The 'first Help' Can Save Someone's Life.

[starman_tom]

This is a very sad story, my heart goes out to her family, friends and loved ones.

http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_20_02_51_2.html

To see a young girl like this pass away, it just breaks my heart. I work as an electrical engineer, and i think that if someone at the store would have done 'artificial ventilation' (respiration) and/or 'cardiopulmonary resuscitation' (cardiac massage) for her at the time, she might still be alive. There could have been the need for a defibrillator though.

Most of the times when someone suffer from cardiac arrest from electric shock the person can be brought back without electronic devices. This is because death normally occurs from lack of breathing, not because of the heart itself stops delivering O-blood throughout the body. Most of the times the heart still beats some time after the breathing has stopped.

Again, i want to send my deepest condolences to the family. A real tragedy indeed.

Tom Degerth (Finland)

Bangkok

[Cuban]

Company motto from her ID card "Life is better with ALL" !

There are threads elsewhere on here about Thais stopping to watch the scene of an accident rather than jumpping it to help or take action.

[percy2]

It should be compulsory in all countries for students to take a CPR course before leaving highschool.

Cheers

[Thaiboxer]

I learned CPR at one of my jobs in the States. Unfortunately, it's not something that you're retested on so it tends to be forgotten over time. Basic first aid such as broken limbs, bleeding and how to save somebody from drowning (without them drowning you too) are pretty easy to remember. CPR requires a lot of care as the person is closer to death than with the aforementioned injuries in most cases, plus you're pressing on the ribcage.

[percy2]

Refresher courses are good.

I might be misunderstanding you but, if I had a heart attack and my heart and breathing had stopped I would appreciate CPR from somebody who half remembered how to do it than none at all.

Cheers

[TheDon]

I did a course back in HS, but have no idea now how to do it

[ignoramus]

The routine changed relatively recently. I did a St Johns course many years ago TD, and have forgotten most of it.

I think it used to be 15 breaths and 2 pumps, and is now 30 and 2....but ain't sure. Either way I think the technique has been simplified.

I keep collecting first aid stuff and then can't find it (and pray I don't need it).

However I reckon I'd take it a tad more seriously if I was in LOS, which appears to be the modern-day Wild West (every-man-for-himself-wise).

For those interested, I'd imagine "st johns first aid" in Google would provide a clue.

(I haven't read the original link - can't handle such stories.

[Yadayada]

Hi all,

It's 30 compressions to 2 rescue breaths.

Regards, Yadayada.

[mr_hippo]

Before anyone goes rushing in, please, please remember rule number one - protect yourself, make sure the scene is safe and do not become casualty number two!

[percy2]

Before anyone goes rushing in, please, please remember rule number one - protect yourself, make sure the scene is safe and do not become casualty number two!

Not having a dig , but how safe?

Safe from death , severe injury , slight injury or spoiling your clothes.

If we take it as just a blanket statement everybody is just going to stand around and watch.

As for updated procedures , the recipient won't really care if ots 15 or 30 breaths between chest compressions, owt is better than nowt as I would have said a few years ago.

Cheers

[david96]

This death would have been prevented if the building owner had installed a 30mA RCD (residual current device) to protect the circuit to which the faulty appliance was connected. The PE (protective earth conductor) was broken or non existant.

Time is of important when a victim is unconcious and not breathing and/or the heart has stopped.

Remember only 10% of victims are revived.

[mr_hippo]

Before anyone goes rushing in, please, please remember rule number one - protect yourself, make sure the scene is safe and do not become casualty number two!

Not having a dig , but how safe?

Safe from death , severe injury , slight injury or spoiling your clothes.

If we take it as just a blanket statement everybody is just going to stand around and watch.

As for updated procedures , the recipient won't really care if ots 15 or 30 breaths between chest compressions, owt is better than nowt as I would have said a few years ago.

Cheers

How safe? There are no hard and fast rules here for some situations. Electrical - turn off power if able to, remove cable/appliance with e.g. wooden broomstick or even kick the cable away if you are wearing suitable footwear. Rescueing people from burning buildings/cars is a judgement call: I know we are told 'Do not enter a burning building' but if it was your loved one in thee, what would you do? If you are worried about spoiling your clothes in an emergency then you must be very vain! (I realise that you put that in for illustration purposes!)

A good illustration of 'keeping safe' happened in France about 20 years ago (I am relying on memory). Late one night, a woman crashed her car through a hedge and collided with an electric pylon dislodging a supply cable. 'Rescuer number 1' saw the arcing, wntover to the car and received a hefty blast from the now live car and was thrown away from it. During the night, there were four other 'attempts'. In the morning when the 'professionals' arrived, they found the woman in the car and four 'dead 'rescuers' nearby. The woman? She was in the car and insulated but in a very, very shocked state. IIRC, report in the UKs Daily Express.

You are right about 'owt is better than nowt' and do not worry about cracked ribs - they are temporary but death is not and it does take a lot of force to break a person's rib.