2 hours ago, natway09 said:

The money may well have ben better spent in the health sector instead of flag waving.

The UK has 5 tough years ahead

Once Corbyn was in the frame the electorate decided that the risk of having him as PM greater than any other factor.

6 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I saw a stupid CEO griping on the BBC. She has had nearly 4 years to prepare. Instead she appears to have done nothing and now whining that the government should have done it all for her.

 

What the **** does she think her job his? She has to prepare the business for long term, manage complexity and contradictions and use her brain. Probably a lefy liberal hoping it would all be reversed or some wet <deleted> artist like May would water it all down.

 

These usually very highly remunerated CEO's and their equally well remunerated senior teams love rewarding themselves when times are good. Soon as it gets hard work they whine and blame the government!

Difficult when the UK side didn't prepare anything in their negotiations with the EU. I'll take the CEO over Hard Brexiteers steaming off most days of the week. Not that the Brexiteers are much interested in business. They are mainly focussed on that other issue.

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ve yet to see what it is he ‘makes happen’.

Don't underestimate him ….. he accepted now a border in the Irish sea ….. you don't know …? of course he avoid that subject to answer clear ,but it is good so both Irelands stay in the common market  ,and no border ON the Irish island

Edited January 29, 20206 yr by david555

UK is going to be 3rd world country when it comes to EU in few days time. 

 

Naturally UK will have to obey all the EU rules as any good 3rd world country should do. Fortunately for the UK, UK can still enjoy the benefits of Single market, Customs Union and ability to live and work anywhere in EU area, without too much hassle until end of this year. 

 

Then everything changes. We all expect no-deal situation to happen, and it will happen.

 

After this year, UK will be further away from EU core than Turkey, Ukraine, Canada or Japan are. 

9 hours ago, evadgib said:

Getting on with it...

UK and EEA EFTA States sign Separation Agreement

Doh..!? I thought one of the remainers main argument was that EU citizens would be kicked out of the country on B-Day?

The deal has been signed, but otherwise nothing has changed. The change happens once the transition period ends. Of course maybe the transition period will be extended? ????

30 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Doh..!? I thought one of the remainers main argument was that EU citizens would be kicked out of the country on B-Day?

?????????????

the post you commented did not address EU or its citizens

 

Hmm, I remember another expensive government advertising campaign that wasn't very successfull.

It even involved delivering a leaflet to every household in the nation, but to no avail... 

 

uk_gov_brochure_stay_in_eu.pdf

5 minutes ago, SteveB2 said:

Hmm, I remember another expensive government advertising campaign that wasn't very successfull.

It even involved delivering a leaflet to every household in the nation, but to no avail... 

 

uk_gov_brochure_stay_in_eu.pdf 5.28 MB · 1 download

The government clearly didn't realise what forces it was fighting against. 

18 hours ago, Loiner said:

So is Reuter’s slagging Boris for instigating the campaign,

Not Reuters, government spending watchdog.

1 hour ago, TheDark said:

UK is going to be 3rd world country when it comes to EU in few days time. 

 

Naturally UK will have to obey all the EU rules as any good 3rd world country should do. Fortunately for the UK, UK can still enjoy the benefits of Single market, Customs Union and ability to live and work anywhere in EU area, without too much hassle until end of this year. 

 

Then everything changes. We all expect no-deal situation to happen, and it will happen.

 

After this year, UK will be further away from EU core than Turkey, Ukraine, Canada or Japan are. 

"UK is going to be 3rd world country when it comes to EU in few days time. "

 

 

Not complete  correct as after their independence honeymoon they stay in a kind of "vasal state" year called transition ( like a toddler  first unsecure  steps ) ????

 

And finally end 2020 they make the (probably ) big cliff jump 

Edited January 29, 20206 yr by david555

21 minutes ago, david555 said:

"UK is going to be 3rd world country when it comes to EU in few days time. "

 

 

Not complete  correct as after their independence honeymoon they stay in a kind of "vasal state" year called transition ( like a toddler  first unsecure  steps ) ????

 

And finally end 2020 they make the (probably ) big cliff jump 

This period of UK being a vassal state of the EU sets the tone for whole world, where the power is regarding to EU and UK. 

 

UK has not, by its own will, surrendered to become a vassal state of EU. This label is not going to be washed away in the following years or decades. 

 

UK surrendered it's own will to be essential part of real power, to become a ruletaker for this year and years and decades in to the future. 

 

Niger Farage, Boris Johnsson et al made it happen. Suez is nothing compared what happened during Brexit. That's the reality for now towards to the future.

 

 

1 minute ago, TheDark said:

This period of UK being a vassal state of the EU sets the tone for whole world, where the power is regarding to EU and UK. 

 

UK has not, by its own will, surrendered to become a vassal state of EU. This label is not going to be washed away in the following years or decades. 

 

UK surrendered it's own will to be essential part of real power, to become a ruletaker for this year and years and decades in to the future. 

 

Niger Farage, Boris Johnsson et al made it happen. Suez is nothing compared what happened during Brexit. That's the reality for now towards to the future.

 

 

Just because they where convinced "that E.U..., in last resort would go flat belly as they always do "….(was their mantra )

E.U. need the U.K. more than the U.K. need the E.U ….. was second mantra …..and yes by repeating and repeating they really started believing it ...lol

 

Not understanding that the E.U. always was hoping they would change mind or would be co operative …. now reality tuned in and E.U. sticks to their principals ...the E.U. white cotton gloves are off now...

 

A leaving party who would change the structure from the organization they are leaving ????…… talking about arrogance , this is first class example 

5 hours ago, SheungWan said:

 

Fortunately Boris didn't die in the ditch which the Kamikaze Brexiteers would have preferred him to do taking us all down with him. Instead we have a transitional year, so that's good instead of the no-deal Brexit brayed for so long by the forum Hard Brexiteers. The odds are that there will also be a trade deal at the end of this, so that all finally puts an end to the driving off the edge of a cliff which the loons would have voted for. Instead we get a compromise.

..."at the end of this" [year]. You are very, very optimistic.

 

I must admit that both sides will be interested to do it within the remaining 11 months. But the time for the trade deals with the other countries has taken much, much longer. Unless they copy one of those deals.

Edited January 29, 20206 yr by puck2

4 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

?????????????

the post you commented did not address EU or its citizens

 

My bad. I meant non-UK citizens. 

 

Are they being kicked out? Burnt alive? Eaten? Forced to listen to Rick Astley hit singles...?

14 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I saw a stupid CEO griping on the BBC. She has had nearly 4 years to prepare. Instead she appears to have done nothing and now whining that the government should have done it all for her.

 

What the **** does she think her job his? She has to prepare the business for long term, manage complexity and contradictions and use her brain. Probably a lefy liberal hoping it would all be reversed or some wet <deleted> artist like May would water it all down.

 

These usually very highly remunerated CEO's and their equally well remunerated senior teams love rewarding themselves when times are good. Soon as it gets hard work they whine and blame the government!

4 years to prepare for what exactly? Apparently you know what the outcome of the negotiations between the EU and the UK is going to be. If you can't share that information with us, at least do that poor woman a favor and share it with her.

11 minutes ago, Forethat said:

My bad. I meant non-UK citizens. 

 

Are they being kicked out? Burnt alive? Eaten? Forced to listen to Rick Astley hit singles...?

Nah, nothing so dramatic. 

 

EU workers in UK have learned their lessons. It's time to exit racist England.

 

There are better environments to live. 

3 hours ago, puck2 said:

..."at the end of this" [year]. You are very, very optimistic.

 

I must admit that both sides will be interested to do it within the remaining 11 months. But the time for the trade deals with the other countries has taken much, much longer. Unless they copy one of those deals.

continue as today, for the remainder of this year as a first step

 

17 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The delay was largely taken up between the Hard Brexiteers and everybody else. Fortunately there will not be a Hard Brexit on Jan 31 and who can we thank for that? Boris. Well done.

No. The delay was all caused by the Remainers, the deniers, the fools. We’ve even had the fools on here gloating at delays since last March. 
 

Hard Brexit could still be possible, depending on other deniers like Varadkar who could veto. 

19 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Reuters is reporting the findings of a UK Government Spending Watchdog.

 

Uncomfortable facts, but nevertheless facts.

There’s no particular slagging by the National Audit Office. Only comment by Remainers and Reuter’s slagging Boris. 
It was obviously the Remainers deniers and fools who were not significantly better prepared, and all because they didn’t believe it. 

17 hours ago, samran said:

 Don’t the UK now have a WHOLE month the sort their trade priorities before formal negotiations start with the EU in March?

 

Wow, talk about being prepared!

Do you seriously believe they have done nothing over the past 3+ years? 

 

Wow, talk about being seriously uninformed. 

5 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Not Reuters, government spending watchdog.

“It is not clear that the campaign resulted in the public being significantly better prepared,” said Gareth Davies, the head of the National Audit Office.
 

Looks fairly noncommittal to me. No comment from them whether he should or shouldn’t have had the campaign, or spent the whole of the remaining budget. 

 

Reuters Remainerism still at work, plus TVF propaganda. 
 

 

6 minutes ago, Loiner said:

“It is not clear that the campaign resulted in the public being significantly better prepared,” said Gareth Davies, the head of the National Audit Office.
 

Looks fairly noncommittal to me. No comment from them whether he should or shouldn’t have had the campaign, or spent the whole of the remaining budget. 

 

Reuters Remainerism still at work, plus TVF propaganda. 
 

 

No, it looks like bureaucratspeak from an official who doesn't want to offend the government.

3 hours ago, puck2 said:

..."at the end of this" [year]. You are very, very optimistic.

 

I must admit that both sides will be interested to do it within the remaining 11 months. But the time for the trade deals with the other countries has taken much, much longer. Unless they copy one of those deals.

Trade deals don't always take several years, as some would have us believe. Australia for example negotiated a trade deal with Hong Kong in 18 months. 

Many of the trade deals the UK benefits from as a result of EU membership will be rolled over as bilateral deals once we leave, and many countries have already agreed to that. 

 

Yes 11 months is hugely ambitious for a UK/EU deal. I suspect Boris is taking this stance in order to focus minds, rather than let talks drag on for years and years. He did the same with the October 2019 Article 50 deadline. 

In reality I think we'll probably see a substantial framework in place by the end of 2020, with some loose ends to be tied up over the following 6-12 months. 

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

No. The delay was all caused by the Remainers, the deniers, the fools. We’ve even had the fools on here gloating at delays since last March. 
 

Hard Brexit could still be possible, depending on other deniers like Varadkar who could veto. 

Of course that isn't true unless one plays the game of labelling Soft Brexiteers as remainers, which is a laugh in itself as Boris ended up cutting a deal with the EU. So its the Hard Brexit programme which died in the ditch and what they are left with is spinning the story as something else. So then, next week, Hello Transitional Arrangements and get on board for a Trade Deal. Hard Brexit RIP.

18 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Of course that isn't true unless one plays the game of labelling Soft Brexiteers as remainers, which is a laugh in itself as Boris ended up cutting a deal with the EU. So its the Hard Brexit programme which died in the ditch and what they are left with is spinning the story as something else. So then, next week, Hello Transitional Arrangements and get on board for a Trade Deal. Hard Brexit RIP.

you appear confident that the trade/deal talks starting in March will end up with smth positive and useful towards

the end of the year

 

 

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

you appear confident that the trade/deal talks starting in March will end up with smth positive and useful towards

the end of the year

Odds on UK and EU to sign a deal 2/5.

7 hours ago, TheDark said:

Nah, nothing so dramatic. 

 

EU workers in UK have learned their lessons. It's time to exit racist England.

 

There are better environments to live. 

There are better environments to live. 

 

Portugal?

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Odds on UK and EU to sign a deal 2/5.

 

right

you put your salary at stake - enjoy

 

over the past 3 + years so many reasonably important issues have been resolved or have ended up quite

differently from expected and predicted

 

not sure this trade deal issue is much different

 

1 hour ago, vogie said:

There are better environments to live. 

 

Portugal?

Come tomorrow, Gibraltar is the only place on the continent you’ll be legally allowed to live with minimal paperwork! 

Edited January 30, 20206 yr by samran