3 hours ago, candide said:

Can we expect the president to call for designating rightwing extremists as terrorist organisations? ????

Have you SEEN his cabinet appointees?!?

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

With so much destruction going on he obviously was concerned.

5555!!  Yer funny!

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

With so much destruction going on he obviously was concerned.

So why didn't trump communicate with those responsible for the well being of the premises? it's blindingly obvious it was a political stunt which has been vigorously objected to by Church representatives. 

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

It’s the church of presidents ,It was set on fire by previously by protestors .

It’s 200 years old .With so much destruction going on he obviously was concerned.

There are  protests not all ,recently that have damaged historic sights

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John's_Episcopal_Church,_Lafayette_Square

https://www.wusa9.com/mobile/article/news/local/dc/st-johns-church-washington-dc-george-floyd-protest/65-6dc44732-8560-4179-91ca-0ad56b96e0c9

So all that makes his lack of decency regarding notifying the rector, his use of the a theatrical prompt regarded well by many, and disrupting protesters allegedly with tear gas, ok . Interesting.

 

10 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

So all that makes his lack of decency regarding notifying the rector, his use of the a theatrical prompt regarded well by many, and disrupting protesters allegedly with tear gas, ok . Interesting.

 

Allegedly .One other thing I don’t know if they couldn’t get a hold of the rector .It has been reported that 20 clergy from a sister parish where there protesting.Do you think it was campaigning and gloating  according to the opposition in the media

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

Allegedly .One other thing I don’t know if they couldn’t get a hold of the rector .It has been reported that 20 clergy from a sister parish where there protesting.Do you think it was campaigning and gloating  according to the opposition in the media

No . Despite the problems with religious orders, if I had to think of immediate truth, (regarding this matter) Trump or rector?? Given the dubious track record Trump has with truth and reality, I am voting for rector.

 

 

A post containing a miss-quote in that the quoted content was attributed to the wrong member has been removed as well as the replies. 

On 6/4/2020 at 5:42 PM, riclag said:

Allegedly .One other thing I don’t know if they couldn’t get a hold of the rector .It has been reported that 20 clergy from a sister parish where there protesting.Do you think it was campaigning and gloating  according to the opposition in the media

 

what should it matter if the white house couldn't "get a hold" of the rector?  the church is close enough for an old man to walk the distance.  surely they could have sent a staffer......to ask......permission.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/bishop-budde-trump-church/2020/06/01/20ca70f8-a466-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html

 

photo from washington post

 

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Allegedly .One other thing I don’t know if they couldn’t get a hold of the rector .It has been reported that 20 clergy from a sister parish where there protesting.Do you think it was campaigning and gloating  according to the opposition in the media

Wow. Just wow. 
 

There is grasping at straws...and then there is your post! 

Isrcccccc. 

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

what should it matter if the white house couldn't "get a hold" of the rector?  the church is close enough for an old man to walk the distance.  surely they could have sent a staffer......to ask......permission.

 

https://voicesofmontereybay.org/2020/06/02/caught-in-a-spiritual-crossfire/

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/bishop-budde-trump-church/2020/06/01/20ca70f8-a466-11ea-b619-3f9133bbb482_story.html

 

photo from washington post

 

I can’t read one source it s behind a paywall .The other is a .org which is a opinion .I don’t need a .org to voice my opinion!.

For 3   -1/2 years its the same old same old with the opposition

Facts that I know  it’s the church of the presidents,  it was set afire by protesters and it’s historical.

Just these 3 facts are enough for a American  patriot to act  and make a statement

19 minutes ago, riclag said:

Isrcccccc. 

I can’t read one source it s behind a paywall .The other is a .org which is a opinion .I don’t need a .org to voice my opinion!.

For 3   -1/2 years its the same old same old with the opposition

Facts that I know  it’s the church of the presidents,  it was set afire by protesters and it’s historical.

Just these 3 facts are enough for a American  patriot to act  and make a statement

that's strange!  wapo opened for me this afternoon.  maybe depends on which vpn location is used.

 

don't mind the .org extension.  the article does include some interesting facts and interviews.

 

but if you insist, here's a .com you can read.  as an american patriot, you would be forgiven for believing the president's preference to use a church for a photo op trumps the first amendment rights of mere citizens.

 

https://www.axios.com/st-johns-church-trump-visit-bible-george-floyd-2d7013fa-337c-42ef-9d1d-2acffbe59bbb.html

 

another dot com for your perusal:

 

Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John’s church near White House

 

https://religionnews.com/2020/06/02/ahead-of-trump-bible-photo-op-police-forcibly-expel-priest-from-st-johns-church-near-white-house/

 

 

2 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

that's strange!  wapo opened for me this afternoon.  maybe depends on which vpn location is used.

 

don't mind the .org extension.  the article does include some interesting facts and interviews.

 

but if you insist, here's a .com you can read.  as an american patriot, you would be forgiven for believing the president's preference to use a church for a photo op trumps the first amendment rights of mere citizens.

 

https://www.axios.com/st-johns-church-trump-visit-bible-george-floyd-2d7013fa-337c-42ef-9d1d-2acffbe59bbb.html

 

another dot com for your perusal:

 

Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John’s church near White House

 

https://religionnews.com/2020/06/02/ahead-of-trump-bible-photo-op-police-forcibly-expel-priest-from-st-johns-church-near-white-house/

 

 

The religousnews article used a rector from  group of 20 fellow rector protestors that weren’t even part of that church! Lol Imop Her comments seem very bias and suspicious especially her lack of concern of the police being the recipients of being pelted by projectiles  and bottles as reported by the WH press secretary and the link below .

This article was mistaken it has been disputed that there was no tear gas or rubber bullets used.

 

“No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park,” Monahan said via a release from the National Park Service.

https://wtop.com/dc/2020/06/some-clarity-a-day-after-reports-of-tear-gas-in-lafayette-square-but-questions-remain/

Let’s make this easy the whole world respects peaceful protests but not adhering to law enforcement direction isn’t recommended .We can also agree that the whole world is in step with the sad and disturbing  events that proceeded the protests and violence .To this day with hundreds of years of discussions about hate and here it is again and again

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

The religousnews article used a rector from  group of 20 fellow rector protestors that weren’t even part of that church! Lol Imop Her comments seem very bias and suspicious especially her lack of concern of the police being the recipients of being pelted by projectiles  and bottles as reported by the WH press secretary and the link below .

This article was mistaken it has been disputed that there was no tear gas or rubber bullets used.

 

“No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park,” Monahan said via a release from the National Park Service.

https://wtop.com/dc/2020/06/some-clarity-a-day-after-reports-of-tear-gas-in-lafayette-square-but-questions-remain/

 

don't we have video and photos of the assault on the first amendment?  i'm afraid we're going to have to parse the man's words!

 

why did he not state "no tear gas was used" and leave it there?  why specifically by uspp and assisting partners?  that implies tear gas WAS used, but by some other organization.  was it national guard, metro police, some of the troops running around dc without unit patches or name tags?

 

and does the "area at lafayette park" include the (private?) church grounds?  google maps tells me the church grounds are across the street (H ST NW) from lafayette park, so maybe not.  the church is part of lafayette square historic district, but is it not owned by the diocese or parish?

 

https://stjohns-dc.org/

 

kinda devious if video shows teargas and other means being used at the church, but the park service guy says "my guys didn't use tear gas at the park."

 

 

did i say parse his words?  i meant parse his words.

 

no tear gas was used = we used smoke canisters and pepper balls

 

approved video below from inside edition.  nice punch in the face for the australian newslady!  take that, first amendment!

 

 

Well, Trump's big supporters and enablers seem to understand him best, it would seem... ????

 

"I think he's a kook," Sen. Lindsey Graham said of Trump. "I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office."

"Donald Trump is a delusional narcissist and an orange-faced windbag," Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul said.

"Whatever lie he's telling, at that minute he believes it ... the man is utterly amoral," Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said of Trump.

11 hours ago, riclag said:

Isrcccccc. 

I can’t read one source it s behind a paywall .The other is a .org which is a opinion .I don’t need a .org to voice my opinion!.

For 3   -1/2 years its the same old same old with the opposition

Facts that I know  it’s the church of the presidents,  it was set afire by protesters and it’s historical.

Just these 3 facts are enough for a American  patriot to act  and make a statement

.org doesn't have to be an opinion, can be commercial, news, etc. Since you conclude it is an opinion, I conclude you did open but didn't like.

And no, protesters didn't set the church on fire. And please refrain from that idiotic 'we're the patriots, anybody who doesn't agree is the enemy' refrain.

9 hours ago, riclag said:

The religousnews article used a rector from  group of 20 fellow rector protestors that weren’t even part of that church! Lol Imop Her comments seem very bias and suspicious especially her lack of concern of the police being the recipients of being pelted by projectiles  and bottles as reported by the WH press secretary and the link below .

This article was mistaken it has been disputed that there was no tear gas or rubber bullets used.

 

“No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park,” Monahan said via a release from the National Park Service.

https://wtop.com/dc/2020/06/some-clarity-a-day-after-reports-of-tear-gas-in-lafayette-square-but-questions-remain/

Let’s make this easy the whole world respects peaceful protests but not adhering to law enforcement direction isn’t recommended .We can also agree that the whole world is in step with the sad and disturbing  events that proceeded the protests and violence .To this day with hundreds of years of discussions about hate and here it is again and again

How anyone can post this with videos with teargas all over the world seen is beyond me.

Trump finally gets his wall !

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/trump-built-wall-around-himself/612664/

26 minutes ago, sonos99 said:

Trump finally gets his wall !

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/trump-built-wall-around-himself/612664/

Compare and contrast

________________________-

Ronald Reagan "Tear down that wall"

 

Donald Trump ".........."

___________________________

Putin - sent in soldiers with unmarked uniforms to Ukraine

 

Trump - unindentified, uniformed, armed men on the streets of Washington.

___________________________

PH

"Protesters sue Trump and Barr over ousting from Lafayette Square. The demonstrators allege violation of their First and Fourth Amendment rights."

They filed the suit in D.C. federal court, and it was assigned to Judge Dabney Friedrich, who was appointed by Trump in 2017. They are suing for violation of First Amendment rights to free speech and assembly, as well as Fourth Amendment rights to freedom from unreasonable seizure.

 

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

How anyone can post this with videos with teargas all over the world seen is beyond me.

The claim is that it wasn't tear gas , just smoke bombs or something 

Off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

...and now this >>> https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/celebrities-respond-to-video-of-buffalo-police-shoving-75-year-old-man/amp/

AP "Twitter disables Trump campaign's George Floyd video tribute"

Twitter has blocked a Trump campaign video tribute to George Floyd over a copyright claim, in a move that adds to tensions between the social media platform and the U.S. president, one of its most widely followed users.

Is it only me who has realised the great humanitarians like the UNHCR, Amnesty International, etc.'s deafening silence? Or have I missed their news?

4 hours ago, ravip said:

Is it only me who has realised the great humanitarians like the UNHCR, Amnesty International, etc.'s deafening silence? Or have I missed their news?

 

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/06/usa-president-trump-tramples-right-to-protest/

 

*

 

The UNHCR is the UN's Refugee Agency.

 

https://www.unhcr.org/asia/what-we-do.html

"We strive to ensure that everyone has the right to seek asylum and find safe refuge in another State, with the option to eventually return home, integrate or resettle.

During times of displacement, we provide critical emergency assistance in the form of clean water, sanitation and healthcare, as well as shelter, blankets, household goods and sometimes food. We also arrange transport and assistance packages for people who return home, and income-generating projects for those who resettle."

 

 - I don't think that they have a dog in this race.

 

On 6/5/2020 at 2:27 PM, CorpusChristie said:

The claim is that it wasn't tear gas , just smoke bombs or something 

Oh please.

 

https://gazette.com/ap/washington/ap-fact-check-trump-denies-tear-gas-use-despite-evidence/article_f3690cd4-233e-5283-8523-3ab9a96d7e25.html

 

He did what dictators do.

Gas his own citizens peacefully protesting.

 

Now the USA has no credibility criticizing other countries violation of basic freedoms and human rights. Nice work!

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Oh please.

 

https://gazette.com/ap/washington/ap-fact-check-trump-denies-tear-gas-use-despite-evidence/article_f3690cd4-233e-5283-8523-3ab9a96d7e25.html

 

He did what dictators do.

Gas his own citizens peacefully protesting.

 

Now the USA has no credibility criticizing other countries violation of basic freedoms and human rights. Nice work!

 

 

 

It is a cynical action to use the church, the bible, as "tough on crime act" as an election stunt, done for his evangelical heartland.

He has no empathy for those peacefully protesting against injustice.

 

 

On 6/5/2020 at 5:27 PM, CorpusChristie said:

The claim is that it wasn't tear gas , just smoke bombs or something 

Good strategy to make people cough and splutter and possible spread clouds of viral particles into the atmosphere, irritate the lungs of those who may be asymptomatic carriers. MAGA

My state prohibits public or private gatherings of 10 or more people in the name of public health but they are issuing permits for protests where hundreds gather elbow to elbow. The late spring weather is beautiful. The protests are like a get out of shutdown free card.