2 hours ago, TedG said:

You need the USA more than we need Europe. The USA built influence because USA rebuilt Europe after WW2 and defended Europe for the pasts 80 years. The fact is Europe is not paying their fair share when it does to defense spending.

Firstly, let us dispense with what would likely be the liberal internationalist response to these statements: “NATO members have been increasing their spending.” This is true, in that spending has increased from anemic to slightly less anemic. But for all of the bragging in European capitals, many still fail to spend at least 2% on defense; in 2023, only 11 actually hit the mark. More have claimed that they will soon hit 2%, but this promise is not worth the paper it is printed on, as it can simply be reversed the moment a new government comes into power or the spotlight turns away

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2024/03/27/the_truth_about_european_defense_spending_1021087.html

Europe deserves to be conquered by Russia.

Inshallah with the help of our Chechen brothers we maybe liberated from Herr Sturmer and his PC Gauleiters in the near future.

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

f European's are so weak why did your master asked them for help solving the mess he created with Iran

He is not anyone’s “master” — he is the U.S. Commander in Chief. And asking allies to help manage a crisis that affects their own energy security and trade routes is not hypocrisy; it is the basic logic of an alliance. The real issue is not whether Europe is “weak,” but why so many European voices are comfortable criticizing American action while remaining reluctant to share responsibility for protecting the very shipping lanes and stability their own economies depend on. If the stakes are truly so serious, then burden-sharing should not be controversial.

2 hours ago, ericthai said:

He is not anyone’s “master” — he is the U.S. Commander in Chief. And asking allies to help manage a crisis that affects their own energy security and trade routes is not hypocrisy; it is the basic logic of an alliance. The real issue is not whether Europe is “weak,” but why so many European voices are comfortable criticizing American action while remaining reluctant to share responsibility for protecting the very shipping lanes and stability their own economies depend on. If the stakes are truly so serious, then burden-sharing should not be controversial.

Whyn didn't the United States help Britain in 1982? Why didn't the United States help Britain in 1956. Why didn' the United States help in 1972?

What yiu describe is not the logic of the NATO alliance. You confuse it with the Axis Alliance.

5 hours ago, TedG said:

You need the USA more than we need Europe. The USA built influence because USA rebuilt Europe after WW2 and defended Europe for the pasts 80 years. The fact is Europe is not paying their fair share when it does to defense spending.

Firstly, let us dispense with what would likely be the liberal internationalist response to these statements: “NATO members have been increasing their spending.” This is true, in that spending has increased from anemic to slightly less anemic. But for all of the bragging in European capitals, many still fail to spend at least 2% on defense; in 2023, only 11 actually hit the mark. More have claimed that they will soon hit 2%, but this promise is not worth the paper it is printed on, as it can simply be reversed the moment a new government comes into power or the spotlight turns away

https://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2024/03/27/the_truth_about_european_defense_spending_1021087.html

Europe deserves to be conquered by Russia.

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The US let British soldiers die in 1956

The US didn't help Britain in 1982, and armed a murderous fascist junta.

Its clear now from your own words, you are a Communist Sympathiser, a Red under the Bed. Yiou support genocidal dictatorships.

Roll on Red Dawn.

1 hour ago, Roadsternut said:

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The US let British soldiers die in 1956

The US didn't help Britain in 1982, and armed a murderous fascist junta.

Its clear now from your own words, you are a Communist Sympathiser, a Red under the Bed. Yiou support genocidal dictatorships.

Roll on Red Dawn.

You're a butt hurt Brit living in a dying empire.

6 hours ago, ericthai said:

He is not anyone’s “master” — he is the U.S. Commander in Chief. And asking allies to help manage a crisis that affects their own energy security and trade routes is not hypocrisy; it is the basic logic of an alliance. The real issue is not whether Europe is “weak,” but why so many European voices are comfortable criticizing American action while remaining reluctant to share responsibility for protecting the very shipping lanes and stability their own economies depend on. If the stakes are truly so serious, then burden-sharing should not be controversial.

The burden he is asking them to share is entirely the creation of his own irredeemably stupid actions in starting this war.

The burden will be dramatically reduced if and when the US stops bombing Iran. Until then there is very little point in Europe or Asia-Pacific engaging with Iran - apart from anything else, any deals reached will simply be bombed off the table unilaterally by the US.

Now why did he, as "Commander in Chief" start the war? There are a number of reasons: Israeli vulnerable government, facing elections, for whom an existential war is the main (only) hope of re-election, the profiteering by his obscenely corrupt informal inner cabinet, the drunken fantasies of his psychotic Christian Nationalist Secretary of State for Defence, Trump's own narcissistic desire to be seen as a "great leader" and perched at the top of the pyramid his desperate attempts to distract from the scandal of his paedophile antics with Epstein.

What a collection of sordid, and very obvious, reasons for starting a war which has killed thousands, will probably kill thousands more, may mortally damage Israel, and wreck economies worldwide, having adverse consequences on millions! And you bleat on about allies being weak! We, Europe and Asia Pacific, have rather had enough of American bullying and it's imbecile posturing "leader". If you want to go to hell in a high tech handcart, fill your boots, just don't expect the rest of the world to push it for you!

14 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

You also shook your head in disbelief when this so called moron pointed out to Europe's heads that relying on Russian energy while refusing to pay NATO dues was foolish. Oh how they laughed.

How is that working out for you guys? Gentle hint - Trump is ALWAYS right.

https://www.c-span.org/clip/white-house-event/germans-laugh-after-trump-warns-of-reliance-on-foreign-oil/5029974

But it was Biden who blew up the Nordstream pipelines and finally got Europe's attention, especially the then German Chancellor.

2 hours ago, TedG said:

You're a butt hurt Brit living in a dying empire.

They couldnt even beat Argentina without us. Individually great soldiers, lions led by donkeys

14 hours ago, ericthai said:

He is not anyone’s “master” — he is the U.S. Commander in Chief. And asking allies to help manage a crisis that affects their own energy security and trade routes is not hypocrisy; it is the basic logic of an alliance. The real issue is not whether Europe is “weak,” but why so many European voices are comfortable criticizing American action while remaining reluctant to share responsibility for protecting the very shipping lanes and stability their own economies depend on. If the stakes are truly so serious, then burden-sharing should not be controversial.

please enlighten us by telling us who created the crisis, was there any crisis before he made the wrong move??

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

please enlighten us by telling us who created the crisis, was there any crisis before he made the wrong move??

Do you think it is in the best interest of the western world that Iran be allowed to develop nuclear warheads and a intercontinental missile program to deliver them?

10 hours ago, Yagoda said:

They couldnt even beat Argentina without us. Individually great soldiers, lions led by donkeys

The US eventually provided some intelligence, air-to-air missiles for the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, and refueling and staging support on Asuncion for the Royal Air Force's extra long range V-bomber missions, but not much else.

A year later, the US Army kicked over a fruit stand on Grenada.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

The US eventually provided some intelligence, air-to-air missiles for the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, and refueling and staging support on Asuncion for the Royal Air Force's extra long range V-bomber missions, but not much else.

A year later, the US Army kicked over a fruit stand on Grenada.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

By refueling and staging support, you mean aircraft and almost two million gallons of aviation fuel, yes?

As well as hundreds of missiles and tons of shells.

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

By refueling and staging support, you mean aircraft and almost two million gallons of aviation fuel, yes?

As well as hundreds of missiles and tons of shells.

A runway, billeting and fuel bowsers for RAF Vulcan bombers and their huge fleet of Victor in-flight refuellers. Note that no Boeings were hurt in this operation.

24 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

A runway, billeting and fuel bowsers for RAF Vulcan bombers and their huge fleet of Victor in-flight refuellers. Note that no Boeings were hurt in this operation.

Because all the US aircraft was fulfilling the UK's NATO obligations, freeing up the aircraft the UK had.

In the same way, the munitions the UK used were mostly their own, but restocked in real time by the US.

But you knew all that, yes?

The UK was the greatest force for good in the history of the world. Effing shame

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

The US eventually provided some intelligence, air-to-air missiles for the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force, and refueling and staging support on Asuncion for the Royal Air Force's extra long range V-bomber missions, but not much else.

A year later, the US Army kicked over a fruit stand on Grenada.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER

Translation: Thank god the Yanks came through again

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Because all the US aircraft was fulfilling the UK's NATO obligations, freeing up the aircraft the UK had.

In the same way, the munitions the UK used were mostly their own, but restocked in real time by the US.

But you knew all that, yes?

Yes, I am aware of the support logistics, somewhat reluctantly approved by Reagan. What's your point again?

Who comes after trump will walk back into nato

30 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Who comes after trump will walk back into nato

Trump cannot remove the US from NATO.

Claims that he will or might is Just leftist rhetoric

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Claims that he will or might is Just leftist rhetoric

I thought trump was maga? Do agree, it's just rhetoric.

23 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Thank god the Yanks came through again

At least we didn't need to pay anyone to bomb you off the fence like Churchill had the Japanese do at Pearl Harbor.

Yeah, I know that is all nonsense but hey, you started it.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Trump cannot remove the US from NATO.

Claims that he will or might is Just leftist rhetoric

So the lefties have hacked Trump's own Truth Social account?

Amazing...

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

At least we didn't need to pay anyone to bomb you off the fence like Churchill had the Japanese do at Pearl Harbor.

Yeah, I know that is all nonsense but hey, you started it.

Yeah, you need to go to the USA to save your asses again.

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Yeah, you need to go to the USA to save your asses again.

That's gonna be a challenge since the USA can't even save its own ass any more.

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

That's gonna be a challenge since the USA can't even save its own ass any more.

Europeans have an entitlement mentally that the USA exists to bail your asses out. Europe is weak and pathetic.

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

Europeans have an entitlement mentally that the USA exists to bail your asses out. Europe is weak and pathetic.

Americans have an enduring belief in the faded myth of their exceptionalism. America is a deluded and consistent failure under fire.

Over...

14 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Americans have an enduring belief in the faded myth of their exceptionalism. America is a deluded and consistent failure under fire.

Over...

Cry about this the next time the USA saves you.

25 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

That's gonna be a challenge since the USA can't even save its own ass any more.

Certainly not with that "ass" in charge!

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Cry about this the next time the USA saves you.

Who or what has it ever saved voluntarily?

Just remember it was forced into both world wars so don't even start there!

We can just become a lame duck member. Done

What are they going to do to us, can't take away our birthday so they can take a hike.