Help, My Isp Just Decided Today To Block All Torrents

[DamianMavis]

Today the internet guys were messing around in my building and when the internet came back up all my torrent downloading in Azureus was blocked and I cant even access a torrent file on the internet to download it for Azureus or any other client. I tried a bunch of torrent sites before I realised they were all being blocked. Is there a workaround for this or am I going to have to move to a new apartment building that doesnt have a stupid ISP?

Damian

[A_Traveller]

Note, all the ISP's reserve the right to lock out services. Torrent sites, whilst accounting for less than 5% of net request generate 45%+ of net traffic. Originally MaxNet I think it was explicitly stated that p2p was not guaranteed supported with their public packages. Which ISP is your building using, or is the building management itself doing this?

Regards

[DamianMavis]

Im pretty sure we just changed ISP's today, there was a new login screen today when I logged on, didnt pay attention to the new name. How could the building management make these changes? Do other countries have ISP's blocking torrents? Seems outrageous to me... why pay tons extra for super highspeed and not be able to download anything?

Damian

[A_Traveller]

Take a look here about other places.

p2p is one of the real problem areas for systems which have limited bandwidth, and high contention rating, i.e. Thailand

Regards

BBC Report Thread

/edit typo _add clarification//

Edited June 19, 2007 by A_Traveller

[Rice_King]

Im pretty sure we just changed ISP's today, there was a new login screen today when I logged on, didnt pay attention to the new name.

Sounds like the building management upgrading or changing their IT "sub-contractor" to me.

How could the building management make these changes?

By employing HotSpot software like HotSpot Manager, provides the building management this capability.

You can vote on their great service with your wallet and your feet.

Edited June 20, 2007 by Rice_King

[bartender100]

I've mentioned this before try rapidshare much faster and all the same content

[monty]

This will always be a sore point on shared connections.

I assume your building has internet supply and then has a validation system to allow only people online who have a valid username/password (ie only the people who pay). These systems also do bandwidth shaping, so that no one user can eat up all the bandwidth.

They might limit speed to individual users at 512kbps while their main feed is 2048kbps (probably the max they can get). Even then if only 4 people in the building are using p2p, with lots of high seeded downloads, all the speed will be gone with all other users stuck with lower then dial up speed when trying to watch a website or check there e-mails!

I think they not necessarily changed ISP but at least the software so they can block out P2P, resulting in everybody having a chance for decent usable speeds...

In your case your only solution would be to get a direct contract with an ISP out there, and go for a small business package as opposed to the el-cheapo home packages. Then you have the line for yourself!

[TAWP]

They might limit speed to individual users at 512kbps while their main feed is 2048kbps (probably the max they can get). Even then if only 4 people in the building are using p2p, with lots of high seeded downloads, all the speed will be gone with all other users stuck with lower then dial up speed when trying to watch a website or check there e-mails!

You are incorrect in that someone currently using the bandwidth to a high extent will block out others that are comming online, as email-grabbing and surfing is done in spikes, and only giving them very slow speeds. Infact, every client will be alloted a proportional piece of the bandwidth and if it's slow for one, it's slow for everyone - and that would indicate that the total current available bandwidth is too small.

[lomatopo]

Can you elaborate on your network configuration? Providing as much detail as possible may result in a decent work=around.

Who is your ISP?

Do you have a dedicated DSL line and your own router? Or do you have a direct ethernet connection?

What is your current IP address, just the first number set is fine.

This is pure conjecture but I'm guessing you are on a private network so completely out of luck when it comes to accessing special services which require manipulation and management of the network interface device.

u-Torrent, a Bit Torrent client, does support encryption which may allow some traffic to pass through blockers and shapers.

Have you reviewed the terms and conditions of your contract for internet services? Have you asked specifically about torrents?

[Veazer]

They might limit speed to individual users at 512kbps while their main feed is 2048kbps (probably the max they can get). Even then if only 4 people in the building are using p2p, with lots of high seeded downloads, all the speed will be gone with all other users stuck with lower then dial up speed when trying to watch a website or check there e-mails!

You are incorrect in that someone currently using the bandwidth to a high extent will block out others that are comming online, as email-grabbing and surfing is done in spikes, and only giving them very slow speeds. Infact, every client will be alloted a proportional piece of the bandwidth and if it's slow for one, it's slow for everyone - and that would indicate that the total current available bandwidth is too small.

I've encountered many scenarios in agreement with what Monty is saying. An improperly managed connection simply allots bandwidth proportionally per connection rather than per user. If someone has 80+ P2P connections your web surfing and email will suffer because they will control far more of the bandwidth.

The bandwidth should be managed as you noted, but often isn't.

[rambling]

Almost all ISP's in the region do traffic shaping and throttling. Some use more severe traffic policing techniques. There are ways around some of their methods such as using proxies, forcing encryption protocols (within the torrent client) and anonymizing tools (such as Tor networks).

Please note some of these bypassing methods may not be legal, use at your own risk.

Im pretty sure we just changed ISP's today, there was a new login screen today when I logged on, didnt pay attention to the new name. How could the building management make these changes? Do other countries have ISP's blocking torrents? Seems outrageous to me... why pay tons extra for super highspeed and not be able to download anything?

Damian

[DamianMavis]

Ya today when I logged on I paid attention to the new login company name and its rules, the name is I Access and the last rule is NO TORRENTS.... so there's the answer. I'm going to look into getting a true line directly to my room, the only problem is getting my own phone line, should that be a problem?

Damian

[A_Traveller]

Ya today when I logged on I paid attention to the new login company name and its rules, the name is I Access and the last rule is NO TORRENTS.... so there's the answer. I'm going to look into getting a true line directly to my room, the only problem is getting my own phone line, should that be a problem?

Damian

If you are renting direct from the building and not an owner, remember that the building management has to help with that, so it's worth keeping in mind when dealing with them. A direct line needs a Thai entity, {building or owner}.

Regards

[lomatopo]

Ya today when I logged on I paid attention to the new login company name and its rules, the name is I Access and the last rule is NO TORRENTS.... so there's the answer. I'm going to look into getting a true line directly to my room, the only problem is getting my own phone line, should that be a problem?

Damian

This is what I assumed. Even if torrents weren't blocked you have no capability to configure the router so are unable to forward the required port.

It would really help if you could describe your current network set-up. What cables connect to your PC? Do you use a browser window to log-on to your network? What is your current IP address, just the first set?

How many units in your building? Do you have a telephone in your apartment now? Perhaps you do but have to dial a 9 to get an outside line?

Chances are that there is an ADSL capable line running from a PABX in your building into your room. It could be relatively easy to pull another TOT/True fixed line into the building and cross-connect that to the line to your room. (Alternatively you could use one of the several fixed lines terminating at the PABX and cross-connect it around the PABX. This is what we do in my building.) Then you could get ADSL service on that fixed line with an ADSL Modem/Router in your room, which you could configure as your applications require.

[DamianMavis]

Hi, ya we use a browser window to log on with username and password, yes we have phones and yes we dial 9 to get out. I have my phone line connected to a tiny modem that connects to my usb on my pc.

There's about 40 units in my building, Im hoping it will be possible to get that line in..... I really hope.

Damian

[A_Traveller]

Hi, ya we use a browser window to log on with username and password, yes we have phones and yes we dial 9 to get out. I have my phone line connected to a tiny modem that connects to my usb on my pc.

There's about 40 units in my building, Im hoping it will be possible to get that line in..... I really hope.

Damian

On that basis ask the building management what it will cost for a direct line. However, there are a few things, if you only have a short term contract there, they may not be willing to provide one, I recall the fixed line requirement is often an annual contract, and the line will require a Thai entity to 'own' it.

Ask first and see what reply you get.

Regards

[DamianMavis]

Ya I'm wating for an answer, been living here 3 years and have no intention of moving so hope they accomodate me.

Damian

[stumonster]

you could always check to see if CDMA or some other form of mobile connection is available and get a monthly unlimited package for that , 800kbits down would suit your torrenting needs

[MarkBKK]

... I recall the fixed line requirement is often an annual contract, and the line will require a Thai entity to 'own' it ...

Not saying you're wrong, but I got a ToT line installed in my (rented) house with just a passport. Needed a WP for the broadband though.

[sniffdog]

I had both a True and a TOT line installed in my apartment (600+ rooms). They installed them without a problem after checking with the owner of the building.

Was on my GF's name ....

[lomatopo]

you could always check to see if CDMA or some other form of mobile connection is available and get a monthly unlimited package for that , 800kbits down would suit your torrenting needs

I doubt this will work, you are on a private network with all satellite, mobile data solutions and thus unable to forward ports and are subject to much more stringent limitations.

The battle between ISPs and users re: P2P will continue until everyone will be paying as you go.

[Steele404]

ISPs are blocking known P2P ports, which are generally common in bitTorrent Azureus, etc...

Try manually set the port to 60,000 and upwards.

Default torrent ports are 6881-6889 .... ISPs known this and block these

[nikster]

you could always check to see if CDMA or some other form of mobile connection is available and get a monthly unlimited package for that , 800kbits down would suit your torrenting needs

Nope, in BKK you are stuck with Hutch and way lower speeds... CDMO 1x, no EV-DO on Hutch. Besides, CDMA is crap for torrenting, upload speeds are very low even for EV-DO.

[clokwise]

I've mentioned this before try rapidshare much faster and all the same content

Shhhhhh...... the less said about this the better.

[jeffer]

Is there really much point in responding to a year old post by a banned poster, even if he was one of the more interesting and entertaining posters on this forum?

[A_Traveller]

^ Just to point out DM was not banned for any transgression, he asked for his account to be terminated owing to issues with the Pai thread. Apparently, the forum software doesn't provide for an account to be determined, only 'banned' and he asked for this to be done.

Regards

[klikster]

^ Just to point out DM was not banned for any transgression, he asked for his account to be terminated owing to issues with the Pai thread. Apparently, the forum software doesn't provide for an account to be determined, only 'banned' and he asked for this to be done.

Regards

Then good for him. I remember that thread. I see threads on this forum that make me ashamed to be a farang. Any way to get in touch with DM by email?

Edited May 31, 2008 by klikster

[A_Traveller]

^ PM'd you.

Regards

[PMK]

you could always check to see if CDMA or some other form of mobile connection is available and get a monthly unlimited package for that , 800kbits down would suit your torrenting needs

I was given to understand that torrents are not possible on any mobile connection. Was that wrong?