Photos of destruction as a result of the incompetent world leader & his party

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

 

You must understand, Lacessit, that it's a fact for you.  But not for everyone.  There are scientists who strongly disagree and have made quite rational arguments countering climate change claims.  And I should be very specific and say "human induced" climate change, for no one disagrees with the fact that the climate is in constant flux.

 

As long as there is contentious debate then, to be fair, no side gets to claim their theories are fact.  Until such time as there is definitive proof  beyond a reasonable doubt then, sorry to say, it's all in the realm of belief.  It's not to say, though, that your belief cannot be true.  But until proven conclusively it is considered belief.  Perhaps one day you'll be vindicated and you'll get to say, "I told you so."  Until then, show respect for others who believe otherwise, for whatever reasons.  You cannot fairly disparage them as long as doubts remain.

 

One point I'd like to raise with you, and other human induced climate change proponents, is the aspect of honesty.  For those who believe in human induced climate change are quick to throw out the "95% of scientists agree" argument, as even that percentage has been up for debate.  The true percentage aside, it's a dishonest argument for one solid reason:  it's a well known logical fallacy.

 

The ad populum fallacy is a logical fallacy that occurs when someone claims something is true because many people believe it is. It's also known as the bandwagon fallacy, appeal to popularity, or appeal to numbers.

 

Put simply, it is the fallacy in which it is argued that consensus equates to truth.  It's a blatant falsity.

 

I'd be very wary about using false arguments to simply bolster your position.  That risks credibility.  For if one is willing to use a known false argument once then the question naturally begs, what other false arguments are being used.  If too many false arguments are used then your credibility is lost forever.  Just a word of fair warning.

You could equally say the argument ad vericundiam, or appeal to authority, is also a logical fallacy. You'd be right in both cases.

 

The 900 pound gorilla in the room is still the data coming out of Greenland and Antarctica, plus the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide. They are inescapable facts. The Larsen Ice Shelf is like Humpty Dumpty. All the king's men won't put it together again.

 

Subsequent to one of my posts, you did answer my question. No need to repeat yourself.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Lovely post, Lacessit.  I'm sure you're very proud of your common sense son, and deservedly so.  Give him thumbs up from this poster the next time you talk with him.

 

As to your question, I doubt it.  The fact that these folks live in a high risk area for fires and not only take zero precautions but also build with materials conducive to easily ignite is beyond me.  I guess it comes from the impoverished attitude of leaving your safety in the hands of others.  In this case, government.  My personal opinion is that government should never take on the function of keeping people safe.  I full well understand that at first blush that statement will sound ridiculous and appear to be the height of irresponsibility but once deeply pondered on you'll understand it's exactly why it's bad policy.

Thank you.

 

I don't disagree with your stance. However, I would say it is the function of governments to ensure people have good information.

 

The CSIRO in Australia is our leading scientific organization. It does a lot of cutting edge work, including fire research.

 

One of the studies it produced after Ash Wednesday said when people stayed behind to fight fires, they were 90% successful in defending their property. The study did have quite a few caveats in terms of preparedness, house construction, and fire-fighting methods.

 

As regular as clockwork, leftist governments increase CSIRO's budget. When right wing governments get in, they set about slashing CSIRO's funding.

 

It's currently in the right-wing opposition's bad books. Said opposition are taking a policy of small-size nuclear power plants to the next election. CSIRO have given the policy a raspberry. Nuclear power is the most expensive form of electricity on the planet, solar and wind are the cheapest. Australia has plenty of both.

 

Who will win, facts or policy?

 

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Quote:Leaving your safety in the hands of others!

 

“People — whether purposeful, reckless or simply careless —  are responsible for about 95% of California’s wildfires. In 2023 alone, people caused more than 7,000 wildfires in California; nationally, it was more than 50,000”.
https://calmatters.org/environment/wildfires/2024/07/california-wildfires-human-causes/

Terms of imprisonment for arson in Australia range from a few months to life imprisonment.

 

We have Total Fire Ban days. The mere act of lighting a fire on those days has on-the-spot fines of $2000. Court fines are $5000.

 

Cause property damage, even steeper fines, or prison.

 

Lightning is the most common cause of Australian bushfires.

[riclag]

When the Gov of California contradicts 

reservoirs aren’t  full , he’s spreading 

misinformation .What leader in there right mind would let this key reservoir go so long without sufficient water?

When L.A. fires broke out, the 117-million gallon Santa Ynez Reservoir near Pacific Palisades was empty. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/la-fires-santa-ynez-reservoir-pacific-palisades-california/

 

Story based on a report by Cbs news

[riclag]

Brilliantly executed Mr. Jennings:
 

 

[jerrymahoney]

11 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

John Carr was one such person who had protective gear and a mask. 

This is the headline from the DailyMail:

 

Man who saved his house from LA wildfires using only a garden hose - while his neighbours properties were razed to the ground

 

No mention in the article of protective gear and a mask.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14275895/la-fire-man-save-house-garden-hose.html

 

Nor have I found any other article which mentions that Mr. Carr had "protective gear and a mask".

[Phillip9]

13 hours ago, Will B Good said:

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

How did the "prominent chemist" explain dinosaurs?

 

Bones were planted by the devil to test his faith.

 

Sadly, I know quite a lot of people who believe this.  It's very common among Christians in the US.

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

15 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

John Carr was one such person who had protective gear and a mask. 

This is the headline from the DailyMail:

 

Man who saved his house from LA wildfires using only a garden hose - while his neighbours properties were razed to the ground

 

No mention in the article of protective gear and a mask.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14275895/la-fire-man-save-house-garden-hose.html

 

Nor have I found any other article which mentions that Mr. Carr had "protective gear and a mask".

 

You didn't watch the video then.  He states in it what protective gear he had.  Always keep in mind the old adage of never believing everything you read.

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

45 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

 

You didn't watch the video then.

OK. For his 'protective gear', he did say mask, goggles, and a construction helmet in the video. Mea Culpa. 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

You didn't watch the video then.  He states in it what protective gear he had.  Always keep in mind the old adage of never believing everything you read.

 

 

I was looking at the hose. A normal garden hose, a fire-fighting hose like the one I used to have is twice the diameter of that hose, and can throw water 80-100 feet,

 

In any Australian bushfire involving property, the first thing the fire department does is cut power to the whole area, to protect fire crews from electrocution from downed power lines. That's why an independent pump and water supply is essential for anyone wanting to protect their property.

 

I noticed he did have a pool, where he could take refuge.

 

A hero, yes. Lucky, also.

[Will B Good]

6 hours ago, Phillip9 said:

 

Sadly, I know quite a lot of people who believe this.  It's very common among Christians in the US.

 

 

As we say in Yorkshire……”Now't as queer as folks"

[jerrymahoney]

There is the old Jack Benny routine:

Robber: Your money or your life.
Benny: (nothing)
Robber: YOUR MONEY OR YOUR LIFE!
Benny: I'm thinking it over.

Some made the calculation: Your house or your life.

[Hawaiian]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

You didn't watch the video then.  He states in it what protective gear he had.  Always keep in mind the old adage of never believing everything you read.

 

 

Nothing like, as Paul Harvey would say, " the rest of the story."  Some people like to jump to conclusions with only "part of the story." 

[riclag]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

You didn't watch the video then.  He states in it what protective gear he had.  Always keep in mind the old adage of never believing everything you read.

 

 

Looks like a war zone !

 

He said “No fire trucks”, came.

The guy was amazing!

 

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Nothing like, as Paul Harvey would say, " the rest of the story."  Some people like to jump to conclusions with only "part of the story." 

I looked all over for a reference to Mr. Carr's 'protective gear' thinking that would be a reference to something like a HazMat outfit.

[0james0]

On 1/10/2025 at 7:00 PM, riclag said:

1. Water and Fire mismanagement in California! Before & during !

 

2. USA money being sent to Iran , with some  sent to Hamas that was used to sponsor terrorism which resulted in a war! Before & after pic of Gaza.

 

Scalise: $6 Billion for Iran is $6 Billion for Hamas
 

https://scalise.house.gov/press-releases/Scalise%3A-%246-Billion-for-Iran-is-%246-Billion-for-Hamas

Why is it that everything that the left and DEI people touch goes to ruin?

[Hawaiian]

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

I looked all over for a reference to Mr. Carr's 'protective gear' thinking that would be a reference to something like a HazMat outfit.

Nothing like improvising. 

[TedG]

On 1/13/2025 at 6:58 PM, Jingthing said:

Political hit piece chock full of LIES.

It's truly disgusting how the divisive forces of maga care 100 times more about the how they can smear their "enemies" with disinformation as opposed to dealing with an ongoing crisis in Southern Cali. 

Also truly disgusting. it's quite clear the "red" America under convicted felon Trump is going to help with the aftermath of this as weakly as possible only because it happened in a very blue state.

The foreign enemies of the USA rejoice! 

Name a lie 

[riclag]

6 hours ago, 0james0 said:

Why is it that everything that the left and DEI people touch goes to ruin?

Mikey can answer that:

 

Mikey says his (Joe) record of open borders,cost of goods, disastrous foreign policy, a weaponized Doj and 

the cover up of his mental acuity had something to do  with how the American people voted overwhelmingly and rejected his choice  as a torchbearer for the toxic party.

 

story is based on a Fox / X report 

[jerrymahoney]

9 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Nothing like improvising. 

At 1:02 in the "Meet the Man" video above: I got a mask, goggles, and a construction helmet from work.

 

If you want to consider that as 'protective gear' in a fire evacuation zone, up-2-U.

 

As you wrote earlier this topic:

 

Not wearing the appropriate protective gear is suicidal.  It's almost like going to a gunfight without a gun.

[Hawaiian]

3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

At 1:02 in the "Meet the Man" video above: I got a mask, goggles, and a construction helmet from work.

 

If you want to consider that as 'protective gear' in a fire evacuation zone, up-2-U.

 

As you wrote earlier this topic:

 

Not wearing the appropriate protective gear is suicidal.  It's almost like going to a gunfight without a gun.

Yes, it would have been a  lot safer had he an OBA (oxygen breathing apparatus) and a fire resistant suit.  But he did have the backup of a swimming pool full of water that he could find refuge in.

Jumping into the ocean is what saved a bunch of people in the Lahaina fire.  I know, the fire didn't surround them while in the ocean. 

As a retired airline pilot he probably experienced situations that required quick thinking.  Just imagine, his actions saved his and two of his neighbor's homes while everything around them burned.

[jerrymahoney]

I have never questioned any of Mr. Carr's actions or decisions.

I only questioned the use of the term "protective gear" on here which those exact words, as far as my searches went, never appeared in any stories on the matter.