Child in Thailand but not married

[pikao]

A friend of mine (Austrian) wants to come to Thailand. He's under 50, not married and has a child with a Thai lady. The boy has dual nationality. Don't know what type of visa he had before (Thai child?) but he had to leave the country every 3 months. Would he have to go back to Austria after 3 months or could he extend his permission of stay within Thailand?

Thanks in advance

[ubonjoe]

He could apply for a one year extension of stay based upon being the parent of a Thai. To apply for it he would need to be the legal father of his child by way of marriage or legitimization of his parenthood.

He would need 400k baht in a Thai bank for proof of 40 baht income.

He can also apply for a 60 day extension to visit his child. For it he does not need to be the legal father of his child.

[pikao]

1 minute ago, ubonjoe said:

He could apply for a one year extension of stay based upon being the parent of a Thai.

 

I think, that's what he did before

 

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

To apply for it he would need to be the legal father of his child by way of marriage or legitimization of his parenthood.

 

He is the legal father, but they don't want to marry. Would he have to leave after 3 months? ...because he usually lives here. So the 60 days version is not an option for him. Not sure, but I think he has a re-entry permit, as he wanted to come earlier.

His worries now are, that if goes to quarantine (money, airfare) he wouldn't be able to extend his permission of stay

[fishtank]

A one year extension of stay does not need leaving the country every 90 days.

Report to Immigration every 90 days.

[ubonjoe]

27 minutes ago, pikao said:

He is the legal father, but they don't want to marry.

He is not the legal father until his parenthood is legitimized. His name on his child's birth certificate does not make him the legal father of his child.

See this topic. https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/381917-how-to-gain-parental-rights-as-a-father/

 

27 minutes ago, pikao said:

So the 60 days version is not an option for him.

That would be a option to give him more time to apply for the one year extension near the end the 60 days.

 

[teacherclaire]

Why don't you tell your friend to Google all the posts about the current situation?

 

    He must have had a Non-O ME from Sawannakhet, but this option is gone. 

 

    He's under 50, that's not retirement age, he'll need a lot of money to come to Thailand and then talk to the gf to help him to get the needed documents.

 

     If he doesn't have a good income source, he should rethink it all.

 

Thailand isn't as cheap as it was some years ago. 

 

   

[stretch5163]

2 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

Why don't you tell your friend to Google all the posts about the current situation?

 

    He must have had a Non-O ME from Sawannakhet, but this option is gone. 

 

    He's under 50, that's not retirement age, he'll need a lot of money to come to Thailand and then talk to the gf to help him to get the needed documents.

 

     If he doesn't have a good income source, he should rethink it all.

 

Thailand isn't as cheap as it was some years ago. 

 

   

You say that the Non-O ME option from Savahnakhet is gone is this permenantly gone and been announced officially as no longer ever available ?

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, stretch5163 said:

You say that the Non-O ME option from Savahnakhet is gone is this permenantly gone and been announced officially as no longer ever available ?

It is unavailable now due to the borders being closed. After they open it will be possible again.

[teacherclaire]

46 minutes ago, stretch5163 said:

You say that the Non-O ME option from Savahnakhet is gone is this permenantly gone and been announced officially as no longer ever available ?

It's gone for now because the borders are closed and I do not think that they will continue the way they did before.

 

   That's not backed up by Immigration/Consulate, just a feeling. 

Edited December 6, 2020 by teacherclaire

[teacherclaire]

41 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It is unavailable now due to the borders being closed. After they open it will be possible again.

Sorry, we must have typed at the same time. That would be great for so many people.

 

   One can only hope, once the COVID 19 extensions are over. 

[BritTim]

5 hours ago, teacherclaire said:

Why don't you tell your friend to Google all the posts about the current situation?

 

    He must have had a Non-O ME from Sawannakhet, but this option is gone. 

 

    He's under 50, that's not retirement age, he'll need a lot of money to come to Thailand and then talk to the gf to help him to get the needed documents.

 

     If he doesn't have a good income source, he should rethink it all.

 

Thailand isn't as cheap as it was some years ago. 

 

I appreciate that some are of the view that if you do not have a good income, but have a child in Thailand, the logical solution is to abandon the child rather than try to live here on a low income. I consider that a very cold (possibly even immoral) attitude. It is natural for many fathers that they wish to raise their children, even if it is not easy to do so. When fathers abandon their children in their home countries, they are usually criticised for doing so. Why is it different because they happened to father a child abroad?

[beecher]

Both parent names on the child’s birth certificate is all that is required for entry as a parent of a Thai child

[Sumarianson]

He can go the parent route but it is a hastle with a lot of paperwork. Also the child and the mother would have to show up at Immigration. The mother will have to support the application. Advisable to get the legal parent document at the Amphur. You have to take the mother and child and they both have to sign the declaration. It is far less hastle to apply for a retirement visa but 800,000 has to be put in the bank min 2 months prior to application in Thailand.

[harpman88]

Hi all,I got back to Thailand in November after being stuck in the US for 6 months due to Covid. Anyway, then needing a visa,,I was issued a Non Imm "O" visa from the Thai Embassy in the US based on being the parent of a Thai (he'll be 14 yrs in April, Mom,myself,and our son all have lived together since he was born), I also had a valid reentry permit from my existing OA retirement extension (expiring Feb.11 2021)., I entered Thailand using the 90 day "O" which expires on Feb.19.  One reason I wanted the "O" in the 1st place was to rid myself of the OA for good. Since selling my condo in 2019 (I'm in Chiang Mai), I've had well over 800K baht in my Thai bank acct. OK, 1st of all,does the mere fact that I entered Thailand on Nov.22 on the 'O" visa effectively negate the existing OA? ,or before applying for a 365 day extension from the "O" will I have to formally cancel it at CM Imm.? Also,since the "O" visa was issued based on being the parent of a Thai child (a minor,), will I be obligated to apply for the extension based on that,

 (Mom would be willing to do so), or since Ive had well over 800K baht in the bank since 2019 ,could I just start a new retirement extension based on the "O'? ,which ,of course,would be the easiest (I hope) option. Big thanks in advance to all who can provide helpful info.Harp 88

[BritTim]

2 hours ago, harpman88 said:

Hi all,I got back to Thailand in November after being stuck in the US for 6 months due to Covid. Anyway, then needing a visa,,I was issued a Non Imm "O" visa from the Thai Embassy in the US based on being the parent of a Thai (he'll be 14 yrs in April, Mom,myself,and our son all have lived together since he was born), I also had a valid reentry permit from my existing OA retirement extension (expiring Feb.11 2021)., I entered Thailand using the 90 day "O" which expires on Feb.19.  One reason I wanted the "O" in the 1st place was to rid myself of the OA for good. Since selling my condo in 2019 (I'm in Chiang Mai), I've had well over 800K baht in my Thai bank acct. OK, 1st of all,does the mere fact that I entered Thailand on Nov.22 on the 'O" visa effectively negate the existing OA? ,or before applying for a 365 day extension from the "O" will I have to formally cancel it at CM Imm.? Also,since the "O" visa was issued based on being the parent of a Thai child (a minor,), will I be obligated to apply for the extension based on that,

 (Mom would be willing to do so), or since Ive had well over 800K baht in the bank since 2019 ,could I just start a new retirement extension based on the "O'? ,which ,of course,would be the easiest (I hope) option. Big thanks in advance to all who can provide helpful info.Harp 88

Entering Thailand using the Non O visa makes the earlier extension (based on the original Non O-A visa) and reentry permit moot. The important point is that you have a permission to stay based on the Non O. Your prior history of entries and extensions is irrelevant. Usually, an extension based on retirement of the permission to stay from the Non O visa should be allowed. Some immigration offices may try to be difficult saying that the reason for the entry was to visit your Thai child, and the retirement extension is inappropriate, but that is not supported by the written regulations.

[ubonjoe]

11 hours ago, harpman88 said:

Hi all,I got back to Thailand in November after being stuck in the US for 6 months due to Covid. Anyway, then needing a visa,,I was issued a Non Imm "O" visa from the Thai Embassy in the US based on being the parent of a Thai (he'll be 14 yrs in April,

I replied to a post you did in this topic. https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1200501-if-non-o-retirement-extension-expires-during-asq-quarantine-repat-flights-only/?do=findComment&comment=16151412

Your post here stating your child is 14 confirms you can have your easily parenthood legalized at a Amphoe.

 

[NanLaew]

On 12/6/2020 at 6:39 PM, teacherclaire said:

On 12/6/2020 at 5:54 PM, stretch5163 said:

You say that the Non-O ME option from Savahnakhet is gone is this permenantly gone and been announced officially as no longer ever available ?

It's gone for now because the borders are closed and I do not think that they will continue the way they did before.

 

   That's not backed up by Immigration/Consulate, just a feeling. 

 

Bt the same token, nobody expected the visa-exempt entry to be reinstated but it has. I gave up second-guessing these guys years ago.

[harpman88]

3 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

I replied to a post you did in this topic. https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1200501-if-non-o-retirement-extension-expires-during-asq-quarantine-repat-flights-only/?do=findComment&comment=16151412

Your post here stating your child is 14 confirms you can have your easily parenthood legalized at a Amphoe.

 

Thanks,Joe,I I did see your reply on the other thread.Just FYI, on the visa itself it only states that it's a single entry Non-Imm "O" visa, no mention of it being based on parent of Thai,retirement ,or what have you.(Of course,I realize CM.Imm. could find that out easily enough. )

[harpman88]

19 hours ago, BritTim said:

Entering Thailand using the Non O visa makes the earlier extension (based on the original Non O-A visa) and reentry permit moot. The important point is that you have a permission to stay based on the Non O. Your prior history of entries and extensions is irrelevant. Usually, an extension based on retirement of the permission to stay from the Non O visa should be allowed. Some immigration offices may try to be difficult saying that the reason for the entry was to visit your Thai child, and the retirement extension is inappropriate, but that is not supported by the written regulations.

Thanks Tim,I was very happy to see that merely by entering using the O visa that, in and of itself, killed off the OA,  It'll be interesting, to say the least, to see what CM Imm. tells me when I try to extend the visa based on retirement,especially given the fact that both single entry TVs,(which,of course,can be converted to an O) and Non Imm Os based on retirement started being issued less than a month left the US./arrived in Thailand.