Overstay

[Redhawk]

Hello there

My name is Oliver and I did find this great site yesterday on the net.

I am a german citizen, 44 years old, living in Nakhon Ratchasima for about 6 years now. I do hold a non immigrant -o- visa, multiple entries, valid one year, issued in Singapore. ( birth certificate and paternity authentication )

For years it was possible to get a non -o- with only the birth certificate since late 2004 you do need also a paternity authentication which I obtained within 3 month last year through the familiy court over here.

It was not very hard or expensive as I have been warned by some immigration officers and I did that all on myself without a lawyer. Sadly the paternity does not enables you anymore to the same status as married one.

This for the introduction and " hello everybody."

My questiosn are as follows.

I did wait longer as expected for a new passport, old one is full but still valid as the visa non -o- within too, till august 2007.

Having a 10 day overstay is it preferable to pay the fee for the overstay in advance here at Nakhon Ratchasima Immigration or to travel straight to the cambodian border and pay there on departure?

Do I have to expect some problems wanting to travel forth and back the same day?

Will the immigration during entering the kiongdom rely on my visa in the old but valid passport for granting me a stay of 90 days under the non -o- status?

How do I transfer a valid visa from one pasport to another?

In case of an overstay is it mandatory, leaving the country freely on myself paying the fee on departure, not beeing detainded and or deported,

to travel back to your home country or am I free to leave to wherever I want?

If some could have an answer for me I would be very thankful.

Thank's in advance, great site.

[lopburi3]

Do not attempt to exit by a land border as the odds would not be with you to have a pleasant experience.

You are likely to be checked on transport and arrested/tried/deported. If you make it to border and pay your fine Cambodia has rejected arrival of persons with overstay stamps recently and you are then detained on return to Thailand with no Cambodian exit stamp and transported to Bangkok for deportation. Exit by air (to Singapore or Malaysia would be least expensive) and then return using your old passport visa.

Visas are not transferred but current stay is supposed to be transferred into new passport (but suspect you may not have done that). Another reason to use airport as others (without overstay) have reported no problem there.

You are not required to travel to your home country.

Again, do not try to use a land crossing into Cambodia.

[Redhawk]

Do not attempt to exit by a land border as the odds would not be with you to have a pleasant experience.

You are likely to be checked on transport and arrested/tried/deported. If you make it to border and pay your fine Cambodia has rejected arrival of persons with overstay stamps recently and you are then detained on return to Thailand with no Cambodian exit stamp and transported to Bangkok for deportation. Exit by air (to Singapore or Malaysia would be least expensive) and then return using your old passport visa.

Visas are not transferred but current stay is supposed to be transferred into new passport (but suspect you may not have done that). Another reason to use airport as others (without overstay) have reported no problem there.

You are not required to travel to your home country.

Again, do not try to use a land crossing into Cambodia.

Hi

Thank you very much for your detailed answer on taht, I appreciate that. Thank's

[cali4995]

Do not attempt to exit by a land border as the odds would not be with you to have a pleasant experience.

You are likely to be checked on transport and arrested/tried/deported. If you make it to border and pay your fine Cambodia has rejected arrival of persons with overstay stamps recently and you are then detained on return to Thailand with no Cambodian exit stamp and transported to Bangkok for deportation. Exit by air (to Singapore or Malaysia would be least expensive) and then return using your old passport visa.

Visas are not transferred but current stay is supposed to be transferred into new passport (but suspect you may not have done that). Another reason to use airport as others (without overstay) have reported no problem there.

You are not required to travel to your home country.

Again, do not try to use a land crossing into Cambodia.

Hi

Thank you very much for your detailed answer on taht, I appreciate that. Thank's

in the april 16th issue of pattayatoday there appeared an article starting on the front page outlining difficulties foreigners were encountering at the cambodian border, you can read online version.

http://www.pattayatoday.net/

Edited April 20, 2007 by cali4995

[Redhawk]

Do not attempt to exit by a land border as the odds would not be with you to have a pleasant experience.

You are likely to be checked on transport and arrested/tried/deported. If you make it to border and pay your fine Cambodia has rejected arrival of persons with overstay stamps recently and you are then detained on return to Thailand with no Cambodian exit stamp and transported to Bangkok for deportation. Exit by air (to Singapore or Malaysia would be least expensive) and then return using your old passport visa.

Visas are not transferred but current stay is supposed to be transferred into new passport (but suspect you may not have done that). Another reason to use airport as others (without overstay) have reported no problem there.

You are not required to travel to your home country.

Again, do not try to use a land crossing into Cambodia.

Hi

Thank you very much for your detailed answer on taht, I appreciate that. Thank's

in the april 16th issue of pattayatoday there appeared an article starting on the front page outlining difficulties foreigners were encountering at the cambodian border, you can read online version.

http://www.pattayatoday.net/

Hi there

Thank's everyone for the info and help so far, I will take the airport option.

What is still bothering me a bit is, would anyone assume to see a problem to return on the same day from Singapore with the overstay stamp in the passport?

[lopburi3]

I do not believe you will have a problem with the non immigrant visa you hold to obtain a new entry after the overstay. Have not seen anyone report a problem in return except for those on long overstays where the overstay time was considered as part of the 90 day visa free entry total.

[Redhawk]

I do not believe you will have a problem with the non immigrant visa you hold to obtain a new entry after the overstay. Have not seen anyone report a problem in return except for those on long overstays where the overstay time was considered as part of the 90 day visa free entry total.

Thank you very much. I'll take the tour beginning next week and report back how it worked out. On the day of departure it will be 10 days of overstay.

Thank's again here to everyone, great site, top information and help, great colleagues, will check in on a daily routine.

[Redhawk]

Just want to tell everyone here that everything went well that time. Thank's alot to everybody for the help.

Great site by all means.

[Crossy]

Redhawk. Great to see that all went well

A question for you. You talk about paternity and birth certificate, does this imply that one of your parents is Thai? If so you should be able to get a Thai passport and solve all your visa issues.

Obviously I could be completely off track here, ignore if so

[astral]

Sadly the paternity does not enables you anymore to the same status as married one.

I think he means he is the father of a Thai child, but not married to the mother.

1. The overstay.

Flying out seems to be the safest approach.

2. A new passport does not invalidate the multi-entry Non Imm Visa in your old passport,

assuming the visa has not expired. On your next entry fill in the form with the details of your new passport

but quoting the number of the visa in the old passport. Hand both passports to the Immigration officer.

[Redhawk]

Sadly the paternity does not enables you anymore to the same status as married one.

I think he means he is the father of a Thai child, but not married to the mother.

1. The overstay.

Flying out seems to be the safest approach.

2. A new passport does not invalidate the multi-entry Non Imm Visa in your old passport,

assuming the visa has not expired. On your next entry fill in the form with the details of your new passport

but quoting the number of the visa in the old passport. Hand both passports to the Immigration officer.

Hello there

I am a german citizen and have a companion in life, the mother of our three years old daughter. We are living together for the last 7 years. Nakhon Ratchasima.

For the last 10 years I did hold Non Immigrant -O- Visas. I was married once before to a thai citizen as well.

Till 2005 it was possible to get my yearly Non -O- by presenting the birth certificate at the Embassy, here the Thai Embassy in Singapore. Lately 2005 I was told in Singapore that the birth certificate is no longer enough to be enabled for a Non -O- Visa with multiple entries and you also do need to have acknowledgement of paternity ruled and issued by a Thai Court and the registry office at your residence.

I managed to get the paternity certificate, it took about 3 month, it is advisable to talk the thai language because the whole check in advance before going to the court and the youth welfare office as the trial itself too is to be held in thai language and you do need to answer the qustion in the thai language.

That is no problem for myself as I do talk Thai fluently.

With the birth certificate and the acknowledgemet of paternity, both to be translated into English I travelled again to Singapore and got my new NON-O- valid one year, multiple entries.

I run this whole process by myself because some lawyers bill you up to 20.000 Baht for the paternity.

On my last visit to Bangkok Immigration Office, April 2007, I was told that it is no longer possible to get a one year residence based on a non immigrant visa, even with the paternity certificate, like it is still issued to married couples.

It is allowed to take legal action against this new law but the expectation to win the case is quite small as the officers told me, they were all very friendly and answered all my questions.

To my opinion I am not enabled to apply for thai passport in this case.

Thanks for the tipps regarding my old and new passport and the still valid NON I. -O- Visa.