1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How is a joining a customs union undenicrstic?

I assume you mean undemocratic.

How? Because we voted to leave.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nobody voted to leave the customs union.

Yes we did. You appear to be pining for BRINO again. We'll never get back into a customs union before Reform replace Labour anyway (and if we do they will reverse it) so don't go getting a chubby just yet. The EU won't allow us back in knowing Reform will take us back out again. They have enough to worry about with those annoying bottle tops that need to be twisted off the bottle.

Just now, JonnyF said:

I assume you mean undemocratic.

How? Because we voted to leave.

Yes we did. You appear to be pining for BRINO again. We'll never get back into a customs union before Reform replace Labour anyway (and if we do they will reverse it) so don't go getting a chubby just yet. The EU won't allow us back in knowing Reform will take us back out again. They have enough to worry about with those annoying bottle tops that need to be twisted off the bottle.

Remind me, what was the question on the referendum voting slip?

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Remind me, what was the question on the referendum voting slip?

I'm not your PA.

B12 is good for memory loss in the elderly.

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I'm not your PA.

B12 is good for memory loss in the elderly.

He’s a clue, it wasn’t anything to do with leaving the customs union.

Try the B12 you might recall.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He’s a clue, it wasn’t anything to do with leaving the customs union.

Try the B12 you might recall.

The debates in the leadup made it perfectly clear exactly what it meant.

Not gonna happen anyway. The EU aren't stupid enough to waste their time having us back in for 18 months and then leave again. They've got bananas to straighten.

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The debates in the leadup made it perfectly clear exactly what it meant.

Not gonna happen anyway. The EU aren't stupid enough to waste their time having us back in for 18 months and then leave again. They've got bananas to straighten.

No they did not.

They definitely included leaving the EU and remaining in a customs union, the ‘Norway Model’ being an example, but there are a number of nations in a customs union with the EU that are not members of the EU.

On 1/5/2026 at 9:54 AM, brewsterbudgen said:

Finally! Maybe Starmer is finally showing some backbone.

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

No, the UK needs to have another another referendum, and when the majority says "YES" to a return, head straight to Brussels.

What if the majority said 'No'..??

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I think the British public have more important things to worry about, like freedom of speech, immigration, and paying their extortionate tax bills.

I suspect the appetite for another decade of bickering about bendy bananas and bottle tops is limited.

I don't see why Joe Public need worry about freedom of expression. If s/he doesn't spout racist insults and/or incite others to commit violence then they'll be fine: They can complain about Labour until the cows come home without fear of arrest.

While illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be curtailed (if possible), why should legal immigration be considered a problem?

Nevertheless, we do seem to agree on a surprising number of things today.

As you rightly say, I doubt many Brits are overly concerned about the shape of their bananas or whether bottle tops are attached to the bottle or not.

You also correctly identify the level of taxation as a concern: Growing the economy might enable the government to make tax cuts. It's therefore sad that an act of economic masochism (aka Brexit) is estimated to have cost the UK an estimated 6 - 8% of our GDP and £90bn annually in lost tax revenues. Rational economic thought might conclude that rejoining the EU Single Market and Customs Union might be a quick way to reinstate some growth, however, sanity apparently has to be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit.

15 hours ago, RayC said:

I don't see why Joe Public need worry about freedom of expression. If s/he doesn't spout racist insults and/or incite others to commit violence then they'll be fine: They can complain about Labour until the cows come home without fear of arrest.

Depends which side they are on. Ricky Jones can ask for throats to be slit. Joey Barton got 6 months suspended for making a joke about Eni Aluko's bad football commentary.

Have a look at the Jamie Michael case as well. Lefties like you have nothing to worry about in 2 Tier Keir's biased justice system.

15 hours ago, RayC said:

While illegal immigration is a problem and needs to be curtailed (if possible), why should legal immigration be considered a problem?

Because there is too much of it and the people we are bringing over are often not compatible with British culture and values. We don't have the money, houses or infrastructure for these levels.

15 hours ago, RayC said:

Nevertheless, we do seem to agree on a surprising number of things today.

As you rightly say, I doubt many Brits are overly concerned about the shape of their bananas or whether bottle tops are attached to the bottle or not.

You also correctly identify the level of taxation as a concern: Growing the economy might enable the government to make tax cuts. It's therefore sad that an act of economic masochism (aka Brexit) is estimated to have cost the UK an estimated 6 - 8% of our GDP and £90bn annually in lost tax revenues. Rational economic thought might conclude that rejoining the EU Single Market and Customs Union might be a quick way to reinstate some growth, however, sanity apparently has to be sacrificed on the altar of Brexit.

It's not Brexit. It's the tax and spend Labour government. Taxing working people to pay off their union mates first and now immigrants and welfare scroungers. Not to mention foreign aid.

It's OK for you old Liberal boomers who didn't have to deal with these issues and had your nice secure jobs, good services and healthy pensions but maybe you could refrain from pulling the ladder up beneath you? I pity the young indigenous people in Britain these days. Others like you prefer to dump on them for the sake of virtue signaling about things like DEI and "asylum seekers".

15 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

What if the majority said 'No'..??

They'll ask for another vote, call people stupid and then try to worm their way back in via the back door, same as last time.

10 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's OK for you old Liberal boomers who didn't have to deal with these issues and had your nice secure jobs, good services and healthy pensions but maybe you could refrain from pulling the ladder up beneath you?

It’s the Tory’s neo-liberalism and trickle down economics that robed you of all these things.

But go ahead blame immigrants if it makes you feel better.

On 1/5/2026 at 6:15 AM, GoodieAfterDark said:

Lucifer bless this bubbale!

Quote:

Keir Starmer has regularly spoken about the importance of Judaism to his family, and has shared that Friday night dinners are a tradition. Shabbat is a “rock in the week,” he has said.

The new Prime Minister has said he is keen to raise children who “regognise the faith of part of their grandfather’s family,” and Shabbat dinners are an important part of that. “Every week there’s a challah, and we say kiddush,” Starmer said of his family’s traditions.

Rubbish.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s the Tory’s neo-liberalism and trickle down economics that robed you of all these things.

But go ahead blame immigrants if it makes you feel better.

Didn't rob me of anything Chomps. I've got more than I ever imagined. Through hard work.

No DEI for Uni places in the early 90s. The Tories even gave me a grant of 3000 pounds a year. My first apartment cost me 40,000 pounds before the over population started. Being white wasn't a disadvantage back then for job places either so I got a great opportunity based on merit.

I was one of the lucky ones. I guess you were too (at least in terms of opportunity if not outcome in your case). Unlike you Lib boomers I want the same for the next generation instead of self loathing and pulling the ladder up behind me.

Blame the Tories if you like but given your age, your failings are your own.

39 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Didn't rob me of anything Chomps. I've got more than I ever imagined. Through hard work.

No DEI for Uni places in the early 90s. The Tories even gave me a grant of 3000 pounds a year. My first apartment cost me 40,000 pounds before the over population started. Being white wasn't a disadvantage back then for job places either so I got a great opportunity based on merit.

I was one of the lucky ones. I guess you were too (at least in terms of opportunity if not outcome in your case). Unlike you Lib boomers I want the same for the next generation instead of self loathing and pulling the ladder up behind me.

Blame the Tories if you like but given your age, your failings are your own.

Which would all be believable if you were not so pathologically bitter.

From my own experience, I’ve never met anyone happy with their own life who vomits hate on those less fortunate than themselves, conversely I’ve met many looking for a scapegoat to blame for their own failings.

“Being white wasn't a disadvantage back then for job places either so I got a great opportunity based on merit.”

I don’t know what being white has to do with things other than ‘white grievance’ being such a thing these days, oddly amongst those who claim to have made a great success of their lives.

The Labour government has lost its moral mandate to rule. It does however, retain its legal position as a government. The takeaway is that the programs and promises that Labour ran on remain legitimate government policy should Labour wish to implement them, since the electorate agreed to those promises and policy when it elected Labour. Joining the EU and or giving up legal sovereignty was not one of those promises or policies.

2 hours ago, JAG said:

Rubbish.

Why is rubbish? Are you a chosen one?

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which would all be believable if you were not so pathologically bitter.

Nothing to be bitter about Chomps. I won't give details of my personal situation on an anonymous internet forum but suffice to say it's very comfortable indeed.

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

From my own experience, I’ve never met anyone happy with their own life who vomits hate on those less fortunate than themselves, conversely I’ve met many looking for a scapegoat to blame for their own failings.

To the contrary. Growing up in the 80's and 90's I was given opportunities, and I took them with both hands. My concern for people "less fortunate than myself" is for people like my nieces who have to pay 450,000 pounds for their first house because there is such a chronic shortage of them. Who face a massive tax burden to pay for immigrants and people on welfare. Who didn't go to University because they didn't want to be saddled with 50k of debt before they even started out. Who have to wait 6 months for a doctor's appointment because they cannot afford to go private. Those people are my concerns, not some rapey Ethiopian who is mistakenly let out of jail by Lammy and then paid 500 quid to get on a plane.

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“Being white wasn't a disadvantage back then for job places either so I got a great opportunity based on merit.”

I don’t know what being white has to do with things other than ‘white grievance’ being such a thing these days, oddly amongst those who claim to have made a great success of their lives.

DEI discriminates against white people. You know that the same as I do. I know you don't like your racism (or anti-semitism) being called out though. As I already stated it didn't affect me as I started work before this toxic ideology became popular and then moved to Thailand to work in my 30's where Woke hasn't really taken hold.

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The Labour government has lost its moral mandate to rule. It does however, retain its legal position as a government. The takeaway is that the programs and promises that Labour ran on remain legitimate government policy should Labour wish to implement them, since the electorate agreed to those promises and policy when it elected Labour. Joining the EU and or giving up legal sovereignty was not one of those promises or policies.

Labour are not governing, they are ruling.

Labour are not taking the UK back into the EU or ‘giving up sovereignty’.

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Nothing to be bitter about Chomps. I won't give details of my personal situation on an anonymous internet forum but suffice to say it's very comfortable indeed.

To the contrary. Growing up in the 80's and 90's I was given opportunities, and I took them with both hands. My concern for people "less fortunate than myself" is for people like my nieces who have to pay 450,000 pounds for their first house because there is such a chronic shortage of them. Who face a massive tax burden to pay for immigrants and people on welfare. Who didn't go to University because they didn't want to be saddled with 50k of debt before they even started out. Who have to wait 6 months for a doctor's appointment because they cannot afford to go private. Those people are my concerns, not some rapey Ethiopian who is mistakenly let out of jail by Lammy and then paid 500 quid to get on a plane.

DEI discriminates against white people. You know that the same as I do. I know you don't like your racism (or anti-semitism) being called out though. As I already stated it didn't affect me as I started work before this toxic ideology became popular and then moved to Thailand to work in my 30's where Woke hasn't really taken hold.

There you go with your grievance fixation and scapegoating immigrants.

And of course your completely off topic and totally baseless ‘racism and antisemitism’ slur.

The average cost of a first time home in the UK is not £450,000 and with hundreds of thousands of empty homes across the UK it’s obviously not simply ‘a shortage of houses’.

Almost 40% of welfare recipients are working, welfare supporting businesses paying low wages. But OK get behind cutting welfare from those people, they could always work two role three more jobs.

Sorry to hear your nieces chose not to get an education because other people were no longer paying for it.

Do the free education and grants

you received as a student count as welfare I wonder or is it a handout you ignore when patting yourself on your back for having pulled yourself up by your own boot laces?

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The average cost of a first time home in the UK is not £450,000 and with hundreds of thousands of empty homes across the UK it’s obviously not simply ‘a shortage of houses’

Redistribute land to all citizens, remove all planning permission requirements.

Remove all taxes on 'pod' housing from China.

Homeless problem fixed!

But all western governments appear to want people to be homeless.

I can't work out why?

On 1/7/2026 at 12:13 PM, JonnyF said:

Depends which side they are on. Ricky Jones can ask for throats to be slit. Joey Barton got 6 months suspended for making a joke about Eni Aluko's bad football commentary.

Have a look at the Jamie Michael case as well. Lefties like you have nothing to worry about in 2 Tier Keir's biased justice system.

Have a look at the aggregated statistics and don't cherry-pick isolated examples. If - big 'if' - a 2-tier system does exists then it favours white British.

https://theconversation.com/new-sentencing-guidelines-will-make-the-uks-justice-system-more-fair-not-less-expert-view-251756#:~:text=There%20is%20a%20substantial%20body,sentence%20length%20for%20equivalent%20offences

On 1/7/2026 at 12:13 PM, JonnyF said:

Because there is too much of it and the people we are bringing over are often not compatible with British culture and values. We don't have the money, houses or infrastructure for these levels.

"Too much of it (legal immigration): Legal immigration is there to fill vacancies in the labour market. No doubt you've done an in-depth study proving that successive governments have got the numbers wrong.

The lack of infrastructure - if it exists - is a fault of successive governments.

The top 5 countries of origin for UK arrivals last year were: India - accounting for 16% of all immigration; China; Pakistan; Nigeria and Nepal. China is a relatively new source but the other four countries have traditionally supplied migrants to the UK. Have these people recently and suddenly become 'incompatible with British culture and values'?

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/#:~:text=09%20Aug%202024,or%20have%20a%20university%20degree.

It's ironic that before 2020, the EU states formed the largest group of immigrants to the UK. Given that we share many cultural traits with our (Western) European neighbours, I'd imagine that as a group, they would be more to your liking. Such a shame that Brexit - which you strongly support - should have caused immigration to dry up from that source.

It's also ironic that as an immigrant yourself you claim that immigrants are 'often' not compatible with the local culture. I imagine that some Thais share your view.

On 1/7/2026 at 12:13 PM, JonnyF said:

It's not Brexit. It's the tax and spend Labour government. Taxing working people to pay off their union mates first and now immigrants and welfare scroungers. Not to mention foreign aid.

What absolute tosh. It's obviously pointless posting links in any discussion with you which detail facts and evidence. 'I know what I know' is your mantra.

On 1/7/2026 at 12:13 PM, JonnyF said:

It's OK for you old Liberal boomers who didn't have to deal with these issues and had your nice secure jobs, good services and healthy pensions but maybe you could refrain from pulling the ladder up beneath you? I pity the young indigenous people in Britain these days. Others like you prefer to dump on them for the sake of virtue signaling about things like DEI and "asylum seekers".

Here we go again with your emotive use of the word, 'indigenous'. As I have pointed many times - and will continue to do so - a tiny minority of Brits (especially Englishmen) are pure-blooded (indigenous' Celts (Picts, Iceni and Brigantes). We are a nation of mongrels. Given that, it strikes me as completely irrational to be prejudiced against individuals due their 'tribe'.

Today's youngsters do have a myriad of problems to deal with and I feel a great deal of sympathy for them. I was lucky in that I was born in London and, by and large, there were usually jobs available in the capital. However, the '70s and '80s were far from a bed of roses for many people. Just ask some old miners and steel workers and they'll paint a different story.

The trouble with you latter-day reactionaries is that your solutions are over-simplistic, jingoist nonsense: Stop immigration and everything will be ok. We'll then re-establish the Empire. The world needs the UK more than the UK needs the world. Delusional nonsense.

On 1/5/2026 at 12:19 PM, candide said:

Did the referendum specify the agreement UK should have with the EU?

Hilarious!

On 1/5/2026 at 8:18 AM, JonnyF said:

So this dictator is not only cancelling local elections but reversing the will of the people in the Brexit referendum.

All to line up a cushy job in Davos once the UK finally gets to vote.

What a traitor.

Wow , .He has been labeled a dictator .Common sense Brits will never never under estimate Labour again,once he's gone.

"A new YouGov poll shows disapproval of the Labour Government at a record high, with net approval falling to -59, its lowest level since Sir Keir Starmer entered Downing Street".

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/reform-uk-lee-anderson-keir-starmer-resignation-dead-man-walking

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

"Too much of it (legal immigration): Legal immigration is there to fill vacancies in the labour market. No doubt you've done an in-depth study proving that successive governments have got the numbers wrong.

We have high unemployment already. How is adding largely unskilled people helping that? We need to import people for specific high skilled jobs that have a shortage, not just import people to "wipe people's bums" As Zach Polanski wants us to do.

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

The lack of infrastructure - if it exists - is a fault of successive governments.

Yes, it is. Does that justify amplifying the problem with more and more people?

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

The top 5 countries of origin for UK arrivals last year were: India - accounting for 16% of all immigration; China; Pakistan; Nigeria and Nepal. China is a relatively new source but the other four countries have traditionally supplied migrants to the UK. Have these people recently and suddenly become 'incompatible with British culture and values'?

The Pakistani rape gangs would certainly suggest so. If you consider that part of British culture then you must have hung out with a different crowd to me.

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/#:~:text=09%20Aug%202024,or%20have%20a%20university%20degree.

It's ironic that before 2020, the EU states formed the largest group of immigrants to the UK. Given that we share many cultural traits with our (Western) European neighbours, I'd imagine that as a group, they would be more to your liking. Such a shame that Brexit - which you strongly support - should have caused immigration to dry up from that source.

They can still come. They just need a visa. Easily obtained.

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

It's also ironic that as an immigrant yourself you claim that immigrants are 'often' not compatible with the local culture. I imagine that some Thais share your view.

You're trolling at this point. The difference between immigrant and expat is very clear and I've explained it to you many times.

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

Here we go again with your emotive use of the word, 'indigenous'. As I have pointed many times - and will continue to do so - a tiny minority of Brits (especially Englishmen) are pure-blooded (indigenous' Celts (Picts, Iceni and Brigantes).

I know you hate the word because it exposes your hypocrisy of promoting the protection of indigenous people in places like New Zealand while also supporting the targeting of indigenous people in Britain. Essentially, like many leftists you despise the British and therefore resent the word indigenous being used for them even though you would support it for the Mauri or Aboriginals.

But from a legal sense I would be prepared to be extremely generous and define it as anyone who has all 4 grandparents born in Britain. Seems quite fair. Inclusive even.

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

We are a nation of mongrels.

Careful, that Brit hating self loathing is showing again Raymond.

On 1/8/2026 at 11:59 AM, RayC said:

The trouble with you latter-day reactionaries is that your solutions are over-simplistic, jingoist nonsense: Stop immigration and everything will be ok. We'll then re-establish the Empire. The world needs the UK more than the UK needs the world. Delusional nonsense.

Strawman. Nobody is calling for Empire. We've already had so much immigration that the country is changed forever. However, that doesn't mean we just give up and open the floodgates. If my bath is overflowing I turn off the tap and start cleaning up the mess. I don't just give up, leave it running and start shouting at the people below me for complaining that water is coming through their ceiling.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

We have high unemployment already. How is adding largely unskilled people helping that? We need to import people for specific high skilled jobs that have a shortage, not just import people to "wipe people's bums" As Zach Polanski wants us to do.

Brits seemingly don't want to work in the healthcare sector due to the wages and working conditions. Increasing wages might help but that would fuel inflation (in the short term), so the UK has the choice, in the short term at least, to import labour or accept that the public demand for healthcare services won't be met.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Yes, it is. Does that justify amplifying the problem with more and more people?

A novel idea might be to invest in the infrastructure but that requires funding by taxation, something that the recent Tory and Labour governments have shown that they are unwilling to undertake. Like all opposition parties since party politics was invented, Reform has promised to invest in the public sector but is somehow going to fund this by reducing tax revenue.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The Pakistani rape gangs would certainly suggest so. If you consider that part of British culture then you must have hung out with a different crowd to me.

76,000 Pakistani immigrants arrived in the UK in 2024 with another 10,000 seeking asylum. That's in addition to those already in the country. How many were in rape gangs? 20? 50? 100?

The fact that you refuse to accept is that the overwhelming majority of immigrants, whatever their country of origin, are law abiding.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

They can still come. They just need a visa. Easily obtained.

Easily obtained? Most EU nationals - apart from doctors and nurses - would need a Skilled Worker visa to work in the UK. This requires sponsorship, form filling and an approval process taking months. In addition, it costs the individual from £300 to £1500+ to apply. If approved, the individual must then stump up >£1000 for mandatory health insurance while at the same time paying NI contributions like native-born workers.

Contrast this with the same EU national seeking work in another EU country. All they need to do is stump up the travel cost and enough money to tide them over while they look for a job (if they haven't already got one). When they start working they have the same rights and obligations as native-born workers.

Now ask yourself which of those two options is easier and more attractive.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You're trolling at this point. The difference between immigrant and expat is very clear and I've explained it to you many times.

I'm not trolling. You are being pedantic and hiding behind semantics. Whether you call yourself an immigrant or an expat is irrelevant: You are an alien in a foreign country.

You believe that immigration has a negative effect on British culture but refuse to acknowledge that some Thais might hold the same view about the effect of Western culture in Thailand. It's hypocrisy.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I know you hate the word because it exposes your hypocrisy of promoting the protection of indigenous people in places like New Zealand while also supporting the targeting of indigenous people in Britain. Essentially, like many leftists you despise the British and therefore resent the word indigenous being used for them even though you would support it for the Mauri or Aboriginals.

I don't hate the word 'indigenous' but, as I have explained time and time again, I object to you redefining the word to suit your bigoted agenda.

You have no idea what my views are about the Mauris or Aboriginals for the simple reason that I have never commented on either in this forum (or elsewhere for that matter).

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

But from a legal sense I would be prepared to be extremely generous and define it as anyone who has all 4 grandparents born in Britain. Seems quite fair. Inclusive even.

Yes, how extremely generous and convenient in that it is a definition which probably excludes the majority of non-white immigrants in the UK today.

What a coincidence.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Careful, that Brit hating self loathing is showing again Raymond.

I don't do self-loathing, John.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Strawman. Nobody is calling for Empire. We've already had so much immigration that the country is changed forever. However, that doesn't mean we just give up and open the floodgates. If my bath is overflowing I turn off the tap and start cleaning up the mess. I don't just give up, leave it running and start shouting at the people below me for complaining that water is coming through their ceiling.

Ah, the Strawman cometh. I do hope that he is indigenous.

My apologies. Your reactionary tendencies go further back than the Days of Empire. It appears that you do indeed hope for the restoration of Celtic Britain.

10 hours ago, RayC said:

Brits seemingly don't want to work in the healthcare sector due to the wages and working conditions. Increasing wages might help but that would fuel inflation (in the short term), so the UK has the choice, in the short term at least, to import labour or accept that the public demand for healthcare services won't be met.

A novel idea might be to invest in the infrastructure but that requires funding by taxation, something that the recent Tory and Labour governments have shown that they are unwilling to undertake. Like all opposition parties since party politics was invented, Reform has promised to invest in the public sector but is somehow going to fund this by reducing tax revenue.

76,000 Pakistani immigrants arrived in the UK in 2024 with another 10,000 seeking asylum. That's in addition to those already in the country. How many were in rape gangs? 20? 50? 100?

The fact that you refuse to accept is that the overwhelming majority of immigrants, whatever their country of origin, are law abiding.

Easily obtained? Most EU nationals - apart from doctors and nurses - would need a Skilled Worker visa to work in the UK. This requires sponsorship, form filling and an approval process taking months. In addition, it costs the individual from £300 to £1500+ to apply. If approved, the individual must then stump up >£1000 for mandatory health insurance while at the same time paying NI contributions like native-born workers.

Contrast this with the same EU national seeking work in another EU country. All they need to do is stump up the travel cost and enough money to tide them over while they look for a job (if they haven't already got one). When they start working they have the same rights and obligations as native-born workers.

Now ask yourself which of those two options is easier and more attractive.

I'm not trolling. You are being pedantic and hiding behind semantics. Whether you call yourself an immigrant or an expat is irrelevant: You are an alien in a foreign country.

You believe that immigration has a negative effect on British culture but refuse to acknowledge that some Thais might hold the same view about the effect of Western culture in Thailand. It's hypocrisy.

I don't hate the word 'indigenous' but, as I have explained time and time again, I object to you redefining the word to suit your bigoted agenda.

You have no idea what my views are about the Mauris or Aboriginals for the simple reason that I have never commented on either in this forum (or elsewhere for that matter).

Yes, how extremely generous and convenient in that it is a definition which probably excludes the majority of non-white immigrants in the UK today.

What a coincidence.

I don't do self-loathing, John.

Ah, the Strawman cometh. I do hope that he is indigenous.

My apologies. Your reactionary tendencies go further back than the Days of Empire. It appears that you do indeed hope for the restoration of Celtic Britain.

Great post. And you seem to have (finally) got Jonny to stop his bigoted ranting! 👏

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Great post. And you seem to have (finally) got Jonny to stop his bigoted ranting! 👏

Thanks for the compliment. Although we live in hope, I very much doubt that you are correct.

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Great post. And you seem to have (finally) got Jonny to stop his bigoted ranting! 👏

Shut up Chomps I've been busy that's all.

I'll be back once I've got the por lor bor on the Ducati sorted and had lunch with my gig.