Foreign Police Volunteers Based In Soi 9 Police Station

[pop3]

I was listening to a few of these whiter than white wanabe cop's sitting down talking the other night in walking street. dressed like Gestapo they were talking at the top of their voices about girls they had been with lately, part of the conversation went like this, This one had real big tit's, I bent her over and gave her a right stabbing.

These guy's are just a bunch of tourists that came here, decided to live here and realized they can do a job here in the police force that they would never in a million years be accepted for in the west.

Having one come up to me at a road block with his hello hello hello attitude is not going to be appreciated.

[plasticpig]

name='pop3' date='2007-11-02 23:13:18' post='1630023']

I was listening to a few of these whiter than white wanabe cop's sitting down talking the other night in walking street. dressed like Gestapo they were talking at the top of their voices about girls they had been with lately, part of the conversation went like this, This one had real big tit's, I bent her over and gave her a right stabbing.

These guy's are just a bunch of tourists that came here, decided to live here and realized they can do a job here in the police force that they would never in a million years be accepted for in the west.

Having one come up to me at a road block with his hello hello hello attitude is not going to be appreciated.

And i thought they were top guys.

Is it true? if so who said it?

[mcgriffith]

Gentlemen (and ladies) I don't know if these overheard comments are either germane or constructive to the discussion of the Foreign Police Volunteers.

Let us try to restrict our observations to things that won't descend into a mud slinging match. Thanks for your understanding.

[dodraugen]

I was listening to a few of these whiter than white wanabe cop's sitting down talking the other night in walking street. dressed like Gestapo they were talking at the top of their voices about girls they had been with lately, part of the conversation went like this, This one had real big tit's, I bent her over and gave her a right stabbing.

These guy's are just a bunch of tourists that came here, decided to live here and realized they can do a job here in the police force that they would never in a million years be accepted for in the west.

Having one come up to me at a road block with his hello hello hello attitude is not going to be appreciated.

I think you should look at some movies from the second world war....and see how the gestapo were dressed! ...Secondly.........dont every guys in every working place talk about women?..... .....and last....why dont you apply for a job?....maybe you could do a better job

[sriracha john]

They were working with the Police traffic department...

... a senior Police traffic officer issued an official letter supporting their application.

They both... ended up spending time in jail.

A salutary lesson for those who think they are safe doing something here , paid or unpaid, without a work permit.

....the right hand often does not know what the left hand is doing in this country, and rivalries and jealousies between businesses, government departments and government organisations/agencies know no bounds.

You have been warned.

Correction: If you're not working as a FPV (without a work permit), you have nothing to worry about.

they became pawns in a little power struggle and were assured that everything was fine, and all permissions were in place for them to continue to do their work. It transpired that they were led a nasty dance to jail. It's not too difficult to imagine a similar scenario with our current band of valiant volunteers.

It is certainly relevant, as would be any true account that emphasises to the fickle nature of the Thai authorities, and the sort of mess you can yourself into if you are not careful.

Thank you, Mobi, for the astute and succinct posts that illustrate the dangers and precarious nature of Thailand these "workers" for FPV and FTPA face.

I've since spoken to the 2 foreigners and they both decided it was in their own best self-interests to not apply.

[NanLaew]

I was listening to a few of these whiter than white wanabe cop's sitting down talking the other night in walking street. dressed like Gestapo they were talking at the top of their voices about girls they had been with lately, part of the conversation went like this, This one had real big tit's, I bent her over and gave her a right stabbing.

These guy's are just a bunch of tourists that came here, decided to live here and realized they can do a job here in the police force that they would never in a million years be accepted for in the west.

Having one come up to me at a road block with his hello hello hello attitude is not going to be appreciated.

My father, a +30 year police veteran (who wore black by the way) admitted that once, on a cold morning on the beat, him and his offsider talked about the size of the tits on the Super's new secretary.

And your point is?

[sbk]

I reiterate McG's open warning regarding pursuing this discussion about overheard conversations. Lets try to keep this a constructive conversation.

[thainet]

Why do all you guys (Si R J, Mobi and others) care so much about other peoples business. Obviously you guys do not want to join either group, so leave it at that.

From the posts on this thread and others in the past then it is clear most of you know nothing about the FTPA's or the new FTV's, what they really do to help the police and the community and as long as they are happy with their Visa status then don't try to stir trouble for the sake of it. If you really think about it, if both groups have ID's officially issued by the Royal Thai Police/Tourist Police and help the Highway Police and other Government Depts, then they are exempt from the normal rules for this type of community assistance, so don't dig for something that's not there.

Also as far as I can see both of these groups do admirable jobs for the community as a whole, albeit in different capacities, so if a lot of you would stop sniping at each other, then maybe sense would prevail on the need for Foreign assistants all over Thailand in different situations and capacities.

Cheers for now....

[Mobi]

Why do all you guys (Si R J, Mobi and others) care so much about other peoples business. Obviously you guys do not want to join either group, so leave it at that.

From the posts on this thread and others in the past then it is clear most of you know nothing about the FTPA's or the new FTV's, what they really do to help the police and the community and as long as they are happy with their Visa status then don't try to stir trouble for the sake of it. If you really think about it, if both groups have ID's officially issued by the Royal Thai Police/Tourist Police and help the Highway Police and other Government Depts, then they are exempt from the normal rules for this type of community assistance, so don't dig for something that's not there.

Also as far as I can see both of these groups do admirable jobs for the community as a whole, albeit in different capacities, so if a lot of you would stop sniping at each other, then maybe sense would prevail on the need for Foreign assistants all over Thailand in different situations and capacities.

Cheers for now....

That is your opinion - which you are perfectly entitled to state.

We have other opinions - are we not entitled to state them - in an open forum, where the purpose is to inform and discuss?

Or are you suggesting that free speech should be suppressed in the interest of the greater good?

Edited November 3, 2007 by Mobi

[begsaresponse]

Why do all you guys (Si R J, Mobi and others) care so much about other peoples business. Obviously you guys do not want to join either group, so leave it at that.

From the posts on this thread and others in the past then it is clear most of you know nothing about the FTPA's or the new FTV's, what they really do to help the police and the community and as long as they are happy with their Visa status then don't try to stir trouble for the sake of it. If you really think about it, if both groups have ID's officially issued by the Royal Thai Police/Tourist Police and help the Highway Police and other Government Depts, then they are exempt from the normal rules for this type of community assistance, so don't dig for something that's not there.

Also as far as I can see both of these groups do admirable jobs for the community as a whole, albeit in different capacities, so if a lot of you would stop sniping at each other, then maybe sense would prevail on the need for Foreign assistants all over Thailand in different situations and capacities.

Cheers for now....

That is your opinion - which you are perfectly entitled to state.

We have other opinions - are we not entitled to state them - in an open forum, where the purpose is to inform and discuss?

Or are you suggesting that free speech should be suppressed in the interest of the greater good?

But you know some people just open their mouths and let their belly rumble!

[GooMaiRoo]

It does seem at first glance that the rules of the road are similar between Thailand and Western countries but there is one major difference. Very few of the rules here are documented, taught and enforced and most are open to interpretation. Even a basic principle such as driving to the left of the line is openly disregarded often.

The major offenders are the Thai, not tourists!!

You will not see any fines being collected at a proper highway police roadblock. Any motorist who has infringed the road rules will be issued a ticket, and he/she will have to go to the local police station to pay the fine.

IME Official Highway Police road blocks are usually manned by a senior officer

who will accept the payments on the spot and issue a receipt.

Unless there is a receipt book on show, any "fine" you pay will really be bribe.

For instance many people either are unaware or just don't care that people are not allowed to ride in the back of a pickup truck unless you have yellow commercial plates, so when stopped at a checkpoint because children are riding in the back of your pickup truck the FPV volenteers explain the law especially to foreigners that have been stopped.

Barry

I wonder why the Thais do not know about this law?

Without using the back of the pickup, my Thai family could

not possibly go around together..........

They have never been stopped either.

On the few times I have been stopped by the Highway police

it has generally been a scam.

"You were going too fast"

"No, I was driving at the limit of 90kph"

"Oh! Then you were in the righthand lane"

"Yes, I was overtaking a lorry"

"Oh" "OK you can go.

If you are accused of speeding then ask how fast you were going.

If the answer is 97, or something exact like that, then they have you bang

to rights, as they used a radar gun. But I have not seen that lately.

IME the Highway officers do speak enough English to do the job.

Given all this I can see little to justify the use of FPVs

I asked my girlfriend if she knew it was illegal to sit in the back of a pickup, she said yes but you can do in Pattaya, but cannot in Bangkok. Funny that, you hardly ever see anyone in the back of a pickup in Bangkok.

[Mobi]

But you know some people just open their mouths and let their belly rumble!

Hm.. I wonder who they may be?

[Mobi]

I asked my girlfriend if she knew it was illegal to sit in the back of a pickup, she said yes but you can do in Pattaya, but cannot in Bangkok. Funny that, you hardly ever see anyone in the back of a pickup in Bangkok.

In many respects Bangkok operates on totally different set of rules and standards than the rest of Thailand. Witness building sites in Bangkok, where everyone is required to wear proper hard hats, and there is a proper effort made to ensure safety on site. Cut to a similar site in the Pattaya environs where the only regulation that the contractors may fall foul of is the employment of illegal Burmese and Cambodian labour who are regularly rounded up by immigration police and released after the requisite backhanders are paid. Safety hats? Whoever heard of such a thing - and anyway, they are not Thais, so who cares?

A year or so back there was a terrible tragedy on a Bangkok elevated expressway, when a pick-up loaded with workers crashed and toppled over the barrier onto the road below. I think over 20 were killed. I think this tragedy may have caused the police to enforce better safety standards.

Down in this neck of the woods, we often try to count the number of labourers that are crammed into the back of pick-ups as they are transported to building sites. I think we once counted 25, including a crippled old lady, and a couple of babies.

[GooMaiRoo]

4) hm1973 makes some assumptions that are wrong. Firstly the primary role of the FPV is NOT to assist the tourists (unlike the TP who's role is), the role of the FPV is to assist any foriegner who comes into the police station, or to assist the Thai police with any foriegner they are having problems with. Secondly the FPV's are not being "taken out of Soi 9". These are additional duties being carried out over a trail period. Our duties in the police station will continue to be carried out as usual. As for being "in the field" our duties are no different to that in Soi 9 so there is no need to worry about that. The only difference is we will be sitting at a desk outside as opposed to being inside. Although I am not a leader in the FPV's group, I have attended a meeting where the HP representive was there and as previously stated this request has come from them and they say there is a need.

I would suggest you tell the public what the FPV are...and what they do. I dont think you know what FTPA are. Follow your own suggestion here.

I put it to you that any foreigner who does not have permanent residency in Thailand is a TOURIST!

[JimmyCA]

Why do they need foreign help to do their job?

In Scandinavia , all policemen speak English and most even speak German. In USA most policement also speak Spanish.

Thar Phom Samart Rean Phasa Thai- Khun Kor Samart rean Phasa Eunggrit Dai Muen Gun!

(if I can learn Thai - then they can learn English!)

Why did you not write this in Thai characters? No Thai person, without special training, could decipher this writing.

So, you have answered your own question.

Edited November 3, 2007 by JimmyCA

[GooMaiRoo]

The Working of Aliens Act B.E. 2521 Effective from July 22, 1978

Purpose:

1.To reserve the occupations for Thai people;

2.To control the working of aliens in Thailand; and

3. To promote the investment and employment in the country.

"Alien" means a natural person who is not of Thai nationality.

"Work" means to engage in work by exerting energy or using knowledge whether or not in consideration of wages or other benefits.

Essence of the Act:

An alien may engage in work after receiving work permit granted by the Director-General of Department of Employment or by the official entrusted by the Director-General. However, this does not apply to a member of a diplomatic mission, a member of a consular mission, a representative of member countries and officials of the United Nations and its specialized institutions including a personal servant coming to work for the above persons, or a person who performs duty of mission under an agreement concluded between the government of Thailand and foreign government or international organizations, or a person who performs duty for the benefit of education, culture, art, sports or other activities as may be prescribed by the Royal Decree.

Section 34.

Any alien who is working in violation of Section 7 or in violation of the conditions specified under Section 9 or works without a permit or in violation of the conditions prescribed by the Minister under Section 12 shall be liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three months, or to a fine not exceeding five thousand Baht, or to both.

Did you ever consider that just being alive and in country we are exerting energy?

Do you drive here or read a forum here. Both would require the use of knowledge.

An alien may engage in work after receiving work permit granted by the Director-General of Department of Employment or by the official entrusted by the Director-General.

However, this does not apply to or a person who performs duty for the benefit of education, culture, art, sports or other activities as may be prescribed by the Royal Decree.

Personally I can admit I haven't read all Royal decree's. Maybe there is one that covers people working for the Police or Military. You'd suspect there'd have to be. I mean it would do arresting foreign participants in Cobra Gold or policemen coming here to escort people being extradited.

The above suggests that teachers and photographers don't need workpermits?

Cheers

Drivers here don't have much knowledge or common sense, bravery more like! It is the Thais on the road who are absolute maniacs with no regard for public safety. Personally I believe it to be a 'face' issue. If you overtake someone they loose face, if they allow you out of a junction they loose face and will do their very best to regain position and cut you up in the process. The lord Buddha tells everyone they will be reincarnated if they die, they make merit in this life in the hope that they'll come back as something better, which is why they have no fear on the road. It's almost like telling suicide bombers they will go to heaven and be surrounded by virgins after they die, lets face it you don't find many virgins in Pattaya.

[GooMaiRoo]

I asked my girlfriend if she knew it was illegal to sit in the back of a pickup, she said yes but you can do in Pattaya, but cannot in Bangkok. Funny that, you hardly ever see anyone in the back of a pickup in Bangkok.

In many respects Bangkok operates on totally different set of rules and standards than the rest of Thailand. Witness building sites in Bangkok, where everyone is required to wear proper hard hats, and there is a proper effort made to ensure safety on site. Cut to a similar site in the Pattaya environs where the only regulation that the contractors may fall foul of is the employment of illegal Burmese and Cambodian labour who are regularly rounded up by immigration police and released after the requisite backhanders are paid. Safety hats? Whoever heard of such a thing - and anyway, they are not Thais, so who cares?

A year or so back there was a terrible tragedy on a Bangkok elevated expressway, when a pick-up loaded with workers crashed and toppled over the barrier onto the road below. I think over 20 were killed. I think this tragedy may have caused the police to enforce better safety standards.

Down in this neck of the woods, we often try to count the number of labourers that are crammed into the back of pick-ups as they are transported to building sites. I think we once counted 25, including a crippled old lady, and a couple of babies.

The law about hard hats applies in Pattaya, but given the amount of construction how could it ever be enforced? Actually, there's a job for the FPV's, they are not here to assist tourists, so why not do something useful instead of intimidating holiday makers and trying to look something special when in fact they're not?

[hm1973]

What was this thread about again.......a bit Off Topic now don't you think?

[sriracha john]

Why do all you guys (Si R J, Mobi and others) care so much about other peoples business.

They are representing the entire Foreigner community in a very public manner. It's not a matter of involving oneself is someone else's personal and private affairs.

Obviously you guys do not want to join either group, so leave it at that.

If this or any other thread concerning them was merely a recruiting campaign, you'd have a point, but it's not.

From the posts on this thread and others in the past then it is clear most of you know nothing about the FTPA's or the new FTV's, what they really do to help the police and the community

Who's fault is that? When a plethora of questions on a number of threads go completely unanswered or are given non-answers, who's responsible? When various issues are met with evasiveness and shrouded in secrecy, just how is it possible to not "know nothing about them"? An excellent example of which is the recent one regarding work permits. It was never addressed, despite numerous inquiries, until it took a former member of the group to respond.

and as long as they are happy with their Visa status then don't try to stir trouble for the sake of it.

Their visa status may be fine, but clearly their work permit status is not.

If you really think about it, if both groups have ID's officially issued by the Royal Thai Police/Tourist Police and help the Highway Police and other Government Depts, then they are exempt from the normal rules for this type of community assistance, so don't dig for something that's not there.

By that same logic, any number of positions with governmental departments would be covered and would thus not require work permit, eg. volunteering at a government school to teach English, which I can tell you from personal experience is practically impossible. Additionally, given that the law allows special personnel to work without work permits with the provision they are issued an official and individual work permit exemption letter, it would seem the legal and prudent approach would be to have coverage provided by that avenue. Finally, while having "official ID's" from the police might look nice, they are not work permits, which are not handled by the police, but by the Labour Ministry.

Also as far as I can see both of these groups do admirable jobs for the community as a whole, albeit in different capacities, so if a lot of you would stop sniping at each other, then maybe sense would prevail on the need for Foreign assistants all over Thailand in different situations and capacities.

Cheers for now....

I appreciate your post as it allows for further explanations and discussions to develop. Thank you.

Edited November 3, 2007 by sriracha john

[thainet]

Why do all you guys (Si R J, Mobi and others) care so much about other peoples business.

They are representing the entire Foreigner community in a very public manner. It's not a matter of involving oneself is someone else's personal and private affairs.

Obviously you guys do not want to join either group, so leave it at that.

If this or any other thread concerning them was merely a recruiting campaign, you'd have a point, but it's not.

From the posts on this thread and others in the past then it is clear most of you know nothing about the FTPA's or the new FTV's, what they really do to help the police and the community

Who's fault is that? When a plethora of questions on a number of threads go completely unanswered or are given non-answers, who's responsible? When various issues are met with evasiveness and shrouded in secrecy, just how is it possible to not "know nothing about them"? An excellent example of which is the recent one regarding work permits. It was never addressed, despite numerous inquiries, until it took a former member of the group to respond.

and as long as they are happy with their Visa status then don't try to stir trouble for the sake of it.

Their visa status may be fine, but clearly their work permit status is not.

If you really think about it, if both groups have ID's officially issued by the Royal Thai Police/Tourist Police and help the Highway Police and other Government Depts, then they are exempt from the normal rules for this type of community assistance, so don't dig for something that's not there.

By that same logic, any number of positions with governmental departments would be covered and would thus not require work permit, eg. volunteering at a government school to teach English, which I can tell you from personal experience is practically impossible. Additionally, given that the law allows special personnel to work without work permits with the provision they are issued an official and individual work permit exemption letter, it would seem the legal and prudent approach would be to have coverage provided by that avenue. Finally, while having "official ID's" from the police might look nice, they are not work permits, which are not handled by the police, but by the Labour Ministry.

Also as far as I can see both of these groups do admirable jobs for the community as a whole, albeit in different capacities, so if a lot of you would stop sniping at each other, then maybe sense would prevail on the need for Foreign assistants all over Thailand in different situations and capacities.

Cheers for now....

I appreciate your post as it allows for further explanations and discussions to develop. Thank you.

Once again I cannot fathom why you are so insistent on this Work permit subject. What business is it of your's if you do not belong to either group.

I think there is something else you are hiding to be so aggressive with this subject. From your teacher admission above you've definitely been shit on by somebody so now need to vent your feelings on others--shame on you for being so shallow. I don't blame either of the groups for not discussing these issues with people like you on the forum. As I said if they are happy with their situation (some for more than 5 years) then why can't you be. Bye 4 now...

[dodraugen]

Why do all you guys (Si R J, Mobi and others) care so much about other peoples business. Obviously you guys do not want to join either group, so leave it at that.

From the posts on this thread and others in the past then it is clear most of you know nothing about the FTPA's or the new FTV's, what they really do to help the police and the community and as long as they are happy with their Visa status then don't try to stir trouble for the sake of it. If you really think about it, if both groups have ID's officially issued by the Royal Thai Police/Tourist Police and help the Highway Police and other Government Depts, then they are exempt from the normal rules for this type of community assistance, so don't dig for something that's not there.

Also as far as I can see both of these groups do admirable jobs for the community as a whole, albeit in different capacities, so if a lot of you would stop sniping at each other, then maybe sense would prevail on the need for Foreign assistants all over Thailand in different situations and capacities.

Cheers for now....

I think you are spot on here!

[Totster]

Thanks for all your responses,

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totster