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Italian Embassy apologises to Thailand over teenagers' behaviour

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5 students AND their supervisor involved in this dirty incident.

What a sense of entitlement is stuffed into their sick brains.

Has simple decency been erased from some minds?

These loud mouths are very common on the BTS... and they are never Thai people.

Milking it dry 😴

Id like to hear the OP opinion on the parties and funerals that blast music for miles........ disturbing hundreds if not thousands of people.

You know seeing as how we are talking about disgusting and all.

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14 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Id like to hear the OP opinion on the parties and funerals that blast music for miles........ disturbing hundreds if not thousands of people.

You know seeing as how we are talking about disgusting and all.

So the Italians were great?

1 minute ago, ravip said:

So the Italians were great?

Yes thats exactly what I said.

Smh.

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3 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Yes thats exactly what I said.

Smh.

Thailand would be a better place without scum of that sort.

1 minute ago, ravip said:

Thailand would be a better place without scum of that sort.

So no thoughts on the irony or hypocrisy?

Be on your way.

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6 minutes ago, blaze master said:

So no thoughts on the irony or hypocrisy?

Be on your way.

Absolutely true. Like that 18 year old kiwi stealing a swatch by mistake because he was confused, tired and inexperienced! Of course all these are totally justified. They just can't be bad.

Be on our way with a blank mind.

If nothing else, this incident proves the power of social media. The original video got 16 million views on X and generated dozens of follow-up videos on YouTube. I don't know how many views it got on Tik Tok because it was taken down, but it must have been a lot because it initially went viral.

The story was picked up by mainstream media across the world. The Italian embassy officially apologized and an Italian teachers' organization wants the video to be shown to all school children in Italy as an example of how not to behave. It has generated a huge amount of debate on social media, with the five Italian students and their teacher among the most hung out people in the world.

A minor occurrence on a subway train grabbed a huge amount of attention solely because it was posted to social media.

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Italian teachers' organization wants the video to be shown to all school children in Italy as an example of how not to behave.

Real education.

A minor occurrence on a subway train.

Minor occurrence to the perpetrators. Smacking of racism.

10 hours ago, blaze master said:

So no thoughts on the irony or hypocrisy?

Be on your way.

I 100% agree with you about that load music can be very disturbing in many cases, while many other things might look and seem strange to us. Something that leads us to label it as irony and hypocrisy, as you just did. That´s because it is in our way of thinking and compared to our customs and what we are used to. Looking at it from Thai cultural standards and viewpoint, they don´t see it that way. In Thai culture certain things are allowed at certain days, happenings and events, that are not allowed in other places. Thailand has many rules that we see as strange. It´s about learning to accept the new culture you find yourself in.

However, Thai´s must also learn to be more tolerant among foreigners, as some are here for a very short time, and do not have the time to learn and understand the culture.

11 hours ago, blaze master said:

Id like to hear the OP opinion on the parties and funerals that blast music for miles........ disturbing hundreds if not thousands of people.

You know seeing as how we are talking about disgusting and all.

A long-standing tradition that was probably in place before you or I were even born. You did know about that before you chose to move to Thailand, right? A bit more from google:

*Loud music and sound systems are a deeply rooted, highly communal element of Thai life, serving distinct cultural and social functions across Thailand Foundation ceremonies like funerals, local parties, and weddings.

Funerals (Ngarn Sop)

  • Traditional Rites: Monks chant Buddhist scriptures using amplification, and traditional ensembles like the piphat nang hong or oboe and drum units play mournful, ritualistic music to guide the deceased

  • Social and Celebration Aspects: Multi-day rural and regional funerals often transition from solemn prayers to communal gatherings where social bonding, food, and loud entertainment or specific final-wish performances occur to send off the departed.

  • Social Norms: High volume is accepted as a sign of a vibrant, successful, and well-attended merit-making or joyful social gathering. [1, 2]

4 minutes ago, ColeBOzbourne said:

A long-standing tradition that was probably in place before you or I were even born. You did know about that before you chose to move to Thailand, right? A bit more from google:

*Loud music and sound systems are a deeply rooted, highly communal element of Thai life, serving distinct cultural and social functions across Thailand Foundation ceremonies like funerals, local parties, and weddings.

Funerals (Ngarn Sop)

  • Traditional Rites: Monks chant Buddhist scriptures using amplification, and traditional ensembles like the piphat nang hong or oboe and drum units play mournful, ritualistic music to guide the deceased

  • Social and Celebration Aspects: Multi-day rural and regional funerals often transition from solemn prayers to communal gatherings where social bonding, food, and loud entertainment or specific final-wish performances occur to send off the departed.

  • Social Norms: High volume is accepted as a sign of a vibrant, successful, and well-attended merit-making or joyful social gathering. [1, 2]

Like some have mentioned in earlier topics, if you dislike the noise, move to the country away from the village as far as possible, as it's ingrained in society here to make loud noise at weddings and funerals.

I live 1/2 kilo outside our village streets, and can hear the music and announcements at 6AM, but I'm an early riser so it doesn't matter anyway.

The wedding music can be heard but not that loud where I am. if I was closer or in the village proper, I would wear earplugs to sleep as no one's going to stop this tradition and complaints will fall on deaf ears and isn't a way to integrate here as long as you're living here. The elderly here rise early so they aren't missing sleep as they usually go to bed early also.

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The discussion concerned Italian students and their supervisor causing a disturbance on the BTS. When a Thai woman objected, the response reportedly shifted to comments about the money they bring into the country.

It is disappointing to see the focus then move toward criticizing Thai people and local customs in an effort to excuse poor behaviour.

Surely basic courtesy means respecting the norms of the country you are visiting. If someone cannot do that, they should reconsider whether they are prepared to be there.

The apparent sense of entitlement is troubling and seems far removed from the mutual respect that visitors and hosts should show one another.

Going back centuries... this has been the norm.

9 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

I 100% agree with you about that load music can be very disturbing in many cases, while many other things might look and seem strange to us. Something that leads us to label it as irony and hypocrisy, as you just did. That´s because it is in our way of thinking and compared to our customs and what we are used to. Looking at it from Thai cultural standards and viewpoint, they don´t see it that way. In Thai culture certain things are allowed at certain days, happenings and events, that are not allowed in other places. Thailand has many rules that we see as strange. It´s about learning to accept the new culture you find yourself in.

However, Thai´s must also learn to be more tolerant among foreigners, as some are here for a very short time, and do not have the time to learn and understand the culture.

Just because they see it different does not make them right.

8 hours ago, ColeBOzbourne said:

A long-standing tradition that was probably in place before you or I were even born. You did know about that before you chose to move to Thailand, right? A bit more from google:

*Loud music and sound systems are a deeply rooted, highly communal element of Thai life, serving distinct cultural and social functions across Thailand Foundation ceremonies like funerals, local parties, and weddings.

Funerals (Ngarn Sop)

  • Traditional Rites: Monks chant Buddhist scriptures using amplification, and traditional ensembles like the piphat nang hong or oboe and drum units play mournful, ritualistic music to guide the deceased

  • Social and Celebration Aspects: Multi-day rural and regional funerals often transition from solemn prayers to communal gatherings where social bonding, food, and loud entertainment or specific final-wish performances occur to send off the departed.

  • Social Norms: High volume is accepted as a sign of a vibrant, successful, and well-attended merit-making or joyful social gathering. [1, 2]

Just because it is a tradition does not make it right.

They are being highly inconsiderate to others. Do you really think thai are happy when it happens to them. I dont. I think they just avoid the confrontation about it. but my guess is they would be pissed like many others would be.

They just dont say anything....until a neighbor pops and kills someone over it.

A scenario which I have read about many times on here.

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That´s because it is in our way of thinking and compared to our customs and what we are used to. Looking at it from Thai cultural standards and viewpoint, they don´t see it that way.

Thai´s must also learn to be more tolerant among foreigners,

The crux of the problem is this: when we are in Thailand, we insist on having things done our way, yet we expect the Thai people to tolerate and accommodate our preferences without question. That expectation is unreasonable and unacceptable. Respect for the host country, its customs, and its way of doing things is not optional... it is a basic responsibility of any visitor.

Are not the Thais more tolerant than some of the foreigners around? Really?

2 hours ago, blaze master said:

Just because they see it different does not make them right.

According to their culture and their way of looking at things, they are right. Same as for you, and looking at things your way, makes it right for you.

Remember where you are. You are not home in Thailand. You might move to Thailand, but before it becomes your home, you must accept their ways and their culture.

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43 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

According to their culture and their way of looking at things, they are right. Same as for you, and looking at things your way, makes it right for you.

Remember where you are. You are not home in Thailand. You might move to Thailand, but before it becomes your home, you must accept their ways and their culture.

I find that stance a cop out. Common decency is universal and knows no culture.

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