Sovereignty comes first: Britain lays out tough stance for EU trade talks

[tebee]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The FT has a pay wall, so I can't read whatever that article is.

 

Can you show us what definitive proof you have that the continuity trade agreements we have in place "will be renegotiated soon enough once the trading partners allow the dust to settle and figure out how they can maximise their advantage"? 

 

 

It's an agreement for South Korea to continue it's current EU trade deal with the UK as well however , it's is not a permanent trade deal because it will need to be renegotiated within two years

[CG1 Blue]

6 minutes ago, tebee said:

It's an agreement for South Korea to continue it's current EU trade deal with the UK as well however , it's is not a permanent trade deal because it will need to be renegotiated within two years

Thanks. It's only sensible that both sides reassess after the dust settles. 

 

Samran's negative spin on it wasn't necessary.   

[samran]

24 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The FT has a pay wall, so I can't read whatever that article is.

 

Can you show us what definitive proof you have that the continuity trade agreements we have in place "will be renegotiated soon enough once the trading partners allow the dust to settle and figure out how they can maximise their advantage"? 

 

 

Here’s the key paragraph from the article 

However, the agreement is not a permanent trade deal because it will need to be renegotiated within two years. The UK will also need to obtain South Korea’s consent to maintain existing tariff-free terms for UK goods with significant European components and for UK components in EU exports.

[RobFord]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Piranhas are a small fish, but don't stick any of your extremities in their mouth will you.......oh wait.

But thanks for the great advice, I'll pass it on to Sajid Javid right away.

555. In five years time when you’re crying into your beer from that soi 6 bar stool because you can’t meet Thai income requirements, please, please, please think of me. Cheers. 

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, RobFord said:

More current roses for you. Cheers.
 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/28/business/brexit-uk-car-industry/index.html

 

PS England is a small fish in a big pond. The only way it will remain competitive is to devalue it’s currency. Count on it. 

Maybe. But at least our garden pond will be back to full size.

[Opl]

 

Funny "Chat" between the UK and EU

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Edited February 5, 2020 by Opl

[RobFord]

3 hours ago, transam said:

When I read Robford I think of a bloke wadding in a stream in his trainers....????

555. You’re hilarious. When I read transam I think Transexual American. 

 

James Taylor drove a 55 Chevy in Two-Lane Blacktop. 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, RobFord said:

555. In five years time when you’re crying into your beer from that soi 6 bar stool because you can’t meet Thai income requirements, please, please, please think of me. Cheers. 

Don't do soi bars, more of a horlicks man myself.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, samran said:

You are right, the Uk joining the EC meant that Australia’s key markets were cut off to us, and we were forced to go it alone in the world searching out other alternatives. 
 

The difference here was we had this forced upon us rather than having it self inflicted. 
 

As for the mining boom - sure, it was an aberration but it doesn’t change the main story of Asia being our focus these days. 

No one in their right mind cuts off their main market voluntarily like you’ve just done with the EU - and nor is cutting it off a pre requisite for lunch finding new ones. 
 

As for exchange rates - you bought it up! 

 

As for exchange rates - yes I bought it up - and you got the hump! 

[Laughing Gravy]

4 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

Funny "Chat" between the UK and EU

extract:

 

 

 

EU: Yes but make sure you keep paying us loads of money.

EU: Plus we don't want you to be as competitive as us.

EU. Plus we want to continue to rape your fishing waters.

Edited February 5, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

Funny "Chat" between the UK and EU

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Whats funny about nonsense, is this German sense of humour by any chance?????

[CG1 Blue]

10 minutes ago, samran said:

Here’s the key paragraph from the article 

However, the agreement is not a permanent trade deal because it will need to be renegotiated within two years. The UK will also need to obtain South Korea’s consent to maintain existing tariff-free terms for UK goods with significant European components and for UK components in EU exports.

Ok, so some of the continuity agreements will be reevaluated after a couple of years.  That's perfectly sensible for both parties. I don't see the negative in that. 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, Opl said:

 

Funny "Chat" between the UK and EU

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Hilarious. Who wrote it?

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, RobFord said:

More current roses for you. Cheers.
 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/28/business/brexit-uk-car-industry/index.html

 

PS England is a small fish in a big pond. The only way it will remain competitive is to devalue it’s currency. Count on it. 

From a poster who would no doubt get the hump if anyone posting in t'other direction had the same 'near enough' approach to fine detail ????

 

( ???????? / ???????? )

[samran]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

As for exchange rates - yes I bought it up - and you got the hump! 

I think Transam got the hump...

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, samran said:

I think Transam got the hump...

I think you got white anted. ????????????

[samran]

3 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Thanks. It's only sensible that both sides reassess after the dust settles. 

 

Samran's negative spin on it wasn't necessary.   

Reality isn’t negative spin. You are getting a trade agreement for 2 years based on something which was negotiated between the EU and a third country. 
 

The negotiating position of the UK with Korea is going to be much different and likely weakened compared with a whole of EU deal.

 

So yes, all very reasonable, but you won’t be getting the same deal in 2 years time. 

[samran]

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

Thanks; If Bill Cash's private members bill (to make 23 June a bank holiday) passes through the house as expected I foresee we poms having lotsa fun as seen elsewhere with tomatoes or oranges....

 

We'll use...

& the winner will be whoever gets rid of 'em the fastest! ????

 

Meanwhile it appears a visitor is heading your way...

 

Bold new beginning for Global Britain as Foreign Secretary kicks off Asia-Pacific tour.

 

And the clock is ticking...

 

UK Rep becomes UK Mission as the UK leaves the EU

Good luck with Japan - you’ll need it.
 

Australia will be one of your first deals i think, probably more PR than substance.

 

Singapore will be wary on the financial services side of things, but being a city state, easier to negotiate than most. 

[CG1 Blue]

17 minutes ago, samran said:

Reality isn’t negative spin. You are getting a trade agreement for 2 years based on something which was negotiated between the EU and a third country. 
 

The negotiating position of the UK with Korea is going to be much different and likely weakened compared with a whole of EU deal.

 

So yes, all very reasonable, but you won’t be getting the same deal in 2 years time. 

It is spin, because you're stating a predicted outcome that supports your point of view. You have absolutely no idea how negotiations between the UK and S. Korea will go in 2 years time! Strewth....

[samran]

3 hours ago, Opl said:

 

Funny "Chat" between the UK and EU

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They could have slipped in UK: But you need me more than I need you!!

[englishoak]

6 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

It is spin, because you're stating a predicted outcome that supports your point of view. You have absolutely no idea how negotiations between the UK and S. Korea will go in 2 years time! Strewth....

 

In his spare time Samran also reads the financial tealeaves and tells fortunes at temple...

[samran]

1 hour ago, englishoak said:

 

In his spare time Samran also reads the financial tealeaves and tells fortunes at temple...

Quite....

 

Maybe I should engage in....what would you call this???

On 2/4/2020 at 10:32 PM, englishoak said:

 

 

Its a two way street as you well know, both sides would be hit, So what does that prove ? absolutely nothing tbh, free trade deal or take a hit, who needs the break most ? not sure tbh but the Uk is far more flexible and able to make adjustments than the Eu can and its not a small economy.... free trade deal is still best for all so the EU would be better off dropping imo its stupid and out of date demands. If its going to be stubborn and cut its nose off then so be it, we have already left and will adjust quickly enough. Eu not so much. Bring it !

 

[englishoak]

1 hour ago, samran said:

Quite....

 

Maybe I should engage in....what would you call this???

 

 A balanced assessment of both sides position as stated in that quote 4 times  ?

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Its a two way street

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both sides would be hit

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who needs the break most ? not sure tbh

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free trade deal is still best for all

it was a light hearted joke lad, you must be an Accountant or financial something,... ill get my coat... 

 

The blank spot I find with financial focused and corporate thinking people is, they tend to believe the stuff they read in their market journos, and colleagues way too much, its a great place to watch the group think appear be it bear or bull. Often its just another echo chamber once a trend sets in.  I personally never met an economist whos predictions are right that often or a financial planner or trader for that matter. if they are correct 51% of the time then they are considered to be good, flip a coin is almost as good a call most of the time. A VERY rich man taught me that. I used to get those people jobs in the city and financial planning. In my experience the best were usually apart from some exceptions simply gamblers with good intuition and smart opportunists. None could foresee the future and neither can you or I, difference between us perhaps is you base our future on globalist projections and assumptions and im basing mine on human nature and opportunity.  You believe in rigid structures and I believe in adaptability maybe  ? probably somewhere in between is the optimum tbh. 

 

Now you might say that Data can predict most anything but it clearly cant,  not yet anyway or we wouldn't have Brexit, Trump wouldn't be POTUS 

 

Too many doomers assume worst case scenarios of mountains to climb and are working on a shortsighted timeline even should it be the initial case ( which i dont believe it will be ), in another 5 years it will have been merely a bump, in 50 it will be totally meaningless. On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero,  so i dont fuss the day to day stuff and all ive said so far is, we will make things work because there is no other option. End of the day we will be fine, this isn't Suez.

 

Things will be fine and if they arnt they will be the next day or the next, life will go on and the worries will fade away to be replaced no doubt by something else..

 

If you are correct in your predictions young lad, Samran the Seer ye shall be named and all shall flock to buy your amulets..  

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by englishoak

[transam]

13 hours ago, RobFord said:

555. You’re hilarious. When I read transam I think Transexual American. 

 

James Taylor drove a 55 Chevy in Two-Lane Blacktop. 

Weeeell, your sexuallity stuff is no concern of mine sweety........????

 

Yes, my avatar is of James sitting in a 55 Chevy.....????

[transam]

13 hours ago, RobFord said:

555. In five years time when you’re crying into your beer from that soi 6 bar stool because you can’t meet Thai income requirements, please, please, please think of me. Cheers. 

Yes indeed, I will think of my shed where I keep my tools...

[transam]

4 hours ago, englishoak said:

 

In his spare time Samran also reads the financial tealeaves and tells fortunes at temple...

And..................

[englishoak]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

And..................

 

Reflective flashing balls ? Wowsie

[samran]

39 minutes ago, transam said:

And..................

Oh bless there Trans. So keen to participate in the discussion.

 

Speaking about crystal balls, how’s the Nissan investment going? You know - the ones that you guys are lauding but Nissan is denying?

 

Still, I guess what you are saying is that I should just go with the flow and just believe the two and three word slogans instead of having my own thoughts on the matter.

 

So happy hard brexit, oh, I’m sorry, Australian Trade deal! 555

[bristolboy]

15 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

The FT has a pay wall, so I can't read whatever that article is.

 

Can you show us what definitive proof you have that the continuity trade agreements we have in place "will be renegotiated soon enough once the trading partners allow the dust to settle and figure out how they can maximise their advantage"? 

 

 

Actually you can. And legitimately. Open an incognito window in Chrome and paste &search this into the search bar: UK and South Korea to sign ‘continuity free trade agreement’

 

[evadgib]

38 minutes ago, samran said:

So happy hard brexit, oh, I’m sorry, Australian Trade deal! 555

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In a clear demonstration of the strength of the enduring partnership between the UK and Australia, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab will arrive in Canberra today (6 February) as part of a four-country visit to the Asia-Pacific region.

The Foreign Secretary will hold talks with Foreign Minister Marise Payne to discuss future trade and investment opportunities and the potential for an early free trade deal. The Ministers are also expected to discuss UK co-operation with Australia in the Indo-Pacific region, opportunities to work together on global human rights issues and UK assistance to the bushfire response. A team of UK experts visited Australia last month to scope how the UK can best contribute to the response.

The Foreign Secretary will also meet Prime Minister Scott Morrison and Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment Simon Birmingham.

More:

UK aiming for early trade deal with Australia

 

Be sure to try the Marmite ????