Question about the two types of lower class consonants

[transpose]

I have a question about the two types of lower class consonants, long type and short type (I am unsure of the correct terms for these). These determine when a word with a dead ending has a falling tone because of a long type or high tone because of a short type. For example in the word ยาก (difficult), the consonant ย is considered to be a long type so the word has a falling tone. In the word มด (ant), the consonant ม is considered to be a short type so the word has a high tone. I have a list of lower class consonants: ท ม น ค ว ร ล ง ย พ ฟ ช ภ ฆ ฌ ญ ฑ ฒ ณ ธ ฬ ฮ. My question is, which of these are considered to be short and which long?

[Guavaman]

It is the vowels that are long or short. า in ยาก is long vowel, the o sound for the missing vowel in มด is a short vowel.

 

For example:  look at มาก and ยก.

[Foxx]

I suggest you work your way through the reading course at https://thai-notes.com/reading/index.html

There are so many irregularities and idiosyncrasies in Thai that you'll struggle if you try to work it out for yourself.

[transpose]

Thank you for explaining that, it has helped me a lot. Thank you for the link too.

[Smokin Joe]

The tone is for the syllable. The syllable can end in a vowel or a consonant.

 

The tone for a syllable depends on

- The class of the consonant

- Whether the syllable is "Live'"or "Dead"

- Whether the vowel is long or short

- Tone mark

 

Edited August 26 by Smokin Joe