webfact Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Covid-19: Thai nurses come up with something better than N95 masks - N99 Picture: Sanook Thai nurses at a leading university have come up with a better alternative to protect medical personnel on the front line battling the Covid-19 pandemic. Sanook reported that as cases rise continually in Thailand nurses at the Vachira faculty of medicine at Navamindradhiraj University in Bangkok have used items already available to medical staff to upgrade N95 masks. The N99 masks with filters are also known as "Cambridge Masks" and provide added protection from dust, bacteria and viruses. Dr Anan Manomaiphiboon at the uni said that the devices had been tested and would be put to use in the fight against Covid-19. Sanook called them "Thai" face masks, though the technology was developed abroad and the masks are known as "British Military Grade" in online assessments. It appears that the Thais have managed to fashion them cheaply and effectively from items that are readily available in hospital settings. Source: Sanook -- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2020-03-31 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mavideol Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, webfact said: Sanook called them "Thai" face masks, though the technology was developed abroad and the masks are known as "British Military Grade" in online assessments. called Thai masks but developed abroad AKA/called British Military Grade, why didn't they call them by that name 12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThomasThBKK Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Filters from Drägerwerke AG in germany, not british at all, based in in Lübeck, should work: https://www.draeger.com/en_uk/Products/Electrostatic-Filter as a german i autoapprove this design PS: must be really hard for journalists to actually google the thing on the picture... PS2: Obviously it's also not military grade, those are filters for ICU ventilators ..... ..... Edited March 31, 2020 by ThomasThBKK 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post edwardandtubs Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 This article is extremely confused. Cambridge Masks are just a brand of retail N99 mask and have nothing to do with what these nurses are doing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Intrepidman Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 Heck that ain't nothing... David Carradine came up with the BKK N100 mask years back 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin612 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 If no medical personnels infected, I would like to call it N99.9. 0.01 is an accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pravda Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 I'm waiting for BNK48 mask 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apophyss Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 With thai baby-size face, this mask looks to big... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post White Christmas13 Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8up_9HLo-M 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tounge Thaied Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 This is a good idea. Those Ventilator filters are likely rated at at least an N95 rating, which is 0.3 microns filtration. What would be an even better solution would be a full faced CPAP mask and then attach the same filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigStar Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Mavideol said: called Thai masks but developed abroad AKA/called British Military Grade, why didn't they call them by that name 'Cause they aren't British Military Grade, duh. Nor were they developed abroad, though the basic tech was. 1 hour ago, webfact said: nurses at the Vachira faculty of medicine at Navamindradhiraj University in Bangkok have used items already available to medical staff to upgrade N95 masks. . . . It appears that the Thais have managed to fashion them cheaply and effectively from items that are readily available in hospital settings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proboscis Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Mavideol said: called Thai masks but developed abroad AKA/called British Military Grade, why didn't they call them by that name Actually if you look at the maker name on the filter, you will find that it is Drager, the Mercedes Benz of medical equipment and yes, a German company. At a guess, what they have actually done is to take regular masks and fit the Drager filter onto them. The filter might be a spare part for a machine, such as a baby incubator, to filter the air going in to ensure that no viruses get in that way. Not sure about whether they allow sufficient air intake - the trouble is that if not, air gets in via the sides of the mask (otherwise the nurse dies through lack of oxygen!) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tounge Thaied Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Proboscis said: Actually if you look at the maker name on the filter, you will find that it is Drager, the Mercedes Benz of medical equipment and yes, a German company. At a guess, what they have actually done is to take regular masks and fit the Drager filter onto them. The filter might be a spare part for a machine, such as a baby incubator, to filter the air going in to ensure that no viruses get in that way. Not sure about whether they allow sufficient air intake - the trouble is that if not, air gets in via the sides of the mask (otherwise the nurse dies through lack of oxygen!) That's right. The filter is an add on attachment to a ventilator that filters the air as the ventilator gives a breath and then the patient exhales. Filtration occurs in both directions. It is a good point, that would need to be individually tested, to see if they can in fact take a breath sufficient enough to get oxygen in (21% oxygen in normal air). Testing would be easy, they would simply attach their pulse oximetry device to determine their oxygen percentage levels in blood while wearing the mask. Edited March 31, 2020 by Tounge Thaied 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YetAnother Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, webfact said: Thai nurses at a leading university have come up with a better alternative to protect medical personnel on the front line battling the Covid-19 pandemic. Ahh, Thai nurses, the new researchers, the old experts sleeping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post xtrnuno41 Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 7.99 dollar in China, of course you can also use water bottles to put over your head, which happens Ever wanted to wear a bra or sexy underwear, now you can as you can put it over your mouth. Or just the half of a big orange, grapefruit, mellon. People think of everything to put over there mouth/face. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Tounge Thaied said: This is a good idea. Those Ventilator filters are likely rated at at least an N95 rating, which is 0.3 microns filtration. What would be an even better solution would be a full faced CPAP mask and then attach the same filter. I can image how I would sweat under that mask in the Thai heat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tounge Thaied Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, sweatalot said: I can image how I would sweat under that mask in the Thai heat Yeah... good point. Could make wearing this impractical in the heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulambana Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mavideol said: called Thai masks but developed abroad AKA/called British Military Grade, why didn't they call them by that name Tom (truck driver), Dick (plumber), and Harry (brock layer) are unware of the fact that a patent can be given to anybody who improves an exisiting product by making it cheap using easily available alternative componenets. The saga of Tom, Dick, and Harry in the time of Corona continues... Edited March 31, 2020 by Mulambana 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, BigStar said: 'Cause they aren't British Military Grade, duh. Nor were they developed abroad, though the basic tech was. just to clarify, where did I say they WERE British Military Grade....I mention a post that you may have missed, so here it is again """" masks are known as "British Military Grade" in online assessments""" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) Would you please reference where we can find the research data to validate they are more effective against this particular airborne contaminant? yeah, that is what I thought... there are reasons why so many Thai nurses doctors and other allied HC professionals seek further training and post graduate education in the west... I would say SCBAs and full face air purifying respirators are also more effective in air contaminated environments...but they aren’t going to be used and I’ll let you figure out why... if I was still practicing in this type of environment, I would have given the staff the option of fit tight chemical goggles given the uncertainty of actual transmission (inhalation vs mucous membranes or both)...face shields better than nothing but googles are superior... Edited March 31, 2020 by cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedoc Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said: Filters from Drägerwerke AG in germany, not british at all, based in in Lübeck, should work: https://www.draeger.com/en_uk/Products/Electrostatic-Filter as a german i autoapprove this design PS: must be really hard for journalists to actually google the thing on the picture... PS2: Obviously it's also not military grade, those are filters for ICU ventilators ..... ..... read Thomas, it did not say British made. So calm down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasThBKK Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 28 minutes ago, cardinalblue said: Would you please reference where we can find the research data to validate they are more effective against this particular airborne contaminant? https://www.draeger.com/en-us_us/Hospital/Products/Accessories-and-Consumables/Ventilation-Accessories/Breathing-System-Filters-and-HME/Viral-Bacterial-Filters They are literally Viral filters... 5 minutes ago, bluedoc said: read Thomas, it did not say British made. So calm down. No idea who you are even, calling these things british military grade is just plain wrong and not mentioned at all in the original article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Mavideol said: called Thai masks but developed abroad AKA/called British Military Grade, why didn't they call them by that name National pride. The Hub of Pride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30la Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 5 hours ago, webfact said: Covid-19: Thai nurses come up with something better than N95 masks - N99 Why don't you use real gas masks ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 5 hours ago, Mavideol said: called Thai masks but developed abroad AKA/called British Military Grade, why didn't they call them by that name Face is the reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) deleted. Edited March 31, 2020 by Grusa deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said: https://www.draeger.com/en-us_us/Hospital/Products/Accessories-and-Consumables/Ventilation-Accessories/Breathing-System-Filters-and-HME/Viral-Bacterial-Filters They are literally Viral filters... No idea who you are even, calling these things british military grade is just plain wrong and not mentioned at all in the original article. Quote from the OP and the last 2 paragraphs "Sanook called them "Thai" face masks, though the technology was developed abroad and the masks are known as "British Military Grade" in online assessments. It appears that the Thais have managed to fashion them cheaply and effectively from items that are readily available in hospital settings." I put the relevant bit in bold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BigStar Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mavideol said: just to clarify, where did I say they WERE British Military Grade....I mention a post that you may have missed, so here it is again """" masks are known as "British Military Grade" in online assessments""" In addressing your puzzlement, I didn't say you said they WERE British Military Grade. The point is, nor did anyone else say they ARE. In fact, these aren't those British Military Grade masks referred to in "online assessments" from which these take inspiration. There are no "online assessments" of these masks except here--unless you wish to direct us to some. And even if there are, calling them the same as the "British Military Grade" masks, they're simply wrong. Got it now? These masks aren't officially known as "Thai masks," so you can forget all the face-saving, blah blah. A writer on a popular Thai site for the masses merely called them that, maybe even a little tongue-in-cheek. (TVF writers put their own spin on things.) And this jerry-rigging is kinda Thai, is unique (far as we know), and this name should do fine for now as reference. This mask will likely not be produced in volume but is just an attempt to scrap together a few things to alleviate the shortage of the real stuff. It isn't being claimed as some big invention. It IS kinda neat, though, and good on the Thai nurses for coming up with it. Certainly nobody here did. Edited March 31, 2020 by BigStar 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 N95, n99 - shows that the old Nokia phones do have some use... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 15 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said: Filters from Drägerwerke AG in germany, not british at all, based in in Lübeck, should work: https://www.draeger.com/en_uk/Products/Electrostatic-Filter as a german i autoapprove this design PS: must be really hard for journalists to actually google the thing on the picture... PS2: Obviously it's also not military grade, those are filters for ICU ventilators ..... ..... I must give credit where credit is due. The Germans have always been the best at detail and precision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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