First police report in Tyre Nichols case does not match video of deadly beating

[Scott]

 

CNN  — 

An initial police report filed in the hours after the Tyre Nichols traffic stop suggested he was violent and made claims that were contradicted by video later released by police.

Nichols was subdued on the ground yet continuously beaten after the stop by Memphis police on January 7. He died three days later.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/31/us/tyre-nichols-investigation-tuesday

[ozimoron]

And the right wing think the left are woke because they want to defund the police. Go figure, those guys were just badged murderers. They need to increase funding to rework the entire police culture and purge the criminals in uniform.

Edited January 31, 2023 by ozimoron

[Credo]

A Badge should never be a Shield from accountability.   

 

[Homburg]

Is there a country anywhere in the world where a police account would match the video evidence? 

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, Homburg said:

Is there a country anywhere in the world where a police account would match the video evidence? 

Sad deflection.

[Bangkok Barry]

In Thailand they merely scam you for money. In the US they kill you, sometimes even while knowing they are being filmed.

[The Old Bull]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

And the right wing think the left are woke because they want to defund the police. Go figure, those guys were just badged murderers. They need to increase funding to rework the entire police culture and purge the criminals in uniform.

The war on drugs has been a failure. Time to remove the funds used for enforcement and spend them elsewhere on treatment and education. May not work but spending more on something that has failed is ludicrous and spending more is crazyer.

[Stargeezr]

Well unlike Thailand these officers will be charged with murder and will spend at least a few years in jail. Of course they have not been through the court system yet, so hopefully I am not wrong about this.

  

[Hanaguma]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

And the right wing think the left are woke because they want to defund the police. Go figure, those guys were just badged murderers. They need to increase funding to rework the entire police culture and purge the criminals in uniform.

As a card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, I am going to have to go ahead and agree with you completely.  

 

Naming a police unit "Scorpions"?  Sounds more like a gang name to me than a group of men who will protect the public from crime. You are right, the mindset of policing needs to change, as well as the training.  

[JonnyF]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

And the right wing think the left are woke because they want to defund the police. Go figure, those guys were just badged murderers. They need to increase funding to rework the entire police culture and purge the criminals in uniform.

Until now, police brutality has just been another reason for the left to scream Racism, and then go looting.

 

If anything good can come from this, it must be the realization that the issue is with the culture, attitude and training of the American Police force, irrespective of the race of the police officers or the victim.

[Bkk Brian]

There can be little doubt that training, resources and overall management of this so called "Scorpion" unit was diabolical, to call them a professional team engaging in specialist police work is a farce. So long as they got an arrest that's all they worried about. 

 

However there's also no doubt that if you ignore the racial and cultural elements that can be present you again miss the opportunity to address the whole rather than just the above.

 

"Tyre Nichols death: 'Undertone of racist policing' in Scorpion unit, says family lawyer"

https://news.sky.com/video/tyre-nichols-death-undertone-of-racist-policing-in-scorpion-unit-says-family-lawyer-12798138

 

"researchers say racism in policing doesn't just exist on an individual level, but a systemic one, and Nichols' death is an example of this. Experts say racism can be seen in policing policies and attitudes, which have adverse effects on communities of color."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tyre-nichols-case-diversity-policing-address-police-brutality/story?id=96768457

 

"Tyre Nichols' death sparks conversation about race and policing

Former NYPD Assistant Commissioner Keith Taylor and Professor at Brooklyn Law Alexis Hoag-Fordjour join "CBS Mornings" to discuss the renewed debate over race and policing in this country after the death of Tyre Nichols."

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tyre-nichols-death-sparks-conversation-about-race-and-policing/#x

 

"2020 study conducted by Harvard and Northeastern University found that, in situations in which civilians pose little to no threat to police, as was the case with Floyd, Castile, and Gurley, Black Americans are three times more likely to be killed than white Americans. Policing in this country has a general, population-wide problem with violence, but that violence is also disproportionately directed at Black people."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-killing-of-tyre-nichols-and-the-issue-of-race

 

 

 

 

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

There can be little doubt that training, resources and overall management of this so called "Scorpion" unit was diabolical, to call them a professional team engaging in specialist police work is a farce. So long as they got an arrest that's all they worried about. 

 

However there's also no doubt that if you ignore the racial and cultural elements that can be present you again miss the opportunity to address the whole rather than just the above.

 

"Tyre Nichols death: 'Undertone of racist policing' in Scorpion unit, says family lawyer"

https://news.sky.com/video/tyre-nichols-death-undertone-of-racist-policing-in-scorpion-unit-says-family-lawyer-12798138

 

"researchers say racism in policing doesn't just exist on an individual level, but a systemic one, and Nichols' death is an example of this. Experts say racism can be seen in policing policies and attitudes, which have adverse effects on communities of color."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/tyre-nichols-case-diversity-policing-address-police-brutality/story?id=96768457

 

"Tyre Nichols' death sparks conversation about race and policing

Former NYPD Assistant Commissioner Keith Taylor and Professor at Brooklyn Law Alexis Hoag-Fordjour join "CBS Mornings" to discuss the renewed debate over race and policing in this country after the death of Tyre Nichols."

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/tyre-nichols-death-sparks-conversation-about-race-and-policing/#x

 

"2020 study conducted by Harvard and Northeastern University found that, in situations in which civilians pose little to no threat to police, as was the case with Floyd, Castile, and Gurley, Black Americans are three times more likely to be killed than white Americans. Policing in this country has a general, population-wide problem with violence, but that violence is also disproportionately directed at Black people."

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-killing-of-tyre-nichols-and-the-issue-of-race

 

 

 

 

Brian, the real problem is police violence in general, not the race element. The police kill about 1,000 civilians every year. Of those, about 14 are unarmed black people.

 

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice

 

Black Americans are also more than 10 times more likely to be victims of homicide in general, and most often at the hands of another black person.  Another point that gets ignored in the stampede to paint this as a racial problem. 

 

Black cops kill a black man in a majority black city with a black police chief and a black mayor, and the most important issue is race?!?  Come on, man.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Brian, the real problem is police violence in general, not the race element. The police kill about 1,000 civilians every year. Of those, about 14 are unarmed black people.

 

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/police-black-killings-homicide-rates-race-injustice

 

Black Americans are also more than 10 times more likely to be victims of homicide in general, and most often at the hands of another black person.  Another point that gets ignored in the stampede to paint this as a racial problem. 

 

Black cops kill a black man in a majority black city with a black police chief and a black mayor, and the most important issue is race?!?  Come on, man.

Another point that gets ignored in the stampede to paint this as a racial problem. 

Black cops kill a black man in a majority black city with a black police chief and a black mayor, and the most important issue is race?!?  Come on, man.

 

Nobody is stampeding to call this a racial problem where did you get that from?

Where in my post did it mention that the most important issue was race? It clearly didn't if you read it again.

 

Don't misrepresent what I said, its pretty clear there is a multitude of problems.

 

 

[placnx]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

As a card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, I am going to have to go ahead and agree with you completely.  

 

Naming a police unit "Scorpions"?  Sounds more like a gang name to me than a group of men who will protect the public from crime. You are right, the mindset of policing needs to change, as well as the training.  

It will be interesting to learn the background of these wayward cops. People with an authoritarian bent are not good candidates for community policing, so more care should be taken in hiring people who have served in the military, where the "us vs them" mentality is perhaps understandable after posting in Afghanistan or Iraq.

 

Maybe existing policemen should be individually and thoroughly examined by psychiatrists to determine whether they are fit to be in contact with the public.

[Hanaguma]

1 minute ago, placnx said:

It will be interesting to learn the background of these wayward cops. People with an authoritarian bent are not good candidates for community policing, so more care should be taken in hiring people who have served in the military, where the "us vs them" mentality is perhaps understandable after posting in Afghanistan or Iraq.

 

Maybe existing policemen should be individually and thoroughly examined by psychiatrists to determine whether they are fit to be in contact with the public.

I agree. The idea that military vets would be good cops is ludicrous.  The job of the military is to break things and kill people. These are not exactly tenets of good law enforcement. Civilians are not The Enemy of police, they are the employers of police.  

[Hanaguma]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another point that gets ignored in the stampede to paint this as a racial problem. 

Black cops kill a black man in a majority black city with a black police chief and a black mayor, and the most important issue is race?!?  Come on, man.

 

Nobody is stampeding to call this a racial problem where did you get that from?

Where in my post did it mention that the most important issue was race? It clearly didn't if you read it again.

 

Don't misrepresent what I said, its pretty clear there is a multitude of problems.

 

 

If you see media reports it is popping up constantly- that race is the issue even with black on black murder like this.  

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html

[JonnyF]

22 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Black Americans are also more than 10 times more likely to be victims of homicide in general, and most often at the hands of another black person.  Another point that gets ignored in the stampede to paint this as a racial problem. 

The left paint everything as a racial problem. The fact that a black man kills another black man makes no difference to them, they'll still blame it on racism. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

 

The word is so overused and misused that it has become meaningless, I just roll my eyes when I hear it now. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

If you see media reports it is popping up constantly- that race is the issue even with black on black murder like this.  

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html

I guess its an aspect of the problem that you'd rather be blind to. I had already stated in my post 

 

"There can be little doubt that training, resources and overall management of this so called "Scorpion" unit was diabolical, to call them a professional team engaging in specialist police work is a farce. So long as they got an arrest that's all they worried about."

 

From the CNN link: Stricter oversight is needed — regardless of the race of the officers

 

[Phoenix Rising]

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

As a card carrying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, I am going to have to go ahead and agree with you completely.  

 

Naming a police unit "Scorpions"?  Sounds more like a gang name to me than a group of men who will protect the public from crime. You are right, the mindset of policing needs to change, as well as the training.  

Quite right, the police in the US are woefully under-educated. There should be national minimum standards that far exceed today's paltry requirements.

 

How US police training compares with the rest of the world

 

"There are around 18,000 police agencies in the US, but with no national standards on training, procedures and timescales vary across the country.

On average, US officers spend around 21 weeks training before they are qualified to go on patrol.

That is far less than in most other developed countries."

[Thingamabob]

5 hours ago, The Old Bull said:

The war on drugs has been a failure. Time to remove the funds used for enforcement and spend them elsewhere on treatment and education. May not work but spending more on something that has failed is ludicrous and spending more is crazyer.

Well said.

[riclag]

“Not a training issue its a personnel issue !

They were bad cops”!

They are trained to ask questions before they pull people out of their cars , that didn’t happen here.

another fact ,

Police departments are having issues with hiring and keeping officers. To many societal reasons that are attributable to this.

 

Nobody deserves the beating this guy got.
Still digesting this and happy to see the loons didnt come out in droves and create more tensions, mayhem and harm .

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dan-bongino-rips-bad-cops-tyre-nichols-beating-death-no-excuses-such-bad-personnel

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/02/us/police-departments-struggle-recruit-retain-officers/index.html

Edited February 1, 2023 by riclag

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

“Not a training issue its a personnel issue !

They were bad cops”!

They are trained to ask questions before they pull people out of their cars , that didn’t happen here.

another fact ,

Police departments are having issues with hiring and keeping officers. To many societal reasons that are attributable to this.

 

Nobody deserves the beating this guy got.
Still digesting this and happy to see the loons didnt come out in droves and create more tensions, mayhem and harm .

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dan-bongino-rips-bad-cops-tyre-nichols-beating-death-no-excuses-such-bad-personnel

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/02/us/police-departments-struggle-recruit-retain-officers/index.html

They are trained to ask questions before they pull people out of their cars , that didn’t happen here.

another fact ,

 

Correct:

White Cop Who Wanted Colleagues to ‘Stomp’ Tyre Nichols Is Suspended

Nichols family attorney Ben Crump said it was Hemphill who violently pulled Nichols from his car while striking him with a taser during an initial traffic stop—something clearly captured by body-cam footage released by authorities on Friday night.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/memphis-police-officer-preston-hemphill-disciplined-over-tyre-nichols-death

 

[pomchop]

5 big beefy looking "highly trained" cops could not constrain one skinny looking guy who is on the ground?  Maybe they should handcuff or zip lock him or throw a net over him instead of pepper spray him in the face and later taser him.  Incompetence on display.

 

I mean look at the victim does he appear to be Rambo or something? And no reports of him having any weapons,  Pitiful excuse for supposedly highly trained cops...but then again it appears their goal was not to constrain him but to use him as some sort of macho man punching bag.  A jury is not going to look kindly on these cops and the city of Memphis is going to write some very large checks.

 

 

[wwest5829]

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

And the right wing think the left are woke because they want to defund the police. Go figure, those guys were just badged murderers. They need to increase funding to rework the entire police culture and purge the criminals in uniform.

Unless I am sadly mistaken, the recruiting of ex military into police forces is part of the attitude of fighting an enemy leading to far too much use of force. I have not seen the statistics so I am speculating here. Dept. of Justice says 25% ...

Edited February 1, 2023 by wwest5829

[riclag]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

They are trained to ask questions before they pull people out of their cars , that didn’t happen here.

another fact ,

 

Correct:

White Cop Who Wanted Colleagues to ‘Stomp’ Tyre Nichols Is Suspended

Nichols family attorney Ben Crump said it was Hemphill who violently pulled Nichols from his car while striking him with a taser during an initial traffic stop—something clearly captured by body-cam footage released by authorities on Friday night.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/memphis-police-officer-preston-hemphill-disciplined-over-tyre-nichols-death

 

Many cops regardless of skin color have character flaws ! Ain’t no way around it! There are some bad cops and they come in all colors .

 

They can have trained extensively but on any given day rules are neglected while emotions enter the situation.

https://www.goodwin.edu/enews/police-officer-qualities-and-qualifications

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

If you see media reports it is popping up constantly- that race is the issue even with black on black murder like this.  

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions/tyre-nichols-memphis-police-department-jones/index.html

It’s the race of the victims of police violence that makes this a race related issue, not the race of the officers.

 

Let’s quit with this pretense that police response dealing with  black people is the same as their response when dealing with white people.

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Many cops regardless of skin color have character flaws ! Ain’t no way around it! There are some bad cops and they come in all colors .

 

They can have trained extensively but on any given day rules are neglected while emotions enter the situation.

https://www.goodwin.edu/enews/police-officer-qualities-and-qualifications

Sure I agree, I've already stated repeatably in my posts that more training is needed, this particular cop however had training to join the team, sometimes training is not enough when there is other factors involved and again 40 hours of Mental Illness training is far from sufficient.  From my post link.

 

"40 hours of mental illness training to join the force’s Crisis Intervention Team." However thats obviously not enough

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s the race of the victims of police violence that makes this a race related issue, not the race of the officers.

So if a white man is beaten by white officers, that is racism against white people?

 

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Let’s quit with this pretense that police response dealing with  black people is the same as their response when dealing with white people.

 

Tell Randal Worcester that.

[Hanaguma]

56 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s the race of the victims of police violence that makes this a race related issue, not the race of the officers.

 

Let’s quit with this pretense that police response dealing with  black people is the same as their response when dealing with white people.

 

 

 

 

So, which of the 5 accused was the racist? Or were all of them?  I think we need to wait before playing that particular explosive card.  Like I wrote above, of 1,000 people killed by police in a year, only 14 were unarmed black people.  The larger problem is the other 986 deaths, and the culture that creates them. 

[Credo]

I don't think it's worth discussing racism much in the context of this situation.  I think the most obvious thing is the need for a lot more training and SUPERVISION when making stops and arrests.   They might want to start with pairing Black and White cops to provide some racial balance.  I suspect a white cop is going to be a little more careful in handling a black assailant if his partner is black, and vice versa.   That is not the overall solution, but it could be an effective stop gap measure