No, I did not. You either don't understand what I have said or are lying. I suspect it is the latter. What I have said all along is that 'Ethnic Englishness' is a meaningless concept when applied in 21st century England as the number of people with a pure bloodline dating back to the indigenous tribes of England is Infinitesimally small. Once you redefine 'Ethnic English' - as you tried to do - to include immigrants such as Saxons, Romans, Vikings, etc, the term becomes even more meaningless and in redefining the term, you must - for consistency's sake - also allow for the possibility that latter-day immigrants e.g. African immigrants can also be considered 'Ethnic English'. What you can't do - as you have consistently tried to do to suit the situation - is to switch between the established definition of 'Ethnic English i.e. bloodline to the indigenous tribes of England and your revised definition i.e. add latter-day white immigrant groups' such as Romans, etc. See previous paragraph. I haven't walked anything back. I don't owe you an apology, Jonny. In fact, you should thank me for pointing out the flaws in your argument which should, if you act rationally, mean that you reconsider your position. I'm not trying to deny anyone their heritage. You are trying to deny 'Black Englishman' their English identity. Indeed, it is embarrassing, Jonny but not for me. Your twisting, turning and avoidance of facts would be humiliating for most people but, seemingly, you have no shame. In some ways, I feel sorry for you. Actually, there was a major oversight on my part. Nowhere in this torturous exchange have I directly asked you the most pertinent question. Notwithstanding my comment about the irrelevance of the concept of 'Ethnic English' in 21st century England, 'Why does it matter that a Black person is not ethnically English? i.e if a Black person was born in England, identifies as English and is proud to be English, what is the difference - apart from skin pigmentation - between this individual and a similar White Englishman? Some supplementary questions for you to answer: Is the white Englishman somehow 'more English'? And more importantly, what are the implications? Should these two individuals be treated differently simply because of the difference in skin pigmentation? Not in my eyes, how about you, Jonny?