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1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

 

Wikipedia is often considered unreliable because it is a user-generated source that can be edited by anyone at any time, which means that the information it contains at a particular time could be vandalism, a work in progress, or simply incorrect.37 Since the vast majority of editors are anonymous, you have only their editing history and their user pages as benchmarks, and Wikipedia makes no representation as to their truth.3

Who considers Wiki unreliable? You?  It's where most go for reliable facts on data collected.Where else does one go for factual information? Much out there is opinions and not from surveys.

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2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Who considers Wiki unreliable? You?  It's where most go for reliable facts on data collected.Where else does one go for factual information? Much out there is opinions and not from surveys.

Everyone who is intelligent 

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14 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Which shows Biden and Trump with the best figures. Biden had 5% inflation, open borders and did nothing to stop the wars.

Borders have always been and will always be open. Biden wanted families to be together, as some were in the US legally. People were deported daily when he was president. No difference in any presidents for the last 30 years. Wars wil always happen and the US will probably get involved for the reasons stated earlier.

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7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Borders have always been and will always be open. Biden wanted families to be together, as some were in the US legally. People were deported daily when he was president. No difference in any presidents for the last 30 years. Wars wil always happen and the US will probably get involved for the reasons stated earlier.

More opinions. I see you are a biased leftist.

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On 3/4/2025 at 1:13 PM, riclag said:

I assume this is about our neighborhood , North America!

We are literally getting killed by drugs and illegal migrants.

No mention of that Right,Mr.Buffet.

but the problem as I personally is that drugs are bought by stupid (in my opinion) users and illegal immigrants continue to be wooed, coddled, housed, school'd once they get in and this by the democrat cities that often take tax monies away for citizens' programs including schools to provide for those immigrants.   I realize that the US has needed and continues to need legal immigrants for many jobs.  But unless those immigrants become productive citizens then they need to return to their original countries.

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2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

More opinions. I see you are a biased leftist.

No, you assume. I'm not political. I've seen lies and empty promises since Nixon, with Kennedy being a decent president before him. Going by opinions means nothing. Seeing the results of their tenors means more, although again, they are still picking up the pieces from earlier mistakes.

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3 minutes ago, Presnock said:

but the problem as I personally is that drugs are bought by stupid (in my opinion) users and illegal immigrants continue to be wooed, coddled, housed, school'd once they get in and this by the democrat cities that often take tax monies away for citizens' programs including schools to provide for those immigrants.   I realize that the US has needed and continues to need legal immigrants for many jobs.  But unless those immigrants become productive citizens then they need to return to their original countries.

People who buy things to expand their minds and escape from a screwed up world, at least for awhile, aren't stupid. Some of this is necessary to keep your sanity in a world run by morons. Overdoing it or doing certain drugs is always a stupid thing. Yes, we must first help our own citizens before helping others who are escaping poverty or danger in their countries. Firing people to cut back on some things is letting people, Americans, go from earning a living. This is being done by  billionaires who care only about power and staying rich. A very dangerous , for them, thing to do, as taking a person's way of living away is a one way ticket to meeting God. Yes, there are jobs many Americans don't want to do, and immigrants will, but it isn't the immigrants to blame but the Americans who are hiring them illegally.

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5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, you assume. I'm not political. I've seen lies and empty promises since Nixon, with Kennedy being a decent president before him. Going by opinions means nothing. Seeing the results of their tenors means more, although again, they are still picking up the pieces from earlier mistakes.

Carter was terrible. Worst inflation of the lot.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/us-inflation-rate-by-president-8546447

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Just now, Harrisfan said:

Carter was terrible. Worst inflation of the lot.

 

https://www.investopedia.com/us-inflation-rate-by-president-8546447

You're missing the point that unemployment isn't on the president first but the business owners, and a rising population finds it hard to find jobs when there aren't enough. The government can help both employees and employers so it's on them to negotiate with business owners to raise salaries. problem is, the rich owners are thinking of their salaries first. There are hundreds of factors that go into why inflation rises or falls, and the president is not at the top.................https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/111314/what-causes-inflation-and-does-anyone-gain-it.asp 

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2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You're missing the point that unemployment isn't on the president first but the business owners, and a rising population finds it hard to find jobs when there aren't enough. The government can help both employees and employers so it's on them to negotiate with business owners to raise salaries. problem is, the rich owners are thinking of their salaries first. There are hundreds of factors that go into why inflation rises or falls, and the president is not at the top.................https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/111314/what-causes-inflation-and-does-anyone-gain-it.asp 

He was hopeless. Johnson was the best lefty apart from Vietnam.

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10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Eisenhower was good. Set up NASA, ended the Korean war, raised the minimum wage. Built large highways. Managed cold war.

 

He's no 1 since ww2. 

Eisenhower was a good president, and good things happened during his tenor, much brought about by help from others. Kennedy was rated higherfor much the same reasons, reasons which happen in every presidency. Others help them with ideas, they sign off if it's approved.

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26 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

People who buy things to expand their minds and escape from a screwed up world, at least for awhile, aren't stupid. Some of this is necessary to keep your sanity in a world run by morons. Overdoing it or doing certain drugs is always a stupid thing. Yes, we must first help our own citizens before helping others who are escaping poverty or danger in their countries. Firing people to cut back on some things is letting people, Americans, go from earning a living. This is being done by  billionaires who care only about power and staying rich. A very dangerous , for them, thing to do, as taking a person's way of living away is a one way ticket to meeting God. Yes, there are jobs many Americans don't want to do, and immigrants will, but it isn't the immigrants to blame but the Americans who are hiring them illegally.

do not agree on your take for illegal drugs - if it was only a minor escape from reality but didn't affect one's life and others that might be okay though I still don'tg understand the "thrillS" as I have never indulged and will not during my life.  In many cases they aren't even working, just milking the cow free.   Some resort to crimes too.  I see that many countries in Europe facing the same problems.  Meanwhile we continue pumping monies into those S&%thole countries from which many are fleeing to Europe or the US.  But 60K CHinese males of military should not have been allowed to mingle into the US with the other crowds.  Scary situation.

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4 minutes ago, Presnock said:

do not agree on your take for illegal drugs - if it was only a minor escape from reality but didn't affect one's life and others that might be okay though I still don'tg understand the "thrillS" as I have never indulged and will not during my life.  In many cases they aren't even working, just milking the cow free.   Some resort to crimes too.  I see that many countries in Europe facing the same problems.  Meanwhile we continue pumping monies into those S&%thole countries from which many are fleeing to Europe or the US.  But 60K CHinese males of military should not have been allowed to mingle into the US with the other crowds.  Scary situation.

It's impossible to understand what it feels like until you try. I'm really referring to weed and derivatives and not harder things, as they are dangerous in even small amounts. The ones selling the drugs are the rich ones, and they'll do anything to stay rich, which leads to violence. This is why weed should have been kept legal all along. As far as immigrants, you either work, are bringing money into the country you can support yourself with, or you don't come, as it isn't any country's responsibility to take care of anyone besides citizens or those who take care of themselves. I understand asylum seekers fleeing danger, but they can work also.

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1 hour ago, cdemundo said:

So you don't know the difference between successful and famous? (or infamous).

Musk is more successful. He provides advice to Trump. Next.

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32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Eisenhower was a good president, and good things happened during his tenor, much brought about by help from others. Kennedy was rated higherfor much the same reasons, reasons which happen in every presidency. Others help them with ideas, they sign off if it's approved.

Kennedy was overrated. Charisma placed him higher than need be. 

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7 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Kennedy was overrated. Charisma placed him higher than need be. 

Well, at least you're consistent. Wrong every time.......

Gallup poll 2013
President Outstanding Above average Average Below average Poor No opinion Weighted average[57]
Dwight D. Eisenhower 10% 39% 36% 2% 1% 12% 3.63
John F. Kennedy 18% 56% 19% 2% 1% 4% 3.92
Lyndon B. Johnson 4% 16% 46% 14% 8% 12% 2.93
Richard Nixon 2% 13% 27% 29% 23% 6% 2.38
Gerald Ford 2% 14% 56% 15% 5% 8% 2.92
Jimmy Carter 4% 19% 37% 20% 15% 6% 2.76
Ronald Reagan 19% 42% 27% 6% 4% 2% 3.67
George H. W. Bush 3% 24% 48% 12% 10% 2% 2.98
Bill Clinton 11% 44% 29% 9% 6% 1% 3.45
George W. Bush 3% 18% 36% 20% 23% 1% 2.58
Barack Obama 6% 22% 31% 18% 22% 1% 2.72

2014 Quinnipiac poll

A Quinnipiac University poll taken June 24–30, 2014, asked 1,446 American registered voters who they believed were the best and worst presidents since World War II.[58]

Best president since World War II:

  1. Ronald Reagan (35%)
  2. Bill Clinton (18%)
  3. John F. Kennedy (15%)
  4. Barack Obama (8%)
  5. Dwight Eisenhower (5%)
  6. Harry S. Truman (4%)
  7. Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)
  8. George H. W. Bush (tie) (3%)
  9. Jimmy Carter (2%)
  10. Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)
  11. Gerald Ford (tie) (1%)
  12. George W. Bush (tie) (1%)

Worst president since World War II:

  1. Barack Obama (33%)
  2. George W. Bush (28%)
  3. Richard Nixon (13%)
  4. Jimmy Carter (8%)
  5. Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (3%)
  6. Ronald Reagan (tie) (3%)
  7. Bill Clinton (tie) (3%)
  8. Gerald Ford (tie) (2%)
  9. George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)
  10. Dwight Eisenhower (1%)
  11. Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)
  12. John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)

2017 Quinnipiac poll

Two and a half years later, a Quinnipiac University poll taken January 20–25, 2017, asked 1,190 American voters who they believed were the best and worst presidents since World War II.[59]

Best president since World War II:

  1. Ronald Reagan (30%)
  2. Barack Obama (29%)
  3. John F. Kennedy (12%)
  4. Bill Clinton (9%)
  5. Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (3%)
  6. George W. Bush (tie) (3%)
  7. Harry S. Truman (tie) (2%)
  8. Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)
  9. Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)
  10. George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)
  11. Richard Nixon (tie) (<1%)
  12. Gerald R. Ford (tie) (<1%)

Worst president since World War II:

  1. Richard Nixon (24%)
  2. Barack Obama (23%)
  3. George W. Bush (22%)
  4. Jimmy Carter (10%)
  5. Ronald Reagan (5%)
  6. Bill Clinton (4%)
  7. Lyndon B. Johnson (3%)
  8. George H. W. Bush (2%)
  9. Gerald R. Ford (1%)
  10. Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)
  11. Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)
  12. John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)

2017 Morning Consult poll

Including President Donald Trump for the first time, a Morning Consult poll taken February 9–10, 2017, asked 1,791 American registered voters who they believed were the best and worst presidents since World War II.[60][61]

Best president since World War II:

  1. Ronald Reagan (26%)
  2. Barack Obama (20%)
  3. John F. Kennedy (17%)
  4. Bill Clinton (9%)
  5. Donald Trump (6%)
  6. George W. Bush (tie) (2%)
  7. Harry S. Truman (tie) (2%)
  8. Jimmy Carter (tie) (2%)
  9. George H. W. Bush (tie) (2%)
  10. Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)
  11. Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (1%)
  12. Gerald R. Ford (<1%)

Worst president since World War II:

  1. Donald Trump (26%)
  2. Barack Obama (25%)
  3. Richard Nixon (13%)
  4. George W. Bush (7%)
  5. Bill Clinton (6%)
  6. Jimmy Carter (5%)
  7. George H. W. Bush (3%)
  8. Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)
  9. Ronald Reagan (tie) (1%)
  10. Gerald R. Ford (tie) (1%)
  11. Dwight D. Eisenhower (tie) (1%)
  12. Harry S. Truman (tie) (1%)
  13. John F. Kennedy (<1%)

2018 Quinnipiac poll

A Quinnipiac University poll taken March 3–5, 2018, asked 1,122 American voters who they believed were the best and worst presidents since World War II.[62]

Best president since World War II:

  1. Ronald Reagan (28%)
  2. Barack Obama (24%)
  3. John F. Kennedy (tie) (10%)
  4. Bill Clinton (tie) (10%)
  5. Donald Trump (7%)
  6. Dwight Eisenhower (4%)
  7. Harry S. Truman (tie) (3%)
  8. Jimmy Carter (tie) (3%)
  9. Lyndon B. Johnson (2%)
  10. George H. W. Bush (tie) (1%)
  11. Richard Nixon (tie) (1%)
  12. George W. Bush (tie) (1%)
  13. Gerald R. Ford (<1%)

Worst president since World War II:

  1. Donald Trump (41%)
  2. Barack Obama (21%)
  3. Richard Nixon (10%)
  4. Jimmy Carter (8%)
  5. George W. Bush (6%)
  6. Bill Clinton (4%)
  7. Lyndon B. Johnson (tie) (2%)
  8. Ronald Reagan (tie) (2%)
  9. Gerald R. Ford (1%)
  10. Harry S. Truman (tie) (<1%)
  11. Dwight Eisenhower (tie) (<1%)
  12. John F. Kennedy (tie) (<1%)
  13. George H. W. Bush (tie) (<1%)

2021 Gallup poll

A Gallup poll taken January 4–15, 2021, asked 1,023 American adults the following question: "How do you think each of the following presidents will go down in history—as an outstanding president, above average, average, below average, or poor?"[63]

Gallup poll 2021
President Outstanding Above average Average Below average Poor Weighted average[57]
John F. Kennedy 23% 47% 25% 2% 1% 3.83
Richard Nixon 4% 7% 26% 29% 30% 2.14
Jimmy Carter 6% 21% 43% 14% 10% 2.81
Ronald Reagan 17% 35% 30% 10% 6% 3.41
George H. W. Bush 7% 21% 53% 11% 6% 3.06
Bill Clinton 10% 26% 37% 16% 11% 3.08
George W. Bush 6% 18% 49% 16% 10% 2.91
Barack Obama 21% 35% 22% 11% 12% 3.45
Donald Trump 9% 20% 10% 14% 47% 2.30

2024 Gallup poll

A Gallup poll taken December 2–18, 2024, asked the following question: "How do you think each of the following presidents will go down in history—as an outstanding president, above average, average, below average, or poor?"[64]

Gallup poll 2024
President Outstanding Above average Average Below average Poor
John F. Kennedy 22% 48% 24% 1% 1%
Richard Nixon 4% 8% 28% 24% 30%
Jimmy Carter 10% 22% 36% 11% 15%
Ronald Reagan 22% 32% 27% 7% 9%
George H. W. Bush 7% 21% 48% 13% 8%
Bill Clinton 7% 27% 36% 15% 14%
George W. Bush 5% 19% 42% 18% 15%
Barack Obama 19% 29% 25% 11% 16%
Donald Trump 17% 23% 16% 13% 31%
Joe Biden 6% 13% 26% 17% 37%

Memorability of the presidents

2014 Roediger and DeSoto Survey

In November 2014, Henry L. Roediger III and K. Andrew DeSoto published a study in the journal Science asking research subjects to name as many presidents as possible.[65][66] They reported data from three generations as well as from an online survey conducted in 2014. The percentage of participants in the online survey sample who could name each president was the following:

  1. Barack Obama (100%)
  2. Bill Clinton (96%)
  3. George W. Bush or George H. W. Bush (95%)
  4. George Washington (94%)
  5. Abraham Lincoln (88%)
  6. John F. Kennedy (83%)
  7. Richard Nixon (82%)
  8. Jimmy Carter (79%)
  9. Thomas Jefferson (72%)
  10. Ronald Reagan (66%)
  11. Gerald Ford (62%)
  12. Franklin D. Roosevelt or Theodore Roosevelt (60%)
  13. John Adams or John Quincy Adams (56%)
  14. Dwight D. Eisenhower (54%)
  15. Harry S. Truman (50%)
  16. Andrew Jackson (47%)
  17. Herbert Hoover (42%)
  18. Andrew Johnson or Lyndon B. Johnson (41%)
  19. William Howard Taft (39%)
  20. James Madison (38%)
  21. Ulysses S. Grant (38%)
  22. James Monroe (30%)
  23. Woodrow Wilson (29%)
  24. Calvin Coolidge (22%)
  25. James A. Garfield (19%)
  26. James K. Polk (17%)
  27. Warren G. Harding (16%)
  28. William McKinley (15%)
  29. John Tyler (12%)
  30. James Buchanan (12%)
  31. Grover Cleveland (11%)
  32. William Henry Harrison or Benjamin Harrison (11%)
  33. Martin Van Buren (11%)
  34. Rutherford B. Hayes (10%)
  35. Zachary Taylor (10%)
  36. Millard Fillmore (8%)
  37. Franklin Pierce (7%)
  38. Chester A. Arthur (7%)

2021 Putnam Survey

In July 2021, a survey was taken on the memorability of U.S. presidents by name and facial recognition.[67] The rate of memorability for the name recognition survey was:

  1. Bill Clinton (98%)
  2. Barack Obama (98%)
  3. George W. Bush (96%)
  4. Abraham Lincoln (95%)
  5. Ronald Reagan (94%)
  6. George Washington (93%)
  7. Richard Nixon (92%)
  8. George H.W. Bush (90%)
  9. John F. Kennedy (88%)
  10. Jimmy Carter (83%)
  11. Lyndon B. Johnson (82%)
  12. Thomas Jefferson (77%)
  13. William Howard Taft (77%)
  14. Teddy Roosevelt (75%)
  15. Dwight D. Eisenhower (74%)
  16. Harry S. Truman (73%)
  17. Andrew Jackson (65%)
  18. Franklin D. Roosevelt (59%)
  19. James Madison (55%)
  20. Grover Cleveland (53%)
  21. Benjamin Harrison (53%)
  22. Martin Van Buren (52%)
  23. Gerald Ford (52%)
  24. James A. Garfield (50%)
  25. Woodrow Wilson (50%)
  26. William Henry Harrison (48%)
  27. John Quincy Adams (48%)
  28. Rutherford B. Hayes (47%)
  29. Herbert Hoover (46%)
  30. John Adams (44%)
  31. James K. Polk (43%)
  32. Franklin Pierce (42%)
  33. Chester A. Arthur (42%)
  34. Ulysses S. Grant (37%)
  35. John Tyler (36%)
  36. William McKinley (35%)
  37. Millard Fillmore (31%)
  38. Warren G. Harding (31%)
  39. Zachary Taylor (28%)
  40. James Monroe (26%)
  41. Andrew Johnson (24%)
  42. Calvin Coolidge (21%)
  43. James Buchanan (18%)

Reception

Gerard Baker, US editor for The Times, writes, "the 42 American presidents fall into a well-established, bell-curve or normal distribution on a chart – a handful of outstanding ones, a handful of duds, and a lot of so-sos. I couldn't, in all honesty therefore, really say that number 13 on the list is that much better than number 30."[68]

Political scientist Walter Dean Burnham described "dichotomous or schizoid profiles" of presidents, making some hard to classify in his opinion. Historian Alan Brinkley said "there are presidents who could be considered both failures and great or near great (for example, Wilson, Johnson, Nixon)". Historian and political scientist James MacGregor Burns observed of Nixon: "How can one evaluate such an idiosyncratic president, so brilliant and so morally lacking?"[69]

David Herbert Donald, noted biographer of Abraham Lincoln, relates that when he met John F. Kennedy in 1961, Kennedy voiced his deep dissatisfaction and resentment with historians who had rated some of his predecessors. Kennedy remarked, "No one has a right to grade a president—even poor James Buchanan—who has not sat in his chair, examined the mail and information that came across his desk, and learned why he made his decisions."[70] Historian and political scientist Julian E. Zelizer has argued that traditional presidential rankings explain little concerning actual presidential history and that they are "weak mechanisms for evaluating what has taken place in the White House."[71] The broadly static nature of the rankings over multiple decades has also been called into question[who?], particularly given the frequent exposure of previously unknown material about American government.[72][failed verification][citation needed]

The first British survey, published in 2011, places some small government advocates higher than recent US surveys have: Thomas Jefferson at 4, Ronald Reagan at 8, and Andrew Jackson at 9 (compare 7, 10 and 13 in C-SPAN 2009).[21]

Survey takers

In 2002, Ron Walters, former director of the University of Maryland's African American Leadership Institute, stated that ranking based on the presidents' ability to balance the interests of the majority and those of excluded groups was practical in respect to American debate on racial politics. Presidents have traditionally been ranked on personal qualities and their leadership ability to solve problems that move the nation in a positive direction. Walters stated that there was a qualitative difference between presidential evaluations from white and African-American intellectuals. He gives as an example of this difference a comparison between two contemporary studies, a 1996 New York Times poll by Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., where 31 white historians and one black historian ranked presidents as "Great", "Near Great", "High Average", "Average", "Below Average", or "Failure", and a survey performed by professors Hanes Walton Jr. and Robert Smith and featured in their book American Politics and the African American Quest for Universal Freedom, where 44 African-American political scientists and historians ranked presidents as "White Supremacist", "Racist", "Racially Neutral", "Racially Ambivalent", or "Antiracist".[73]

A 2012 analysis by Mark Zachary Taylor faulted presidential surveys with "partisan bias and subjective judgments", suggesting an algorithm to rank of the presidents based on objectively measurable economic statistics. His algorithm placed Franklin Roosevelt as the best president for the economy, followed by Harding, Hayes and McKinley tied for second. The worst-ranked presidents were Hoover and Van Buren, tied.[74]

Alvin S. Felzenberg has criticized what he sees as a liberal bias in presidential rankings. In particular, he ranks Ronald Reagan in third place, substantially higher than averaged rankings. In reviewing his 2010 book, Michael Genovese says, "Felzenberg is upset—with some justification—at the liberal bias he sees as so prevalent in the ranking of U.S. presidents by historians and political scientists. To remedy this, he has provided a counter to the liberal bias with a conservative bias. In doing so, he commits all the sins of which he accuses liberals. This book is a mirror image of the work he finds so troubling....It is unscientific, impressionistic, and highly subjective."[75]

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2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You're missing the point that unemployment isn't on the president first but the business owners, and a rising population finds it hard to find jobs when there aren't enough. The government can help both employees and employers so it's on them to negotiate with business owners to raise salaries. problem is, the rich owners are thinking of their salaries first. There are hundreds of factors that go into why inflation rises or falls, and the president is not at the top.................https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/111314/what-causes-inflation-and-does-anyone-gain-it.asp 

Trump's tariffs are going to cause inflation, as sure as night follows day. Economics 101. That doesn't put Trump at the top?

 

The USA owes China $900 billion. Guess where the taxes of working Americans go to service the interest on that debt.

 

The Wall Street Journal is calling this the dumbest trade war ever.

 

America is going to become just like a third world country. Wealthy enclaves protected by round-the-clock security, people struggling to make ends meet outside.

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2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump's tariffs are going to cause inflation, as sure as night follows day. Economics 101. That doesn't put Trump at the top?

 

The USA owes China $900 billion. Guess where the taxes of working Americans go to service the interest on that debt.

 

The Wall Street Journal is calling this the dumbest trade war ever.

 

America is going to become just like a third world country. Wealthy enclaves protected by round-the-clock security, people struggling to make ends meet outside.

Could one just as easily say as sure as day follows night? 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Could one just as easily say as sure as day follows night? 

 

 

 

 

Congratulations, you won this thread's award for the most inane post in a canter.

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6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Congratulations, you won this thread's award for the most inane post in a canter.

Thanks pops, that means a lot coming from someone that has over 30K inane posts. 

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