Donald Trump will not speak during the closing day of his civil fraud trial in New York.

After speculation over whether the former US president would make a statement, the judge shared emails showing he had not agreed to limits on what he could say.

"Take it or leave it," the judge told Mr Trump's lawyers. "Now or never."

Mr Trump's team also asked the judge to postpone Thursday's hearing because of the death of Melania Trump's mother.

But Judge Arthur Engoran said he was "sorry" but the plans and schedules had already been set.

 

Mr Trump's civil fraud trial is resuming in New York City on Thursday, when lawyers for both sides are set to make their closing arguments.

The former president and his two adult sons are accused of massively inflating the value of their properties by hundreds of millions of dollars in order to secure better loans. They deny any wrongdoing.

The judge in the case has already ruled that they committed business fraud, but the trial is focusing on six remaining charges - and the judge must also decide how much to fine Mr Trump in penalties. It is not a criminal trial.

The prosecutor, New York Attorney General Letitia James, is asking for Mr Trump to be fined $370m (£290m) and be banned from doing real-estate business in New York.

 

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'Take it or leave it'

For days, there has been speculation in US media over whether Mr Trump might speak during the closing arguments.

But on Wednesday, Judge Arthur Engoran released emails between himself and Christopher Kise, one of Mr Trump's lawyers which suggested it would not be happening.

 

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After the trial he will claim he was denied the opportunity to speak and defend himself.

 

His dullard  supporters will swiftly repeat the lie.

 

Edited January 11, 20242 yr by Chomper Higgot

Looks like judge engoran isn’t gonna let trump turn this fraud trial into one of his gas light festivals good for him and yes chomper I wholeheartedly agree trump will try to claim he was denied the chance to speak.i would bet money 90% of New Yorkers are absolutely delighted trump is being run out of town!

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

After the trial he will claim he was denied the opportunity to speak and defend himself.

 

His dullard  supporters will swiftly repeat the lie.

 

 

Just waiting for the wokes to claim trump killed his wife's mother in an attempt to delay the court case, and extreme left will swallow it

1 minute ago, BenStark said:

 

Just waiting for the wokes to claim trump killed his wife's mother in an attempt to delay the court case, and extreme left will swallow it

 

Just waiting for the right wing to suggest Trump is all upset and mourning of his mother in law's death.

8 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Just waiting for the wokes to claim trump killed his wife's mother in an attempt to delay the court case, and extreme left will swallow it

Even better than defending him is calling out the "wokes".  Keep it flowing until November the 5th!

I love conspirators as they are creative as all hell.

Edited January 11, 20242 yr by earlinclaifornia

7 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Just waiting for the wokes to claim trump killed his wife's mother in an attempt to delay the court case, and extreme left will swallow it

Holy cow we’re on earth did that come from wow……..😮 

7 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Just waiting for the wokes to claim trump killed his wife's mother in an attempt to delay the court case, and extreme left will swallow it

Trump is already trying to use it and has asked for the closing arguments to be delayed.

 

Nice try at a bit of deflection.

1 minute ago, Georgealbert said:

Trump is already trying to use it and has asked for the closing arguments to be delayed.

 

Nice try at a bit of deflection.

 

Nice try at reading and comprehending what I wrote, but more reading classes are needed for you.

 

Nice attempt at deflection, though.

 

But I can see my post woke up the wokes, must have hit a nerve

14 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

Nice try at reading and comprehending what I wrote, but more reading classes are needed for you.

 

Nice attempt at deflection, though.

 

But I can see my post woke up the wokes, must have hit a nerve

55555

 

So funny to be lectured by a Trump fan and then called ‘woke’ and told it is just me trying to deflect, when you post offered nothing to the thread.

 

I stated facts, not some made up BS. Try reading the articles not just the headlines, or do you have the same attention span of your hero?

 

It also shows a lack of intelligence and imagination to have to result to trying to use ‘woke’ claim. Maybe shows that you are too arrogant to see your own ignorance.

 

Have a good day, I have fair better thinks to than read BS.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/10/trump-not-allowed-make-new-york-fraud-trial-closing-argument.html

18 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

55555

 

So funny to be lectured by a Trump fan and then called ‘woke’ and told it is just me trying to deflect, when you post offered nothing to the thread.

 

I stated facts, not some made up BS. Try reading the articles not just the headlines, or do you have the same attention span of your hero?

 

It also shows a lack of intelligence and imagination to have to result to trying to use ‘woke’ claim. Maybe shows that you are too arrogant to see your own ignorance.

 

Have a good day, I have fair better thinks to than read BS.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/10/trump-not-allowed-make-new-york-fraud-trial-closing-argument.html

 

For you and you only, bye

 

50 minutes ago, BenStark said:

waiting for the wokes to claim trump killed his wife's mother

 

 

8 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

For you and you only, bye

 

 

 

555555, so you got nothing, as expected.

 

It is a hot day, don't get your neck sunburnt, any more.

1 hour ago, BenStark said:

 

Just waiting for the wokes to claim trump killed his wife's mother in an attempt to delay the court case, and extreme left will swallow it

Go on give it a try, see if we swallow your garbage.

Restrictions were put on what Trump could say, including not making a campaign speech, not bringing up irrelevant items, sticking to subject and perhaps even speaking some factual truth. Trump would have had literally nothing to say.... restricted items are bread and butter of his blatherings. He was left speechless

1 hour ago, Emdog said:

Restrictions were put on what Trump could say, including not making a campaign speech, not bringing up irrelevant items, sticking to subject and perhaps even speaking some factual truth. Trump would have had literally nothing to say.... restricted items are bread and butter of his blatherings. He was left speechless

Well that an the risk of setting himself up for criminal prosecution by running his mouth.

If prosecutors can stomach the stench his mouth is an evidence rich environment.

 

If I were Trump's attorney, this would be my closing argument:

 

"Your honor, it's clear we have a difference of opinion on Mr. Trump's business practices, but you are the judge, and it's your opinion that matters.

 

So, I would like to suggest that you ask the banks and insurance companies how much money they lost due to Mr. Trump's business practices, and we would be happy to compensate them for any losses".

 

To the extent that Trump's lawyers go on the offensive in their close, Trump will have to pay big money.

27 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If I were Trump's attorney, this would be my closing argument:

 

"Your honor, it's clear we have a difference of opinion on Mr. Trump's business practices, but you are the judge, and it's your opinion that matters.

 

So, I would like to suggest that you ask the banks and insurance companies how much money they lost due to Mr. Trump's business practices, and we would be happy to compensate them for any losses".

 

To the extent that Trump's lawyers go on the offensive in their close, Trump will have to pay big money.

And ask the IRS how much money was lost due to his misinformation.

And, of course, he spoke!

"Your honor look, I did nothing wrong,” he said. "They should pay me for what we had to go through. What they’ve done to me reputationally and everything else.” 😃

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-civil-fraud-trial-01-11-24/index.html

He did get to speak, so that's one less thing the snowflake can whine about.

 

For unknown reasons, trump's legal team chose a bench trial rather than a jury trial. They had a choice. The judge then ruled that trump had committed fraud.

 

trump was able to get much lower rates because of his lies. At that time he was also heavily investing in Atlantic City casinos, so he had poor cash flow. The low rates he got via his lies helped, but he also siphoned money off of his casino projects, which he funded via 72 banks plus via the issuance of junk bonds. So he was only able to repay the fraudulently favorable NYC rates because he siphoned off his NJ projects.

 

A key part of these deals is that the NYC borrowings had personal guarantees, while his NJ properties were only guaranteed by the land and projects themselves. So bankruptcy of his NJ properties would not hurt him personally, while non-payment in NYC would have hit his own wallet.

 

When he had siphoned off enough from NJ to repay his NYC borrowings, he filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy for his NJ properties, stiffing the banks, bondholders and the subcontractors he had used in the construction of his casinos.

 

It is possible that the AG of the State of New Jersey will consider doing what the NY AG James has done, and charge trump with fraud for siphoning off funds to use in areas not entitled by the junk bond covenants for his casinos. That would also fall under SEC rules, so federal charges might result.

Aw, and it's our loss to be deprived of all the new info and perspectives he would have shared with the world. 

 

Trump will claim this was his winning speech. No legal argument, just more BS for the zombies.

 

Should be fun as the decision is promised by 31 January.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/11/trump-lashes-out-at-judge-in-closing-arguments-of-civil-fraud-trial-00135108

20 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

Trump will claim this was his winning speech. No legal argument, just more BS for the zombies.

 

Should be fun as the decision is promised by 31 January.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/11/trump-lashes-out-at-judge-in-closing-arguments-of-civil-fraud-trial-00135108

(Sore looser) whiners whine! 

 

I DID NOTHING WRONG!!!” 😅

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-melts-down-truth-social-152058209.html

 

 

“What Trump said was so damaging to him”: Experts say NY AG “struck gold” with Trump court rant

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-said-damaging-him-experts-140808805.html