As we all fight gravity and aging I wonder, would you (or have you) undergone surgical or non-surgical procedures?

A friend of mine back in the US uses botox --not regularly but occasionally, she feels it helps to fight the wrinkles. Another friend of mine is considering a lift, she is a buxom gal and gravity is starting to take its toll.

So, I was wondering, would you consider such things? Have you done any? Were you happy with the results if you have?

Gentlemen, if you or your wife has undergone such procedures I'd be interested in their (or your) feelings about the results as well.

So, I was wondering, would you consider such things? Have you done any? Were you happy with the results if you have?

Gentlemen, if you or your wife has undergone such procedures I'd be interested in their (or your) feelings about the results as well.

I have not done any but whenever I hit 50 I would consider doing it!! Not sure where yet but it gotta be something here and there.

Tech, med, surgery get up advance everyday and by some time in the future for those who wanna do it should be just fine.

Have not done it myself, but I will if I want to - you live only once!

ive not had surgery but i have had a 'filler' put into the lines on the corner of my mouth (cant believe i just said that on a public forum but anyway).

i would definitely consider surgery but there are limitations. luckily for me, i was 'blessed' with oily skin, so i dont look my age (although some days i do feel it). i dont have wrinkles YET but i am sure they will come. i look at other girls my age and think that i am lucky in that respect. if i did get a bit baggy around the eyes, i would definitely consider an eye job.

although i am a 'voluptuous' girl, liposuction is something that i would never consider. too much trauma on the body. no thanks.

but if it makes you feel good, i say go for it.

Gentlemen, if you or your wife has undergone such procedures I'd be interested in their (or your) feelings about the results as well.

once in a while my Old Lady is thinking aloud about undergoing such procedures. then i have a hard time to convince her that i appreciate and even prefer the changes nature had and still has in store for her. until now i have always succeeded in changing her mind.

by the way, i am not even telling her lies but mean what i say!

Before I left Thailand last year, I went to Yanhee and had a couple of small moles removed from my face. I luckily don't get wrinkles, but there was something about the time in the sun there that made some unobtrusive moles more so. I kind of understand why Asian women avoid the sun - it's not only about staying white, but keeping the complexion clear of blotchy spots. Anyway, they removed a mole and a couple of freckles with a laser, and it was very cheap and effective. One criticism: I only went in for the mole removal, but while I was on the table, the dermatologist went ahead and removed two freckles, without my asking; he was right - it looked good, but I was uncomfortable with the liberty that he took before consulting. But, that is typically a cultural issue, not a technical one.

While there, my curiosity got the better of me, and I consulted with a plastic surgeon. I forget the guy's name, but he was youngish (late 30s/40s), was Thai Chinese, spoke good English with a British accent, and flirted with me the whole time! It was also obvious to me that he lived in the West for awhile, because he was very "on" with his flirting and chit chat. He told me that I shouldn't even think about coming back until I was approaching my 60s - how's that for an ego boost? So, I'd say there are definitely some good and trustworthy plastic surgeons at Yanhee.

In all honesty, it was interesting, but I am very much an exercise, nutrition, and moisturizer advocate. I think that's why I got such a good "read" from a plastic surgeon in my 40s.

hmm, i really don't know. i never had to think about it til recently, and i am now officially in my early 30s! i think i might be interested in a bit of help, now that you ask!

girlx, I've seen pictures of you, and you do not need any help. This is silly, and what I think is a complete photoshop and medical "colonization" of our idea of beauty. The only thing you probably need is a good facial and spa like the rest of us.

Before I left Thailand last year, I went to Yanhee and had a couple of small moles removed from my face. I luckily don't get wrinkles, but there was something about the time in the sun there that made some unobtrusive moles more so. I kind of understand why Asian women avoid the sun - it's not only about staying white, but keeping the complexion clear of blotchy spots. Anyway, they removed a mole and a couple of freckles with a laser, and it was very cheap and effective. One criticism: I only went in for the mole removal, but while I was on the table, the dermatologist went ahead and removed two freckles, without my asking; he was right - it looked good, but I was uncomfortable with the liberty that he took before consulting. But, that is typically a cultural issue, not a technical one.

While there, my curiosity got the better of me, and I consulted with a plastic surgeon. I forget the guy's name, but he was youngish (late 30s/40s), was Thai Chinese, spoke good English with a British accent, and flirted with me the whole time! It was also obvious to me that he lived in the West for awhile, because he was very "on" with his flirting and chit chat. He told me that I shouldn't even think about coming back until I was approaching my 60s - how's that for an ego boost? So, I'd say there are definitely some good and trustworthy plastic surgeons at Yanhee.

In all honesty, it was interesting, but I am very much an exercise, nutrition, and moisturizer advocate. I think that's why I got such a good "read" from a plastic surgeon in my 40s.

Hi Kat,

I read your post with interest and can totally understand where you are coming from re: moles and increased exposure to sun (resulting in skin damage) from when we live out here for a while!

I also need a couple of moles removing from my face which have intensified. Would you mind giving the name of the Doctor @Yanhee? Except for taking the freckles away without asking first , would you recommend him? (apart from giving a gal an ego boost! whether she wants one or not!!! Betcha you were flummoxed eh! ).

Feel free to PM back if we have gone off topic! Cheers.

Getting back on topic to SBK's post, I think it is up to the individual's choice. Everyone needs to feel comfortable in their skin - some may choose some cosmetic assistance, other prefer the "au natrel" look. But ultimately, be it Botox, plastic surgery, a boob job or liposuction, I think the most important thing is that the individual does it because he/she wants it and not to fulfill a partner's dream etc.

Remember we are all beautiful - inside and out. Ladies, Go knock' em dead!

Hi Andiamo:

I saw a dermatologist at Yanhee, who lasered off a mole, and two freckles. He did an excellent job. I don't remember his name, but his door is at the far left when you sit down in front of the dermatology unit there. I think they are probably all good, but I was referred to him, because I think he is the laser expert.

The plastic surgeon was upstairs, and was totally charming. I am by no means saying that I am perfect by a longshot - in fact I consulted him about what I long considered to be a flaw in my jaw line. But, he was totally honest rather than trying to make easy money off of me, and told me that right now I would be wasting my money and to wait. I don't remember that guys name either, just that he was cute and spoke English with a British accent.

*and flummoxed is not the word - I was totally and utterly psyched to be told this by a plastic surgeon in my 40s - woo hoo!

Now, I just have to hit the gym real hard after being back in the states after a year .... well, you can't win them all, folks.

Edited October 20, 200718 yr by kat

once in a while my Old Lady is thinking aloud about undergoing such procedures. then i have a hard time to convince her that i appreciate and even prefer the changes nature had and still has in store for her. until now i have always succeeded in changing her mind.

by the way, i am not even telling her lies but mean what i say!

We need more of guys like you in our world

I would consider it. In fact I will def have some kind of boob lift in the future as having a baby has really done damage to my lady lumps.

Hi Andiamo:

I saw a dermatologist at Yanhee, who lasered off a mole, and two freckles. He did an excellent job. I don't remember his name, but his door is at the far left when you sit down in front of the dermatology unit there. I think they are probably all good, but I was referred to him, because I think he is the laser expert.

Andiamo:

I'm sorry - his door is at the far RIGHT when sitting down facing the dermo unit. Phew - what am I smoking today?

I would consider it. In fact I will def have some kind of boob lift in the future as having a baby has really done damage to my lady lumps.

I always joke with my girlfriends that if I was running for president right now, I would make heavily-subsidized tummy tucks and boob lifts a mandate

*(post pregnancy that is; As for the rest - go to the gym like the rest of us).

Edited October 20, 200718 yr by kat

I would consider it. In fact I will def have some kind of boob lift in the future as having a baby has really done damage to my lady lumps.

I am thinking about that too. Might be the first thing if I ever needed to re-new. Ha.

It is said that it takes approx 15 months for your body to really get back to normal post pregnancy & not to do anything until this time has elapsed so I have another 10 months to wait & see what the real damage is but i just know the boobs aren't going back to their former glory.

Kat for president

It ain't gonna be the same, that's why mama needs some knife beauty. Kids took all what best from us mama which I am happy to. No complains but now it's time for mama to do some' for herself - make it all works like a magic 20's!!

Edited October 20, 200718 yr by legag

Just in case no one knows me, I am male. I say no. I am against most forms or serious plasctic surgery. I myself find such operations to be completely vain based endeavors and considering the level of pain the body goes through such vainity is out weighted in any logically light.

There are other aspects of plastic surgery which disturb me greatly. I have known women, poor, with kids save money up to have boob jobs done instead of for the kids. I worked with a young lady like this. She was so proud of her new boobs and drove a crappy car and her kids needed new clothes.....I could go on.

Another example I have seen is young ladies, like teenagers, not done growing yet, with parents paying for new boobs because of good grades or as a graduation present. Or their 'loving concerned" boyfriend wants her to be happy with herself and keeps talking her into. I am not speaking second hand here. I have these conversations been apart of them.

Now, I realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so this is just my opinion, bear with me. I live and work in one of America's most shallow areas. Johnson County Kansas. I have no idea what it is ranked right now, but it used to be in the top five richest per cap counties, along with Orange in Kali. I work for The Evil Empire (Starbucks) and I see everyday these suburbanites. Wow, white women with fake tans and different levels of structural work done. Sagging faces and breasts up to their necks. People with so much botox in their face it doesn't really move, like some doll face from some cheap 1980's horror film (Chucky). They look like mutant Barbie dolls and still just as plastic. No, age with grace. Take care of your body and it will take care of you. In the later years physical vanity is one of those things that we should be wise enough not to give in to.

Okay, I'll done. I tried not to be too harsh and this is just my opinion. I am not hating on people who do under go any such surgery, but I have never suggested anyone should. I should say that the cases of people wounded or breast cancer survivors who under go surgery is perfectly understandable. That is about returning to the norm.

I totally understand your post Thaibebop, and actually agree with a lot of your sentiment.

I am a bit of a hypocrite, though, because I support some procedures and not others. I mostly support small procedures that put you right again, as you mentioned for cancer survivors or accident victims. However, I think motherhood and the loss of "the norm" take a toll on a woman, in a way that men do not have to deal with in their lives. I view tummy tucks and breast lifts in the category of "returning to the norm."

I don't view laser mole removals or other small procedures in the same manner as major plastic surgery.

I am mostly more along the line of your views, except for what I described above. But, I am hypocritical, because I do not view breast implants or other vanity-induced changes (as opposed to maintenance) favorably. And I will get in trouble for this, but if truth be told, I think ridiculously large breast implants, or surgery *to please men is idiotic.

** so, in essence, I view these small maintenance procedures of "returning to the norm" one of the benefits of advanced science, such as new medical or technological advances that make it easier, rather than as a way to completely change my appearance.

Edited October 20, 200718 yr by kat

Now, women can change just about any part of their body, and they continue to torture themselves with this self-induced surgery to be accepted. That's all cosmetic surgery is. While many have convinced themselves that our patriarchal dominated society forces them to such drastic measures in order to be attractive, the fact is, they are doing it to themselves.

No man ever forces a woman to get liposuction or breast implants. I doubt most men even know that the latter exists, and if they did force a woman to have such a procedure, then the woman should just take it as a wake up call he is definitely not the man for her.

Cosmetic surgeons are capitalizing off women's insecurities as they have these procedures to feel more confident about themselves. However, if you can't be confident enough to function in society without stilettos, then you need to see a psychologist, not a podiatrist.

Surgery is always risky, which is why doctors usually consider it as a last resort in health problems.

I totally understand your post Thaibebop, and actually agree with a lot of your sentiment.

I am a bit of a hypocrite, though, because I support some procedures and not others. I mostly support small procedures that put you right again, as you mentioned for cancer survivors or accident victims. However, I think motherhood and the loss of "the norm" take a toll on a woman, in a way that men do not have to deal with in their lives. I view tummy tucks and breast lifts in the category of "returning to the norm."

I don't view laser mole removals or other small procedures in the same manner as major plastic surgery.

I am mostly more along the line of your views, except for what I described above. But, I am hypocritical, because I do not view breast implants or other vanity-induced changes (as opposed to maintenance) favorably. And I will get in trouble for this, but if truth be told, I think ridiculously large breast implants, or surgery *to please men is idiotic.

** so, in essence, I view these small maintenance procedures of "returning to the norm" one of the benefits of advanced science, such as new medical or technological advances that make it easier, rather than as a way to completely change my appearance.

I agree with you. Small little things that make an overall difference can be understood as a return to norm. It seems many people are not able to do that. They get in those offices and those doctors spin like they work for Bush and than these ladies get completely made over. I have heard how some of these doctors talk people into more than what they came in for. "Well, since your here and on the table would you like us to......" I know this sounds over the top but I am failing to find a good metaphor, sometimes the whole plastic surgery sence seems to close to playing God to me.

I'm quite surprised by the pro-plastic surgery responses (and happy to read the anti surgery opinions of the guys!). Are people really so vain and ruled by their ego (completely rhetorical question!)? I'm not so happy with my lumps and bumps in certain areas but I know that if I exercised more and ate less it would cure the problem. As to the effects of aging...we're human, we grow old, we live on a planet with gravity, we die... that's life, accept it! If we're sun smart, eat well, don't smoke, drink moderately, that helps to slow down the signs of aging.

I know most women go under the knife for themselves not for their partner but they do it from low self esteem...anyone who loves themselves wouldn't have a need to "fix" themselves surgically.

I think if you have a medical condition such as breathing problems for one example, it's alright to have nose surgery to fix it or if you have a prominent birthmark or moles on your face that people constantly stare at, it's ok to remove, but to have surgery or botox (which is a toxin!) purely to boost your self esteem is a sign that other areas of your life need addressing (such as "why do I have low self esteem?"). Sure the surgery may make you feel better because you look perkier but the underlying problem will still be there as to why you don't like being in your own skin. But that's just my opinion! Do what you need to

I don't think it is just about self esteem.

I don't see why women shouldn't be able to feel good about how they look & to do what they can to feel comfortable in their own body. As long as it is for them alone then I see no problem with it. It is on par with wearing make up & getting your hair done IMO. Why do we use moisteriser or sun block if not to slow down the aging process??

That said, the excessive surgeries some women (& men) have is a def. cry for help in a lot of cases (look at micheal jackson or jocelyn wildenstien for example) and really think that surgeons should have more screening & mental assesments in place when someone is having a lot of radical cosmetic plastic surgery but the odd nip or tuck is, for me no problem.

Personally, the low self esteem comes from trying to do it for a man or cause they care what other people think of them & that goes for wearing make up, doing your hair or wearning nice things. it should only be done for you & no one else.

sure, why not! if it makes you feel better.

Just curious, RueFang, how old are you?

Wait until you are 40 and things start to sag a little. Exercise can only go so far and aging is tough. I call it the freaky forties. Ladies who've hit it will know what I mean. And if you haven't, you will find out.

Seriously tho, I wouldn't go for any major upgrades as it were but for women who want a few minor things fixed, I see no problem. Yes, there are women (and men--think Burt Reynolds) who've gone too far but there are also women who have had minor changes that have dramatically increased their appearance (think Halle Berry).

If you have it done so you feel better about yourself and you are doing yourself no long-term damage, I see no reason to not do so. For those who stand in judgment, there will come a day when every woman looks at herself in the mirror and wonders if a little bit something more might help.

I, personally, would not do it but neither do I judge those who do. Hence why I was curious as to those who had some procedures (not necessarily drastic plastic surgery--but minor stuff too) and if they were happy with the results. So far, I've heard very little from people who've actually done anything.

I'm quite surprised by the pro-plastic surgery responses (and happy to read the anti surgery opinions of the guys!). Are people really so vain and ruled by their ego (completely rhetorical question!)? I'm not so happy with my lumps and bumps in certain areas but I know that if I exercised more and ate less it would cure the problem. As to the effects of aging...we're human, we grow old, we live on a planet with gravity, we die... that's life, accept it! If we're sun smart, eat well, don't smoke, drink moderately, that helps to slow down the signs of aging.

I know most women go under the knife for themselves not for their partner but they do it from low self esteem...anyone who loves themselves wouldn't have a need to "fix" themselves surgically.

I think if you have a medical condition such as breathing problems for one example, it's alright to have nose surgery to fix it or if you have a prominent birthmark or moles on your face that people constantly stare at, it's ok to remove, but to have surgery or botox (which is a toxin!) purely to boost your self esteem is a sign that other areas of your life need addressing (such as "why do I have low self esteem?"). Sure the surgery may make you feel better because you look perkier but the underlying problem will still be there as to why you don't like being in your own skin. But that's just my opinion! Do what you need to

I actually really do understand what you're saying, and mostly agree. However, even in the bloom of my hyper-opinionated 20s (if you guys can believe that - ha ha), I always said that I couldn't judge a woman (or a man for that matter) who was dealing with aging, because I didn't know that experience.

I highlighted a segment of your comments above, because YOU KNOW that you can fix your issues with exercise. Thankfully, I still have that luxury as well; that is not true for everyone. In the case of motherhood, there are things that are lost at a prime age, that will never return to its former state. Do you really think you understand that experience well enough to judge it as vain? I'm a woman without children, and all I know is that I still have an advantage of fixing things at the gym, but many mothers lose that option after childbirth. And don't kid yourself, we as women are still held to that standard, whether we have had children or not.

So yes, even though I am a very big advocate of exercise and nutrition - which I adamantly do NOT believe can be substituted by plastic surgery - I do support some procedures which help people to "return to the norm." Call me vain or shallow, or whatever you want, but there are many facets to me, and my physical appearance is only one, but it does exist.

Just curious, RueFang, how old are you?

Wait until you are 40 and things start to sag a little. Exercise can only go so far and aging is tough. I call it the freaky forties. Ladies who've hit it will know what I mean. And if you haven't, you will find out.

Seriously tho, I wouldn't go for any major upgrades as it were but for women who want a few minor things fixed, I see no problem. Yes, there are women (and men--think Burt Reynolds) who've gone too far but there are also women who have had minor changes that have dramatically increased their appearance (think Halle Berry).

If you have it done so you feel better about yourself and you are doing yourself no long-term damage, I see no reason to not do so. For those who stand in judgment, there will come a day when every woman looks at herself in the mirror and wonders if a little bit something more might help.

I, personally, would not do it but neither do I judge those who do. Hence why I was curious as to those who had some procedures (not necessarily drastic plastic surgery--but minor stuff too) and if they were happy with the results. So far, I've heard very little from people who've actually done anything.

Hehe - I edited because I forgot to comment on this. I guess I must be "freakin'" out now, because I can no longer eat or drink whatever I want without consequences. I guess everyone has to grow up at some point, but they'll have to drag me away kicking and screaming. However, there is something nice about a full, voluptuous body - haha.

Edited October 21, 200718 yr by kat

sure, why not! if it makes you feel better.

I had an alcoholic tell me once "Who cares your liver when it feels good"

However, there is something nice about a full, voluptuous body

...of a lady is appreciated by (non vegetarian) REAL men!

the thought of going under the knife..

scare the light out of me..

My wife has been wanting to get a breast "augmentation". I keep telling her she doesn't need to, hers are perfect in my view, but she's stubborn (Isan!)

We hear Yanhee is the best for this. I went with her to see the doctor, curious about examples of results, but all they had were a few old and fuzzy pictures.

A friend of mine, in the same situation, gave me some advice.

Now, ladies out there, don't take offense at this but...many of the bargirls (Nana, Patpong, Soi Cowboy, whatever) have done this already, and many are willing to "show" you the results, up close, for a small "tip".

So, if you really really want to see some actual finished work, you know where to go.