The vast majority of Ukrainians have decided to stay. I don't know the total number of refugees, but in Switzerland we have 70 thousand.

Unfortunately, only 10% of them are gainfully employed, the rest is on "welfare".

They may stay here for as long as they live, as upon returning to the Ukraine, they will be asked by their countrymen: "You ran, while we stayed".

Eventually returning refugees will not find a warm welcome in the Ukraine, understandably. But why return? The social security net in most European countries is quite generous concerning refugees.

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A hot potato that eventually will have to be taken into the hands of European politicians. What is a refugee for starters? Most refugees are "economical refugees".

Most European countries have not the financial capabilities to accomodate endless streams of "economical refugees", them originating from an increasing number of "failed states".

It is not Europes fault, that former "colonies" have mostly turned into "failed states".

Ukraine after they win the war will welcome back old men, women, and children. Obvious fighting age men not so much.

Edited May 29May 29 by Jingthing

Not so much Ukrainian refugees ,but the number of young men who

leave their countries ,if they are refugees ,pass through many safe

countries ,get in a rubber boat and land in UK, why ? , they must

think the streets a paved with gold.

regards worgeordie

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Ukraine after they win the war will welcome back old men, women, and children. Obvious fighting age men not so much.

Most Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland are between 18 to 30 years. Survey shows, that they belive that the Ukraine will not be able to win this war. That's why they left in the first place. It's hard to win a war if the odds are stacked at 10:1.

Are they smart or "traitors" in the eyes of their home country?

2 minutes ago, swissie said:

Most Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland are between 18 to 30 years. Survey shows, that they belive that the Ukraine will not be able to win this war. That's why they left in the first place. It's hard to win a war if the odds are stacked at 10:1.

Are they smart or "traitors" in the eyes of their home country?

I find your post ridiculous and you obviously have a toxic anti-Ukrainian bias.

You state an age range. Meaningless without gender info.

You state a survey without a source so meaningless.

This war has been going on since 2014 and yet Russia the invader occupier has only managed to take about 20 percent of Ukraine. That's not winning. That's losing. Yes it's a big Kremlin propaganda game to spread the narrative of the Russian victory inevitably. Ukrainian war refugees are real war refugees except in cases of fighting age men. They're shirkers in the time of their country's greatest need. Don't blame them really, nobody wants to die, but they're the opposite of heroes.

You're right in the sense that many won't go back if they've become well settled in a new country. Each individual case is different.

Edited May 29May 29 by Jingthing

16 minutes ago, swissie said:

Most Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland are between 18 to 30 years. Survey shows, that they belive that the Ukraine will not be able to win this war. That's why they left in the first place. It's hard to win a war if the odds are stacked at 10:1.

Are they smart or "traitors" in the eyes of their home country?

Rubbish. You have thrown out invented data to support your extremist position. The data on hand is the opposite. The demographic profile of Ukrainian refugees (many women, many children and elderly people, highly educated) is well documented.

Among people with Status S, there are 41637 women (i.e. 61.7%) and 25822 men (i.e. 38.3%) If we look at Ukrainian nationals irrespective of residence status, there is asimilar gender imbalance in favour of Ukrainian women (63.9% women)

12% of the refugees are children. The Ukrainian refugees are well educated too. Ukrainian male refugees in Switzerland skew towards age 60+

https://osf.io/tcnhx_v11

I only know one Ukrainian family here a mother and her children they belong to a fishing club I belong to.

The children go to school here (SW England) the mother says even though she is very grateful to be here where her children are safe its not her country and she cant wait for the war to be over so she can return to Ukraine. Fortunately her husband is still alive.

38 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Not so much Ukrainian refugees ,but the number of young men who

leave their countries ,if they are refugees ,pass through many safe

countries ,get in a rubber boat and land in UK, why ? , they must

think the streets a paved with gold.

regards worgeordie

Easy to stop them just let it be known that any man arriving illegally and applying for asylum are automatically castrated.

The bits are then frozen and handed back in a plastic bag if the asylum is refused.

15 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I find your post ridiculous and you obviously have a toxic anti-Ukrainian bias.

You state an age range. Meaningless without gender info.

You state a survey without a source so meaningless.

This war has been going on since 2014 and yet Russia the invader occupier has only managed to take about 20 percent of Ukraine. That's not winning. That's losing. Yes it's a big Kremlin propaganda game to spread the narrative of the Russian victory inevitably. Ukrainian war refugees are real war refugees except in cases of fighting age men. They're shirkers in the time of their country's greatest need. Don't blame them really, nobody wants to die, but they're the opposite of heroes.

You're right in the sense that many won't go back if they've become well settled in a new country. Each individual case is different.

I was hoping that you would focus on my OP thread. You can do better. To call my threads "meaningless" and "toxic", inspite of questions that "move the world". You prefer that everybody opposing your views is an uneducated moron. What qualifies you to be above "uneducated morons"? No matter what the subject is. You know it all. Using insulting language to make your "meaningful- point".

It is my opinion, that different views can be dispaiyed without using "foul words" and insulting linguistics . Agaist everbody.Try it !

6 hours ago, swissie said:

Most Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland are between 18 to 30 years. Survey shows, that they belive that the Ukraine will not be able to win this war. That's why they left in the first place. It's hard to win a war if the odds are stacked at 10:1.

Are they smart or "traitors" in the eyes of their home country?

I see that your use of Soviet/Putinesque "the Ukraine" marks you out as a Russophile who believes that Ukraine is not a proper country, and has no right to independence.

Most of them are women and kids. 75% are women. Most left behind partners in Ukraine.

33% of Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland are in work, which is much higher than for other refugee groups in Switzerland. Ukrainian male refugees are more likely to be in work than women. Employers express a reluctance to employ Ukrainians because they don't know how long they will be around. 70% of refugees have a university degree.

Language is a significant bar to integration in Switzerland.

People bitching about refugees is an age old thing. Notably, during WW2, Switzerland practised anti-Semitic policies by collaborating with the Germans over refusing entry by refugees who has the J stamp in their passports. The Bergier Commission concluded that about 24,000 Jewish refugees were refused entry or were forcibly deported to death camps by Switzerland.

The Swiss have a dirty secret in addition to the pollution they dump in the rivers for Belgium to clean up.

11 hours ago, swissie said:

The vast majority of Ukrainians have decided to stay. I don't know the total number of refugees, but in Switzerland we have 70 thousand.

Unfortunately, only 10% of them are gainfully employed, the rest is on "welfare".

Obvious and easily debunked nonsense:

“Around 40,000 Ukrainian adult refugees are currently residing in Switzerland as "persons in need of protection," admitted under Status S. As of the end of November 2025, approximately 46% of Status S permit holders of working age were employed after three years of residence, according to the State Secretariat for Migration (SEM).“

https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/home/new/monatsthema/2026/hiring-ukrainian-refugees-how.html

9 hours ago, swissie said:

I was hoping that you would focus on my OP thread. You can do better. To call my threads "meaningless" and "toxic", inspite of questions that "move the world". You prefer that everybody opposing your views is an uneducated moron. What qualifies you to be above "uneducated morons"? No matter what the subject is. You know it all. Using insulting language to make your "meaningful- point".

It is my opinion, that different views can be dispaiyed without using "foul words" and insulting linguistics . Agaist everbody.Try it !

it is meaningless and toxic because your argument relied on inaccurate data.

Ukraine after they win the war will welcome back old men, women, and children. Obvious fighting age men not so much.

But hell will be frozen over when Ukraine wins. Or Europe will be covered in green glass.

The only way that happens is NATO boots on the ground and WW3.

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

But hell will be frozen over when Ukraine wins.

Russia has lost the war; now it is a waiting game until the final collapse. This will be Putin's legacy.

18 minutes ago, impulse said:

But hell will be frozen over when Ukraine wins. Or Europe will be covered in green glass.

The only way that happens is NATO boots on the ground and WW3.

You clearly don't follow the news. Still brainwashed by the ancient Russian victory inevitability propaganda. How exactly a "win" actually occurs is another matter. Not necessarily getting all their land back right away necessarily. The key appears to be Crimea.

Clearly, any number of statistics can be produced. Take your pick. Not surprising in the age of fake news.

With exception of Africa, maybe, I really don't think there are any real refugees. Just 'economic' opportunist, most want a free hand out.

USA, not to go off topic (though 'refugees'), don't have any entering, now wanting to enter, from unsafe enviroments.

99.99% coming via southern border with Mexico, so they are already in a safe environment. Tax payers of all countries, can no longer afford to 'save the world'.

Most countries are in the red, bankrupt already. Govt running on unsecured borrowed money.

On 5/29/2026 at 4:06 PM, swissie said:

Most Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland are between 18 to 30 years. Survey shows, that they belive that the Ukraine will not be able to win this war. That's why they left in the first place. It's hard to win a war if the odds are stacked at 10:1.

Are they smart or "traitors" in the eyes of their home country?

Surveys by the UNHCR, the State Secretariat for Migration (SEM), and academic institutions show that Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland hold a distinct demographic profile. Approximately 75% to 80% of adult refugees are women, and a significant majority travel in family units with dependent children or elderly relatives.The specific age breakdown and demographics for Ukrainian refugees holding Protection Status S in Switzerland include:Age Distribution of Adults: Surveys targeting the 18+ population highlight that approximately 33% are young adults aged 18–34, about 63% are middle-aged (35–59), and 4% are 60 and older.Minors and Dependents: A large portion of the refugee population consists of children and adolescents, with many actively enrolled in Swiss public schools.Young Adult Males: Following martial law exemptions and exit regulations allowing 18 to 22-year-old men to leave Ukraine, Swiss authorities noted a significant spike in protection applications from this specific young demographic segment starting in autumn.For in-depth methodology and full datasets, you can explore the World Bank Microdata Library or the joint report via the UNHCR Operational Data Portal.

On 5/30/2026 at 2:58 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Obvious and easily debunked nonsense:

“Around 40,000 Ukrainian adult refugees are currently residing in Switzerland as "persons in need of protection," admitted under Status S. As of the end of November 2025, approximately 46% of Status S permit holders of working age were employed after three years of residence, according to the State Secretariat for Migration (SEM).“

https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/home/new/monatsthema/2026/hiring-ukrainian-refugees-how.html

So, 40 thousand of Ukrainian refugees need "protection". Does that mean that the majority of Ukrainians that have stayed need no protection? I suggest, all Ukrainians should be evacuated to Switzerland.

I rest my case.

52 minutes ago, swissie said:

So, 40 thousand of Ukrainian refugees need "protection". Does that mean that the majority of Ukrainians that have stayed need no protection? I suggest, all Ukrainians should be evacuated to Switzerland.

I rest my case.

I encourage the "thumps down" crowd to respond here in form of written words, assuming they are literate.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

With exception of Africa, maybe, I really don't think there are any real refugees. Just 'economic' opportunist, most want a free hand out.

USA, not to go off topic (though 'refugees'), don't have any entering, now wanting to enter, from unsafe enviroments.

99.99% coming via southern border with Mexico, so they are already in a safe environment. Tax payers of all countries, can no longer afford to 'save the world'.

Most countries are in the red, bankrupt already. Govt running on unsecured borrowed money.

Amen. How long will it take before European Govenments realise that most refugees are "economical refugees"?

The ignorance of those facts are already showing at the polls: Right wing parties, opposing uncontrolled immigration, are gaining massively. ALL OVER EUROPE.

1 hour ago, swissie said:

So, 40 thousand of Ukrainian refugees need "protection". Does that mean that the majority of Ukrainians that have stayed need no protection? I suggest, all Ukrainians should be evacuated to Switzerland.

I rest my case.

You don’t have a case.

You made up your numbers and now go all sullen for me calling you out on your nonsense.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You don’t have a case.

You made up your numbers and now go all sullen for me calling you out on your nonsense.

I certainly have a case. Why do most of Ukrainians that stayed not need protection? The "protection" only a privilege for those that "ran"?

Hot potato. Especially for those that return, once it is all over.

I wouldent't return, as "stigmatisation" would make it hard for them to be accepted as veritable Ukrainians again.

It is often quoted here, that a large number of Ukrainian women including their children have reached the shores of Europe.

What about the majority of Ukrainian women, including their children, that have decided to stay?

Who are the heroes in this war? In my view, the ones that stayed and not the ones that ran, enjoying the benefits of a lavish "social security system". Something that "the remaing mothers and their children" in the Ukraine don't have.

"Financial opportunism" has replaced the believe that the Messias will return soon in many corners of the world. Getting tired of waiting for his return. Easier to board a rubber boat and head for England.

The root of the refugee problem in general. Like it or not.

10 hours ago, swissie said:

I certainly have a case. Why do most of Ukrainians that stayed not need protection? The "protection" only a privilege for those that "ran"?

Hot potato. Especially for those that return, once it is all over.

I wouldent't return, as "stigmatisation" would make it hard for them to be accepted as veritable Ukrainians again.

It is often quoted here, that a large number of Ukrainian women including their children have reached the shores of Europe.

What about the majority of Ukrainian women, including their children, that have decided to stay?

Who are the heroes in this war? In my view, the ones that stayed and not the ones that ran, enjoying the benefits of a lavish "social security system". Something that "the remaing mothers and their children" in the Ukraine don't have.

"Financial opportunism" has replaced the believe that the Messias will return soon in many corners of the world. Getting tired of waiting for his return. Easier to board a rubber boat and head for England.

The root of the refugee problem in general. Like it or not.

Why does it bother you?

Switzerland is making a fortune out of this war like Switzerland makes a fortune out of every war.

33% of Ukrainian refugees in Switzerland are in work, which is much higher than for other refugee groups in Switzerland. Ukrainian male refugees are more likely to be in work than women. Employers express a reluctance to employ Ukrainians because they don't know how long they will be around. 70% of refugees have a university degree.

So, 2/3 of them are on the dole?

Are you holding that out as some kind of win? If anything, it shows just how misguided suicidal empathy has become, when 2/3 unemployment is better than most. That sounds rather expensive to the average Swiss taxpayer. (And the Swiss are hardly alone. Appx half of the "newcomers" in the USA are on some kind of government benefit program, decades after they arrive.)

20 hours ago, impulse said:

So, 2/3 of them are on the dole?

Are you holding that out as some kind of win? If anything, it shows just how misguided suicidal empathy has become, when 2/3 unemployment is better than most. That sounds rather expensive to the average Swiss taxpayer. (And the Swiss are hardly alone. Appx half of the "newcomers" in the USA are on some kind of government benefit program, decades after they arrive.)

You seem to lack empathy.

People don't flee total war, then think about their Linkedin profile.

The employment rate among refugees was much worse during WW2; in most cases, the host countries actively prevented them from gaining employment.

The war in Ukraine has been only going for a few years.

On 5/31/2026 at 3:38 PM, swissie said:

Amen. How long will it take before European Govenments realise that most refugees are "economical refugees"?

The ignorance of those facts are already showing at the polls: Right wing parties, opposing uncontrolled immigration, are gaining massively. ALL OVER EUROPE.

Oops, a slight cock up on the English there. To be an "economical refugee" implies a refugee who is careful with their money.

There is no such thing as "uncontrolled immigration". Immigration is highly controlled.

The parties you refer to are exploiting people's financial insecurity resulting from the Banking Crisis by pointing the fingers of blame at the usual. Exactly the same arguments were worn out in the 1930s. Your own country used the same arguments to hand over Jews to the Nazis, with the line "Das Boot ist voll", only to be changed in 1944 when you realised the Nazis were going to lose the war.

You Swiss were spouting in 1942 that the only reason Jews were fleeing to Switzerland was to start a business.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/jewish-refugee-policy_-the-boat-is-full-75-years-later/43531288

Many Jews newly arrived in Switzerland wish to start up businesses immediately and also want to engage in trade. These people’s correspondence clearly shows that they tell their friends and acquaintances to come join them in this paradise that is Switzerland, and the mere fact of accepting one in Switzerland gives ten others the chance to follow him here and get so settled in that we will have a lot of trouble getting rid of them. … These refugees have little discipline and often need to be dealt with very firmly if they are to respect the promises they made when they entered Switzerland.

Here, as elsewhere, it is undesirable for the Jewish population to exceed a certain proportion. Switzerland does not intend to let itself be led by the Jew, any more than it would like to be led by any foreigner … The Jew is not easily assimilated … Nor must one forget that many of them pose a danger to our institutions, being used to conditions in which the Jewish instinct for business has a tendency to run free.