I'm Not Claiming To Look Like Brad Pitt Or His Current Wife, But...

[Weho]

I'm not the best or worst looking person in the world... but yesterday, while at the Royal Garden, around 6 PM, I saw the ugliest family I had ever seen IN MY LIFE... anywhere... looked like two parents, mid 40's, and 3 kids, about 7, 12 and 19... just brutal... all of them... I'm guessing they were from south eastern europe, maybe a bit north, maybe a bit east of there... I wish I had my camera to document it, but I didn't... they were dressed like average tourists, but they were all overweight, and just had ugly faces... just brutal... Brutal... no other word describes them so accurately.

The mother was the fugliest of them all, it looked as if she was trying to make an ugly face, but that was just her natural facial expression. The father had these big, thick thunder-thighs, cut off shorts, real hairy legs, and of course a few tattoos. I felt kind of bad for them, as some people are just born big, and ugly, and there's not much they can do about it. To have to go around life, looking like that, is kind of sad.

=gon

And the kids were all ugly too, even the little one... not the kind of child anyone would ever approach and say, "how adorable!" It just won't happen to them. And I'll be they were nice people, just having a little fun on vacation, not hurting anyone... I appreciate all tourists who choose to come to our lovely town by the sea... but these folks ain't a-gonna make it onto any brochure enticing people to go anywhere.

Again, I'm not claiming to be the most attractive person in the world, and admittedly, someone may find me fuglier than I found this family, but, in general, I think I'm right about these people. If you see them around town in the next few days, that would be great if you could snap a picture, and email it to me, via this website.

But imagine how horrible it must be to know that wherever they go as a family, whoever they come in contact with simply HAS to think to themself, "gosh, these people are fugly..." I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's the way I see it.

And it wasn't that their skin looked really bad or sickly... not that at all... it was just that they were so fugly... all of them... I wonder if the parents ever though to each other, "I'm ugly, you're ugly, should we really even have children, cause lord knows, they ain't a-gonna be movie stars..."

I'm going back to the Royal garden tonight, to see if they will be there again... I'm really fascinated by these people... and I think the older kid was the ugliest of them all... Yech! Bad faces, bad hair, bad everything....

I'm so glad I can pass judgment on people I don't know, on this anonymous website.

[chuckd]

Be sure and take your camera with you tonight.

[sbk]

[chinthee]

Weho, next time you're in the states, you should spend a day at Disneyland or Universal studios, and take your camera. Should be lots of material there for this thread.

[Pushit]

I'm not the best or worst looking person in the world... but yesterday, while at the Royal Garden, around 6 PM, I saw the ugliest family I had ever seen IN MY LIFE... anywhere... looked like two parents, mid 40's, and 3 kids, about 7, 12 and 19... just brutal... all of them... I'm guessing they were from south eastern europe, maybe a bit north, maybe a bit east of there... I wish I had my camera to document it, but I didn't... they were dressed like average tourists, but they were all overweight, and just had ugly faces... just brutal... Brutal... no other word describes them so accurately.

The mother was the fugliest of them all, it looked as if she was trying to make an ugly face, but that was just her natural facial expression. The father had these big, thick thunder-thighs, cut off shorts, real hairy legs, and of course a few tattoos. I felt kind of bad for them, as some people are just born big, and ugly, and there's not much they can do about it. To have to go around life, looking like that, is kind of sad.

=gon

And the kids were all ugly too, even the little one... not the kind of child anyone would ever approach and say, "how adorable!" It just won't happen to them. And I'll be they were nice people, just having a little fun on vacation, not hurting anyone... I appreciate all tourists who choose to come to our lovely town by the sea... but these folks ain't a-gonna make it onto any brochure enticing people to go anywhere.

Again, I'm not claiming to be the most attractive person in the world, and admittedly, someone may find me fuglier than I found this family, but, in general, I think I'm right about these people. If you see them around town in the next few days, that would be great if you could snap a picture, and email it to me, via this website.

But imagine how horrible it must be to know that wherever they go as a family, whoever they come in contact with simply HAS to think to themself, "gosh, these people are fugly..." I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's the way I see it.

And it wasn't that their skin looked really bad or sickly... not that at all... it was just that they were so fugly... all of them... I wonder if the parents ever though to each other, "I'm ugly, you're ugly, should we really even have children, cause lord knows, they ain't a-gonna be movie stars..."

I'm going back to the Royal garden tonight, to see if they will be there again... I'm really fascinated by these people... and I think the older kid was the ugliest of them all... Yech! Bad faces, bad hair, bad everything....

I'm so glad I can pass judgment on people I don't know, on this anonymous website.

Do not judge others on appearance, it's shallow and confirms all doubt about yourself!!

[sweetchariot]

I'm not the best or worst looking person in the world... but yesterday, while at the Royal Garden, around 6 PM, I saw the ugliest family I had ever seen IN MY LIFE... anywhere... looked like two parents, mid 40's, and 3 kids, about 7, 12 and 19... just brutal... all of them... I'm guessing they were from south eastern europe, maybe a bit north, maybe a bit east of there... I wish I had my camera to document it, but I didn't... they were dressed like average tourists, but they were all overweight, and just had ugly faces... just brutal... Brutal... no other word describes them so accurately.

The mother was the fugliest of them all, it looked as if she was trying to make an ugly face, but that was just her natural facial expression. The father had these big, thick thunder-thighs, cut off shorts, real hairy legs, and of course a few tattoos. I felt kind of bad for them, as some people are just born big, and ugly, and there's not much they can do about it. To have to go around life, looking like that, is kind of sad.

=gon

And the kids were all ugly too, even the little one... not the kind of child anyone would ever approach and say, "how adorable!" It just won't happen to them. And I'll be they were nice people, just having a little fun on vacation, not hurting anyone... I appreciate all tourists who choose to come to our lovely town by the sea... but these folks ain't a-gonna make it onto any brochure enticing people to go anywhere.

Again, I'm not claiming to be the most attractive person in the world, and admittedly, someone may find me fuglier than I found this family, but, in general, I think I'm right about these people. If you see them around town in the next few days, that would be great if you could snap a picture, and email it to me, via this website.

But imagine how horrible it must be to know that wherever they go as a family, whoever they come in contact with simply HAS to think to themself, "gosh, these people are fugly..." I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just saying that's the way I see it.

And it wasn't that their skin looked really bad or sickly... not that at all... it was just that they were so fugly... all of them... I wonder if the parents ever though to each other, "I'm ugly, you're ugly, should we really even have children, cause lord knows, they ain't a-gonna be movie stars..."

I'm going back to the Royal garden tonight, to see if they will be there again... I'm really fascinated by these people... and I think the older kid was the ugliest of them all... Yech! Bad faces, bad hair, bad everything....

I'm so glad I can pass judgment on people I don't know, on this anonymous website.

Do not judge others on appearance, it's shallow and confirms all doubt about yourself!!

Ha ha. Touche!

[Naam]

OHMIGOSH! Weho is back and bullshitting again...

[begsaresponse]

So weho what do you look like?

Short, tall, finely tuned, chunky, muscles from Brussells, hair/no hair, fat?

Who would you like to look like?

Sorry I know of topic but you did beg the question!

So please begsaresponse.......

[Weho]

Weho, next time you're in the states, you should spend a day at Disneyland or Universal studios, and take your camera. Should be lots of material there for this thread.

I have seen the "Wide loads" in those amusement parks... I don't go for the rides, I go to see the freaks... But I can assure you, Europe is getting there too, and China is ALREADY there... now that everyone is eating McDonald's, and other fast food, the whole world is getting bigger... I have nothing against Micky D's... they don't force anyone at gunpoint to eat their food... but people are getting bigger... but BIGGER DOESN'T MEAN UGLY... People can be overweight, even grossly overweight, yet still make an effort to look attractive... I'm just saying these people at the RGP had it all: overweight and just genetic uglyness.

I know lots of overweight people that aren't even remotely "fugly"... FUGLY is a different animal... one that sometimes should be "put down"...

[Weho]

OHMIGOSH! Weho is back and bullshitting again...

Yes, I'm back... (temporairily)... and look who took the bait to respond!!! Thanks for the attention... I LOVE IT!!

[Weho]

So weho what do you look like?

Short, tall, finely tuned, chunky, muscles from Brussells, hair/no hair, fat?

Who would you like to look like?

Sorry I know of topic but you did beg the question!

So please begsaresponse.......

When I walk around sois in Pattaya, that have hookers on the soi, I seem to get cat calls of "you sexy!" from all genders, non-gendered people, trans-genders, etc... I don't know how sincere they are, but they seem to like me...

I'm supposed to be at the upcoming THAI VISA PARTY, i think this Saturday??? So you can get all your questions answered there...

[MeaMaximaCulpa]

Weho,

Good to see you back and in good form. It was not so much fun in the Pattaya forum without you.

More please!

[Boo]

wow, married with 3 kids & having nice foreign holidays as a family, seems like they have a nice sucessful life, even if they are uggers. Sounds like the op has a touch of the green eyed moster to me.

[Weho]

Weho,

Good to see you back and in good form. It was not so much fun in the Pattaya forum without you.

More please!

You'll get fed up with me... they always do...

[Weho]

wow, married with 3 kids & having nice foreign holidays as a family, seems like they have a nice sucessful life, even if they are uggers. Sounds like the op has a touch of the green eyed moster to me.

Actually, we shouldn't really assume they were married, or they were their kids, or that they were foreign, or that they were even on holiday here, "as a family"... those are all speculations... but the one thing that was FACT, was that they were fugly. As fugly as can be. Let's put it this way: the family won't be modeling for the 2008 Abercrombie & Fitch campaign...

I don't know anything about any green eyed monster, but I can tell you stories about my one-eyed gila monster...

[sbk]

OHMIGOSH! Weho is back and bullshitting again...

Yes, I'm back... (temporairily)... and look who took the bait to respond!!! Thanks for the attention... I LOVE IT!!

[Weho]

OHMIGOSH! Weho is back and bullshitting again...

Yes, I'm back... (temporairily)... and look who took the bait to respond!!! Thanks for the attention... I LOVE IT!!

Wow, that was really clever... you really put me in my place... why not let other people decide for themself what they want to read and/or reply to... as long as I'm not off topic, or threatening, which I'm not, I don't see the problem... I wish I had the time or inclination to look up some of your posts to see what I'm doing wrong... you should be the barometer of exciting posts... you should be the judge.

The point of this thread is that there are ugly, unattractive people here in Pattaya, probably tourists... that doesn't mean they don't deserve appreciation and respect for being here, it's just an observation... like you've observed that you think I'm a "troll"... why don't you start your own thread about how awful I am... this one is about ugly people.... if that's of no interested to you, and I don't claim everyone should be interested in this, they i would suggest you find something more interesting to you... I see someone is now asking about accomodation on Koh Larn... maybe you can help them out...

[sbk]

Forum rules

Do not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or any attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants. The word, or its derivative, "trolling", is used to describe such messages or the act of posting them.

[Boo]

Actually, we shouldn't really assume they were married, or they were their kids, or that they were foreign, or that they were even on holiday here, "as a family"... those are all speculations...

And I replied as per your op....

the ugliest family I had ever seen IN MY LIFE... anywhere... looked like two parents, mid 40's, and 3 kids, about 7, 12 and 19...

The mother

The father

And the kids were all ugly too

I appreciate all tourists

But imagine how horrible it must be to know that wherever they go as a family

,

I wonder if the parents ever though to each other, "I'm ugly, you're ugly, should we really even have children

And finally;

I'm so glad I can pass judgment on people I don't know, on this anonymous website.

Yes it must make you feel very big & important.

[Ijustwannateach]

OHMIGOSH! Weho is back and bullshitting again...

Yes, I'm back... (temporairily)... and look who took the bait to respond!!! Thanks for the attention... I LOVE IT!!

Wow, that was really clever... you really put me in my place... why not let other people decide for themself what they want to read and/or reply to... as long as I'm not off topic, or threatening, which I'm not, I don't see the problem... I wish I had the time or inclination to look up some of your posts to see what I'm doing wrong... you should be the barometer of exciting posts... you should be the judge.

The point of this thread is that there are ugly, unattractive people here in Pattaya, probably tourists... that doesn't mean they don't deserve appreciation and respect for being here, it's just an observation... like you've observed that you think I'm a "troll"... why don't you start your own thread about how awful I am... this one is about ugly people.... if that's of no interested to you, and I don't claim everyone should be interested in this, they i would suggest you find something more interesting to you... I see someone is now asking about accomodation on Koh Larn... maybe you can help them out...

"Brad's" going on a people-watching holiday for awhile...

"S"

[chuckd]

Forum rules

Do not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or any attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants. The word, or its derivative, "trolling", is used to describe such messages or the act of posting them.

Not being a "Super Moderator", I cannot speak from that point of view.

However, being one of the first members of the forum, I can safely speak from several years of enjoying my membership. I joined on 11/26/2002, which, as I recall, was four days into the adventure called Thaivisa.

One thing I enjoy is the give and take of opinions and a touch of humor. Weho adds all of this and sparks the Pattaya threads as nobody else does or has in the years I have been a member.

I will continue to enjoy his/her threads and poke fun when I can.

[sbk]

An interesting article on trolls.

What is an Internet Troll?

An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He (and it is usually he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

Why does it Matter?

Some people -- particularly those who have been online for years -- are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

<...snip...>

The Webmaster's Challenge

When trolls are ignored they step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed -- more on this later.

The moderator of a message board may not be able to delete a troll's messages right away, but their job is made much harder if they also have to read numerous replies to trolls. They are also forced to decide whether or not to delete posts from well-meaning folks which have the unintended effect of encouraging the troll.

Some webmasters have to endure conscientious users telling them that they are "acting like dictators" and should never delete a single message. These people may be misinformed: they may have arrived at their opinion about a troll based on the messages they see, never realizing that the webmaster has already deleted his most horrific material. Please remember that a troll does have an alternative if he has something of value to say: there are services on the net that provide messaging systems free of charge. So the troll can set up his own message board, where he can make his own decisions about the kind of content he will tolerate.

Just how much can we expect of a webmaster when it comes to preserving the principles of free speech? Some trolls find sport in determining what the breaking point is for a particular message board operator. They might post a dozen messages, each of which contains 400 lines of the letter "J". That is a form of expression, to be sure, but would you consider it your duty to play host to such a person?

Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a webmaster is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, the webmaster has to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself.

What about Free Speech?

When trolls find that their efforts are being successfully resisted, they often complain that their right to free speech is being infringed. Let us examine that claim.

While most people on the Internet are ardent defenders of free speech, it is not an absolute right; there are practical limitations. For example, you may not scream out "Fire!" in a crowded theatre, and you may not make jokes about bombs while waiting to board an airplane. We accept these limitations because we recognize that they serve a greater good.

Another useful example is the control of the radio frequency spectrum. You might wish to set up a powerful radio station to broadcast your ideas, but you cannot do so without applying for a license. Again, this is a practical limitation: if everybody broadcasted without restriction, the repercussions would be annoying at best and life-threatening at worst.

The radio example is helpful for another reason: with countless people having a legitimate need to use radio communications, it is important to ensure that nobody is 'monopolizing the channel'. There are only so many clear channels available in each frequency band and these must be shared.

When a troll attacks a message board, he generally posts a lot of messages. Even if his messages are not particularly inflammatory, they can be so numerous that they drown out the regular conversations (this is known as 'flooding'). Needless to say, no one person's opinions can be allowed to monopolize a channel.

The ultimate response to the 'free speech' argument is this: while we may have the right to say more or less whatever we want, we do not have the right to say it wherever we want. You may feel strongly about the fact that your neighbor has not mowed his lawn for two months, but you do not have the right to berate him in his own living room. Similarly, if a webmaster tells a troll that he is not welcome, the troll has no "right" to remain. This is particularly true on the numerous free communications services offered on the net. (On pay systems, the troll might be justified in asking for a refund.)

Conclusion

Next time you are on a message board and you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, simply write a follow-up message entitled "Troll Alert" and type only this:

The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

By posting such a message, you let the troll know that you know what he is, and that you are not going to get dragged into his twisted little hobby.

Excerpts from the article

"Internet Trolls"

Copyright © 2001 by Timothy Campbell

July 13 2001 Edition