

You will find that people who hate Jews and Israel only want to talk about Jewish Israel.

 

I have seen their posts and am appalled by the racism I found there, which prompted me to research the roots of their hate.

I also think they are savable. They proport to be interested in human rights but its not true, just Israel.

I want them to ditch the hypocrisy and actually talk about Syria or Iran, or any non-Jewish country in the Middle East.

 

If not now when?

Edited January 2, 20206 yr by toast1

7 hours ago, toast1 said:

You will find that people who hate Jews and Israel only want to talk about Jewish Israel.

 

I have seen their posts and am appalled by the racism I found there, which prompted me to research the roots of their hate.

I also think they are savable. They proport to be interested in human rights but its not true, just Israel.

I want them to ditch the hypocrisy and actually talk about Syria or Iran, or any non-Jewish country in the Middle East.

 

If not now when?

Well, I suppose imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

Another reason that Israel gets so much attention is because it is the only so called democracy in the world where 40% of the population it controls do not have any human or civil rights. Yes, Palestinians despite all attempts at ethnic cleansing and discrimination are still the majority population in Palestine whose lives are 100% controlled by a minority of European colonialist racist supremacists. Give the Palestinians one man one vote in a united Israel.

Off-topic, troll and inflammatory posts and replies removed. 

 

25 minutes ago, Inn Between said:

You keep posting the same thing which comes across to me as deflection from the topic of Israel-Palestine conflict rather than defending Israel. I think comments reminding you of the posted topic are fair, but if you want to start another thread to discuss the crimes of other nations and not just the ones Israel has been accused of, you should just do that. 

 

No insult intended here, but that's just the impression I have. 

Members are not allowed to start such topics making your point above MOOT.

The bleeding heart, human rights outrage stops at the border of the Jewish state.

This is not deflection, but about the silence about far worse things in non-Jewish states.

 

If you have seen posts before removal by moderators, you will know that the Jewish state's religion is a big part of the hysterics.

 

It is the total hypocrisy and dishonesty I find so bizare.

 

However, I appreciate your comment.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 3, 20206 yr by toast1

5 hours ago, toast1 said:

The bleeding heart, human rights outrage stops at the border of the Jewish state.

This is not deflection, but about the silence about far worse things in non-Jewish states.

 

If you have seen posts before removal by moderators, you will know that the Jewish state's religion is a big part of the hysterics.

 

It is the total hypocrisy and dishonesty I find so bizare.

 

However, I appreciate your comment.

 

 

 

 

Not exactly bizarre.

Totally predictable. 
The ancient disease of Jew hating has been on the increase in recent years, coming from the left and the right.

When coming from the left, the obvious real faults of Israeli government policy are often used as a cover for the real agenda.

On 12/30/2019 at 7:59 AM, Somtamnication said:

If people invaded my home, I too, would never stop fighting back. 

Everybodies home on this earth was taken from someone else at some point.

12 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Everybodies home on this earth was taken from someone else at some point.

Specifically to this case the Jews of the Jewish Nakba in North Africa and the Middle East which Israel demonizers conveniently never mention have moved on from the injustice they experienced decades ago. It's absurd that so many Palestinians are still classified as refugees multiple generations later. Seems to me that the blame for that tragedy goes well beyond Israel. 

 

 

http://www.thetower.org/article/there-was-a-jewish-nakba-and-it-was-even-bigger-than-the-palestinian-one/

Quote

 

There Was a Jewish Nakba, and It Was Even Bigger than the Palestinian One

 

The expulsion of Jews from Arab countries, one of the biggest humanitarian crises of the 20th century, is all the more tragic for how little it is recognized today.

 

 

Edited January 4, 20206 yr by Jingthing

I read the article and then the comments.  My takeaway: ThaiVisaForum is a jew basher's delight. There are issues to criticize for sure, but there isn't legitimate criticism, just the  nonsensical jews/zionists are bad <deleted>. It's like a visit to  a diehard Corbyn supporters group therapy session. So much hatred, and for what? it's not like your comments will change anything. 

I suppose it's always necessary to repeat again and again that not all criticism of Israeli government policies is infected with Jew hatred. Indeed criticism of Israeli government policies is common among both Israeli and diaspora Jews.

However, it's usually easy to tell when such criticism is related to Jew hatred and it very often is.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I suppose it's always necessary to repeat again and again that not all criticism of Israeli government policies is infected with Jew hatred. Indeed criticism of Israeli government policies is common among both Israeli and diaspora Jews.

However, it's usually easy to tell when such criticism is related to Jew hatred and it very often is.

Taking Palestinian money because you don't like one of their policies is IMO not done. And that is criticism of Israeli policy, as this thread is about.

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Taking Palestinian money because you don't like one of their policies is IMO not done. And that is criticism of Israeli policy, as this thread is about.

Apparently it is being done. You can agree or disagree with the reasons or whether such harsh measures have any kind of effectiveness.

 

Personally I don't like Israel to withhold the money but I also don't like the Palestinian authority financially rewarding certain bad actors.

 

Wouldn't it be amazing if Israel Palestinian conflict issues could be discussed at this level instead of the usual Zionists are evil racists type of thing? 

Edited January 4, 20206 yr by Jingthing

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Apparently it is being done. You can agree or disagree with the reasons or whether such harsh measures have any kind of effectiveness.

 

Personally I don't like Israel to withhold the money but I also don't like the Palestinian authority financially rewarding certain bad actors.

 

Wouldn't it be amazing if Israel Palestinian conflict issues could be discussed at this level instead of the usual Zionists are evil racists type of thing? 

Yes, of course one can agree or disagree, and this is one of the forums where one can express ones opinion on that. It is Palestinian money.

 

Now I tried to get things back on topic, why you make a remark that could easily derail again is beyond me.

Ii 

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, of course one can agree or disagree, and this is one of the forums where one can express ones opinion on that. It is Palestinian money.

 

Now I tried to get things back on topic, why you make a remark that could easily derail again is beyond me.

So you have no problem with offering financial incentives to terrorists? No I am not saying all or most Palestinian dissent fits that label but some of it definitely does.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Ii 

So you have no problem with offering financial incentives to terrorists? No I am not saying all or most Palestinian dissent fits that label but some of it definitely does.

It is their money. Don't like the way they're handling their money, stop collecting it on their behalf and let them handle things themselves.

 

But it is their money!!

Edited January 4, 20206 yr by stevenl

It is good to see moderate, good and decent people discuss this topic.

 

Personally, I've no problem with Israel being criticised.

 

But, I do think its important to stand up to the hate Jewish Israel types, who become hysterical and angry at the mention of the word Israel, and write various bizarre comments, which often have to be removed. 

 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It is their money. Don't like the way they're handling their money, stop collecting it on their behalf and let them handle things themselves.

 

But it is their money!!

Is the PLO on record for supporting a change in the collection mechanics? I am guessing there are practicalities in place making it hard to change the status quo on that but maybe you know more about that. Of course ideally (in my view anyway) there would be progress towards a two state solution but it's obvious by now that the reality on the ground makes that less of a possibility than ever.