Death In Rayong

[bendix]

Perhaps a discussion about the relative merits of the 'system', the grief or perceived lack of it of teachers, and the rights and wrongs of the hospital turning her away could be reserved for another thread. As someone else said, it would be nice to leave this thread a bit more respectful.

[Scott]

My condolences to the friends, family, classmates and teachers. Sad for all.

[solent01]

People, why when someone dies, do we have to turn it into the same debate?

Thailand is not perfect, by doing this we loose the impact of the original post, people die, when they should not, but none of us can change that, so instead of debating over the fact, can we not just pay our respects. A life has been lost yet again because of inept, we all know that, but why keep saying the same things time and time again.

Because its relevant to anyone living here. You or yours could end up involved in something like this tomorrow, unfortunately. "Paying your respects" here is a never ending task because of all the needless lives lost due to negligence, carelessness, and buddhist / animist fatalism. Its a cultural deficiency and a cop-out, and costs this country dearly in human / natural resources and the resultant social problems that ensue.

My respects go out to the poor lass's family.

Yes Mr K, I totally understand the fact, and when I was watching the news I looked at my little one, and thought what if, and yes tears came to my eyes, so please, don't ever try and preach again to me.

Read again what I have said, then read again what has been said before my post, and search it. Too many times this forum goes through the same gut moving posts, by the same people, over the same topic, yes it's sad, and yes it bring tears, but how many more bloody times are we going to go over the same thing? If you think you can make the change, then please, I beg you, do it, fact is you can't, no one can all the time this is a Bhudist country. How can we teach safety, all the time they are thinking about the next life Some of you people forget this about Thailand, so you want to moan and greave and make the rest of us try to change the nation we are apart of? Get real, you are in Thailand, a Bhudist nation, people die, yes its sad, even more so when it's a kid. But this is not our country, don't press your views of life and death upon it...................

Sorry Rant over.

When you have actually lost friends; staff; and family over many years here due to base stupidity and irresponsible behaviour you're welcome to foist your flaky half-arsed opinions on me again. There are other "Bhudist" countries that don't have the appalling attitude towards safety and responsibility that exists here.

Believe it or not, at least in the industrial sectors I work in, big changes and improvements have been made in the realms of safety and awareness of the costs of selfish, irresponsible behaviour.

Its an education thing.

Please Mr K, lets not argue over this, the thread, and the piont I am making, is that yet again a life has been lost, yet the forum is going into debate over it. I understand your thoughts, as I am sure you do mine, this is not the place, good day.

[kmart]

Ok. No problem.

[Naam]

The hospital needs to be held accountable, otherwise the system is a joke.

The driver must be found and prosecited, otherwise the system is a joke.

your demands are very much justified Jimmy. unfortunately the prevailing system deems them to be jokes.

[meemiathai]

Is it know why Rayong hospital would not treat her?

Here in HK, private hospitals will not treat trauma cases.

[Mai Krap]

Mai Krap, I agree with your sentiments up until the US flag waving, I think if you looked you would see that the same level of care is available in much of Europe and Canada. And often at a fraction of the price the uninsured pay in the US. But most systems have serious flaws which can Be traced back to astronomical prices charged by the medical industry. But no flaws can excuse what happened here.

A hospital refusing care to a trauma case is murder.

No flag waving here, just pointing out the facts. While America has it wrong on many fronts, treatment on the scene of accidents is not one of them. Small countries in Europe cannot be compared in this matter because of geography and numbers of people, China? Russia? They are not on the same page.

I see no offense on criticizing the system on this thread. A child has been dealt a horrible hand by a double dealing system. I see it often, more often than i can handle spiritually. Maybe some of those reading will chose to speak up or take action as all is certainly not well.

While I understand death from untreated cancer and long term illness, bleeding to death in the back of truck in a country that boasts of seeking VIP tourists is just well beyond wrong. Not to mention the horrible care I see at the boxing matches I frequent, A national sport with no medical standards, 0.

This case saddens me but knowing it will happen again angers me.

[mellow1]

I feel very bad for this young girl, for her family, and friends.This is every parent's nightmare.

Some people feel that only giving condolences, is the proper way to go on this thread.Personally,voicing outrage would seem the way to go.It may wake up some of the brain dead people out there,and help bring about change.I drive my son to and from school everyday,because I fear the state of mind, which some of the bus drivers may have.I see them running red lights,with buses so overloaded with children they look like a human weeping willows ready to do a wheelly.This morning such a bus stopped in front of the local public school,half in the regular lane,and half in the bus stop lane.The students then came off the bus,like water overflowing from a glass,right onto the highway.Before yesterday,there was a motorcycle accident there.There still isn't anyone there protecting students,nor the general public from their stupidity.Yes it's true we cannot directly change most things here,but pointing out serious errors cant hurt as much as their consequences.As far as flashing lights on an ambulance,no one knows what they are for,along with turn signals,and traffic lights.Make sure you keep this quiet too.We wouldn't want to impose stupid farang thoughts on the country.As for believing in coming back to a better life once your dead.I have yet to see, a mad rush, by any of the local destitute population, to commit suicide in order to make this belief come true.It never ceases to amaze me how the USA can be brought into subjects in order to try and debase it.I hope the author will never find himself in a simular situation as this poor girl,and wishing with all his might, that he may indeed be in the USA. so that his life may be saved.

[pokoal2000]

I was told that Rayong hospital did not treat the girl , because they have no specialist doctor for head injury.

I just had a private message to close this story.

I don’t understand your reasoning. What is wrong with that story? You have stories on forum, all the time bashing the culture and the people and you keep that on. This is a genuine story and nothing wrong with people knowing about it. I don’t understand why you have people arguing about something like that. Weird.

Alex

[tijnebijn]

RIP. Very sad to hear this , the roads in Thailand are the most dangerous and most highly chance(to get hurt or worse) from any other possibility in this country. I feel with you OP.

[peter991]

My condolences to the girl's family - and to the original poster, who is no doubt grieving over the loss of one of his students.

Being almost the only farang in a remote Issan village - I get lots of waves and smiles from the locals - but one thing which does SCARE me -- is the sight of dozens of school children who ride on the ROOF of overcrowded buses in Issan (on the road between Chum Phae and Udon Thani).

Peter

[November Rain]

I was told that Rayong hospital did not treat the girl , because they have no specialist doctor for head injury.

I'm so sorry to hear about this accident & the loss of a young, talented life.

It seems from your above quote that the hospital did not have the right specialists to deal with this kind of trauma. In that case, they would have been worried about causing more harm to the child. It is sad that their decision to send her elsewhere resulted in her death. Having said that, if she had been treated by someone less than qualified, the outcome would very likely have been the same. A difficult decision to make, but it's likely that they really believed they were acting in her best interests.

My condolences to her family.

[spectrum]

I don't think Buddhism excuses certain behaviours that can be observed here. I do think materialism may be rather more to blame.

What is the chicken, and what is the egg here ? Reckless behaviour, "cheapness" of life, & belief in "fate" ... I can see one might need to view life as disposable if responsible driving is not a high consideration & lives are needlessly lost with such frequency.

I also wonder how many people refuse to wear a helmet because they don't wish to muss their hair ?

[astral]

My condolences.

I would have thought that Rayong would have a good provincial hospital

without resorting to the private sector in Pattaya.

Truly appalling.

[pokoal2000]

Found out today that they are 3 more girls from the crash in Pattaya hospital, 12 years old, two are on critical list one is improving. All with head injuries. As to wearing helmets on the motorbike, I made leaflets (in Thai) about statistics of road fatalities as a resort of not wearing helmet and I pointed out that it would be good example for the pupils, if teachers started wearing head protection. Nobody took any notice and it was treated as a big joke. You can’t win; they think they know better .

[observer21]

People, why when someone dies, do we have to turn it into the same debate?

Thailand is not perfect, by doing this we loose the impact of the original post, people die, when they should not, but none of us can change that, so instead of debating over the fact, can we not just pay our respects. A life has been lost yet again because of inept, we all know that, but why keep saying the same things time and time again.

Debating is a healthy way to help us understand what might have went wrong, and thus enlighten people, and hopefully move forward.  Pay your respects by all means.

But dont suppose that this girls family will get any comfort from what you write on this forum.  At the end of the day those of us whom have never met this poor girl wont lose any sleep - so lets not pretend.  Debate is healthy and normal.  Say a little pray in private by all means, but dont join the 'holyer than thou' club - it is condisending!

Edited June 28, 2007 by observer21

[pokoal2000]

People, why when someone dies, do we have to turn it into the same debate?

Thailand is not perfect, by doing this we loose the impact of the original post, people die, when they should not, but none of us can change that, so instead of debating over the fact, can we not just pay our respects. A life has been lost yet again because of inept, we all know that, but why keep saying the same things time and time again.

Debating is a healthy way to help us understand what might have went wrong, and thus enlighten people, and hopefully move forward. Pay your respects by all means.

But dont suppose that this girls family will get any comfort from what you write on this forum. At the end of the day those of us whom have never met this poor girl wont lose any sleep - so lets not pretend. Debate is healthy and normal. Say a little pray in private by all means, but dont join the 'holyer than thou' club - it is condisending!

I don’t expect anything from this story .I just though that you maybe interested to know. I know that you did not known the girl, and I don’t expect you to loose any sleep over it.

Alex