One Year Extention (non Imm 'o')

[RasiMike]

The 'RasiMike' family are about to visit Krungthep and want to avoid the blues, mainly because we have a busy/busy time ahead ......registering birth/foreign citizenship/ 2nd installment in spouse visa process for Aust (oh, happy days), /obtain baby passports/etc etc etc..... all at the same time, with our 3 week old and 2 year old 'in tow'.

Personally, I have to visit Suan Plu, if indeed the next rule changes, relating to farang/aliens under 50, without a business, happen to wait a year, so....

We have the usual documents:- marriage/birth/house reg/passport/various photos, as well as the new 'proof of income' from Aust Embassy/statements of regular withdrawl of these funds via Bangkok Bank ATM in our 'home' town, etc etc etc......

As we originally settled here for the 'sabai' life, I want to ensure that this next few weeks is not too stressfull for the little family so... has anyone in a similar situation had personal experience in recent weeks?

If so, am I missing anything?

Mike

[Mahout Angrit]

If so, am I missing anything?

Dunno...... but I am.......what is your question

[RasiMike]

If so, am I missing anything?

Dunno...... but I am.......what is your question

Yeah, yeah... seriously though, do I need the stool samples. girth measurements etc... in order to qualify for visiting rights?

As to whether or not I'm missing something..... How the <deleted> would I know ... the little lady is expecting any day now?

Out of bounds, comes to mind.......

Anyway, what else (in experienced opinions), is needed?

Mike

[samran]

Thai passport is easy enough for your kiddies if they have Thai BC, are registered on the Tabieen Ban and you and your wife are present at the passport office with all your ID. Very quick and painless. You can wait 3 days to pick it up, or the can courier it to you. Passport fee is a little over 1000 baht.

Aussie passports for the kiddies involves two stages. 1) Registering the little one 2) getting the passport.

The most essential step for both, you'll need the childs Thai BC translated into English and certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. VERY important.

For the aussie citizenship by decent application, check out the australian embassy website. It is especially important that you find out close to the time what amount you'll need to pay in THB, as it changes every couple of days depending on the THB/AUD exchange rate. (fees are in aussie dollars, but you pay in baht - less than $100 if I recall correctly).

For the citizenship application you'll need your Australian citizenship credentials, PP, birth certificate, plus the little ones Thai birth certificate identifying you as the father. You'll probably need your wifes vital documents as well, plus wedding certificates etc. Pay the fee and wait 10 days, and they'll be registered as an Australian citizen. You do this at the immigration section of the embassy.

Once you have the certificate of Australian citizenship by decent, you can then trot down the hall to the consular section, where you need to apply for bubs Australian passport. You'll need all of the above documentation. A good tip is that when you are applying for citizenship (ie the previous step), pick up the PP application form and carefully fill it in noting EXACTLY what evidence you need. It isn't quite the same (actually more rigorous) than getting the citizenship certificate. You'll also need to hunt down an Australian citizen who can put on the form that they know your little ones. Wait another 10 days, but they should be able to courier the passport to your home, for a fee of course. Passports are about $160 these days.

All the best. It took the best part of a 3 weeks for we had our bubs Thai and Aussie documentation in order. Not brain surgery, but a bit of running around.

[Nawtilus]

If you are getting photos for passports, get them done at the kodak shop just up the road from Oz embassy, they know the Oz requirements and will spend the time to make sure they are exact and acceptable. The Oz embassy does refuse them if not correct.

They are in the building, ground floor, near the sukkothai entrance . Cannot remember name, but think it is the same building which is the big flat skinny one on sathorn, with the restaurant in the rooftop and the open air section at the very top of the tower, very recognisable building in that area.

[samran]

If you are getting photos for passports, get them done at the kodak shop just up the road from Oz embassy, they know the Oz requirements and will spend the time to make sure they are exact and acceptable. The Oz embassy does refuse them if not correct.

They are in the building, ground floor, near the sukkothai entrance . Cannot remember name, but think it is the same building which is the big flat skinny one on sathorn, with the restaurant in the rooftop and the open air section at the very top of the tower, very recognisable building in that area.

thai wah tower 1. Look for the UOB bank, and then go in a little futher down the hall and the photo shop is on the left. Good call, Nawtilus. The Aussies have exacting PP photo requirements.

For the Thai PP, don't worry, they have camera's on site.

[RasiMike]

Thai passport is easy enough for your kiddies if they have Thai BC, are registered on the Tabieen Ban and you and your wife are present at the passport office with all your ID. Very quick and painless. You can wait 3 days to pick it up, or the can courier it to you. Passport fee is a little over 1000 baht.

Aussie passports for the kiddies involves two stages. 1) Registering the little one 2) getting the passport.

The most essential step for both, you'll need the childs Thai BC translated into English and certified by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. VERY important.

For the aussie citizenship by decent application, check out the australian embassy website. It is especially important that you find out close to the time what amount you'll need to pay in THB, as it changes every couple of days depending on the THB/AUD exchange rate. (fees are in aussie dollars, but you pay in baht - less than $100 if I recall correctly).

For the citizenship application you'll need your Australian citizenship credentials, PP, birth certificate, plus the little ones Thai birth certificate identifying you as the father. You'll probably need your wifes vital documents as well, plus wedding certificates etc. Pay the fee and wait 10 days, and they'll be registered as an Australian citizen. You do this at the immigration section of the embassy.

Once you have the certificate of Australian citizenship by decent, you can then trot down the hall to the consular section, where you need to apply for bubs Australian passport. You'll need all of the above documentation. A good tip is that when you are applying for citizenship (ie the previous step), pick up the PP application form and carefully fill it in noting EXACTLY what evidence you need. It isn't quite the same (actually more rigorous) than getting the citizenship certificate. You'll also need to hunt down an Australian citizen who can put on the form that they know your little ones. Wait another 10 days, but they should be able to courier the passport to your home, for a fee of course. Passports are about $160 these days.

All the best. It took the best part of a 3 weeks for we had our bubs Thai and Aussie documentation in order. Not brain surgery, but a bit of running around.

Samran, I thank you for your imput.

I will have all the relevent documentation. ie. BC and translation (certified by Thai consulate), and a mother/Aust grandmother visiting and able to fill out statutory dec. (according to regulations) on the new arrival, and other relevant paperwork for consular affairs organised.

Older son already has the dual passport/citizenship in order, and has travelled to and fro extensively on both. (Done it all before).

Mum/wife also has been and returned on a few occasions.

The new arrival (1-2 weeks) is no problem according to 'The man' at Aust embassy BKK, providing we have relevent documents etc.

My initial post was regarding Thai imm...... Is there anything else, (I might have overlooked in my first post), I will/may require?

The Aussie side of things is a no-brainer, I agree, however as it is a "bit of running around" ......outside of Thai immigration and my particular visa application.

I don't want to prolong the process for me and mine, by turning up in Bangkok ,for longer than nessasary, and having to do more running around for Thai imm. (Considering we will have a very small individual to cart here and there).

I'm hoping that as I wait for my 30 day approval on extention for Thailand to come through the rest of the 'stuff' with Aust embassy will be completed.... We can then return to our 'Sabai' life....... until next time.

Mike

[samran]

no wukkers mike, I wasn't sure if you were asking about both you and the kids, or just you.

I'm sure some of the more experienced ones with Thai spouses (under the new rules) will chime in shortly.

[lopburi3]

I have tried - really - to understand. I don't know if my cadence is off or just too many generation gaps. But I still do not have a clue what was being asked in the first post. Perhaps if you put it in other words one time people can respond better.

[samran]

I have tried - really - to understand. I don't know if my cadence is off or just too many generation gaps. But I still do not have a clue what was being asked in the first post. Perhaps if you put it in other words one time people can respond better.

lop, gleaned through old posts, and I think mike is living up north, on an O visa extension for being married to Thai wife. I get the feeling that this is his first extension under the new rules, and just wants to be sure of how the rules should apply to him now.

I think you are the best qualified to answer that out of both of us....

[lopburi3]

If that is the case you will need to meet the 40k family income which means proof of more than 40k between wife/husband for previous three months. Believe immigration want last years tax return for local income and overseas would require verification by Embassy letter.

You visit immigration together (with wife) with passport, arrival card, wife id card, wife home register, income proof(s) and probably they will still want to see a bank account and letter from bank confirming current account balance. First time will also likely require photos together and should show clothing stored together and house number to support your living together. Copies of everything. Fill out form TM.7 (you can download or do at office). Pay 1,900 baht filing fee. You should receive a 30 day under review extension of stay and when you return receive the full period to your last entry into Thailand. Your visit to file the TM.7 will be your first 90 day address report so every 90 days thereafter you need to file a TM.47 if inside Thailand.

[RasiMike]

Ahh, too many points and not enough questions, apparently.

Lop 3, you may be on to something about generation gap...

Anyhow, not my first time, but the first under the new rules. So....

.1. We have no longer have a Thai bank account, but withdraw more than the required 40k/month from a Aust acc. via a Thai ATM (all relevent statements, mini statements etc ).

.2. All other relevant paperwork is covered.... as I am preparing for the application, not for the first time, but the first time under the NEW RULES.

.3. I have done the 1 yr extention, 90 day reporting, dual citizenship for dependent, in years past .

The question is regarding the current 1 yr extention 'rules'- are there any suprises I should plan for.....from those who have had recent experience?

ie:

- Australians (with new 'proof of income' stat dec. from the Aust Embassy).

-with first hand experience who do live 'up north' with their wife/kids.

- have applied in the past few weeks/months for 1yr extentions at Suan Plu, Bangkok

- are on non-imm 'o' ,Thai wife visas

[Nawtilus]

My Imm officer told me to get married last week, I said dont want to, she said why not, I said mai loo, she laughed and said 'I know why".

I would like to hear what the Oz embassy does re verification of income...what do they need to see exactly and what do they suply for verification purposes and what they charge for it ??

[lopburi3]

If income the only change is that now it can be from either partner and there is a three month proof period being phased in (do not believe it is strictly enforced yet for those already in system).

If you used the 400k bank income you would probably have wanted to continue to keep the grandfather clause alive.

I must say I am surprised that they have allowed you to not have a bank account and proof of receipt/spending and a bank letter confirming account balance. Believe most officials treat that as a requirement and had not known of anyone obtaining extension without it. But under new rules this may not be as much a factor so you are probably OK.

[RasiMike]

My Imm officer told me to get married last week, I said dont want to, she said why not, I said mai loo, she laughed and said 'I know why".

I would like to hear what the Oz embassy does re verification of income...what do they need to see exactly and what do they suply for verification purposes and what they charge for it ??

They say the statutory declaration is 'your word' the truth behind it is up to you.

However.... the small print at the bottom is worth reading.

[RasiMike]

If income the only change is that now it can be from either partner and there is a three month proof period being phased in (do not believe it is strictly enforced yet for those already in system).

If you used the 400k bank income you would probably have wanted to continue to keep the grandfather clause alive.

I must say I am surprised that they have allowed you to not have a bank account and proof of receipt/spending and a bank letter confirming account balance. Believe most officials treat that as a requirement and had not known of anyone obtaining extension without it. But under new rules this may not be as much a factor so you are probably OK.

In the past, I did have a bank account here in Thailand with the 400k + in order to meet the extention requirements. I still may have a few thousand in it, however the rest of the funds have gone towards the wife and kids' house, living etc.

Last year the family and I were in Australia for a few months and the previous non-imm 'o' expired while we were there.

I went to apply for a new non-imm 'o' (multi) in Brisbane, and was informed of the new ruling (40k/mth) and quickly ran around re-organising aussie accounts/accountant etc in order to qualify. The official at the Thai consulate specificaly stated that "funds in a Thai account is no longer an option" for my situation - due to having 'broken' the old visa I was no longer 'grandfathered'.

Based on the Thai consular officials' statement, I have no longer used the Thai bank account. I simply withdraw funds bi-monthly (upward of 40k/mth), from an Aussie account, via a Bkk Bank ATM since re-entering Thailand.

The term 'transfer' has been used in numerous threads relating to the new ruling, so...

.1. Is it the case, that the overseas income must be transfered into a Thai account, or just used in Thailand?

.2. If the Thai account is a must, can I do one visa run (based on my multi entry 'o') in order to get another 90 days? Then...

.3. Start a new 3 month period of deposits into the Thai account from Australia and then re-apply for extension at 90days?

mike

[importford]

If that is the case you will need to meet the 40k family income which means proof of more than 40k between wife/husband for previous three months. Believe immigration want last years tax return for local income and overseas would require verification by Embassy letter.

You visit immigration together (with wife) with passport, arrival card, wife id card, wife home register, income proof(s) and probably they will still want to see a bank account and letter from bank confirming current account balance. First time will also likely require photos together and should show clothing stored together and house number to support your living together. Copies of everything. Fill out form TM.7 (you can download or do at office). Pay 1,900 baht filing fee. You should receive a 30 day under review extension of stay and when you return receive the full period to your last entry into Thailand. Your visit to file the TM.7 will be your first 90 day address report so every 90 days thereafter you need to file a TM.47 if inside Thailand.

Lopburi,

I just came back to Thailand with a new Non immigrant O 90 days visa based on marriage.

All my paperwork is ready and I will get next week the letter of my embassy for my 40.000/month income.

I have every paper you mentioned above (except the pictures of the clothing, we have separate wardrobes!)

But I have been searching the forum and I get different answers:

What is the law exactly when I have to go to the Immigration office to apply for the 1 year extension????

Is there a law?

Some people write here to go 1 month before the expire day of my visa, other people say 2 weeks, other people say 1 week,...

1) What is the law?

Can I wait until the last week before expire day??

2) I have to fill in TM.7 and have to pay 1900 baht filing fee.

This will give me again 30 days if I am correct.

How many times can they do this? How many times can they let me pay 1900 baht for only 30 days???

Is there a law for this???

[lopburi3]

1. They prefer to see you between 3 and 4 weeks before you permission to stay expires. This is to allow you time to supply any missing paperwork. They will normally not allow more than a month early but will allow up to expiration date. There is no advantage to wait until the last minute as the extension period starts from entry into country so you gain nothing.

2. You fill out the TM.7 and pay the fee one time. On this type of extension they normally have a 30 day under review period and stamp for that - it should not take longer these days but if it does they would continue to stamp until it is either approved or disapproved. There is no further fee involved.

One thing to remember if you plan to travel is the a re-entry permit is only valid until the end of the current permitted to stay stamp so if you get a 30 day under review and don't plan travel during those 30 days you don't want to obtain a re-entry permit. Once you get the full extension of stay (and if you travel often) the multi entry re-entry might make sense.