Sad Police Story

[joeyb]

I just returned from an otherwise wonderful vacation in Lamai. On one of the last days i met a girl who told me an unbelievably sad story.

She saw a girl hunched over crying and holding her back. This girl apparently was a bargirl at one of the bars in the center of Lamai. She didn't know this girl, but had to try and help her. The girl was whipped with a belt and assaulted by a young Italian tourist. She had mutilpe wounds and lacerations all across her back (I've seen a pic from her phone cam). She took the girl to the Lamai police station to try and get the Italian guy to pay for the medical treatment. The Lamai chief told her "what can I do she lady bar". After much arguing the Lamai chief refused to do anything because she was a bargirl even though she was obviously in need of medical treatment.

Long story short, the girl I met gave her enough money to go home to her parents in Issan. No medical treatment, no police investigation whatsoever. Just a painful bus ride home with a shattered back.

I assume this is because they don't want any negative publicity about some farang tourist on holiday assaulting some poor Issan girl. I knew there was a lot of corruption with thai police, but nothing like this. How can someone "turn a blind eye" to an innocent girl (of the same nationality) being whipped by a drunken foreigner. At least get the guy to pay for her medical treatment at the absolute bear minimum!

As someone who is hoping to move to Samui in the next year, this really upset me. I'm from the States so this type of police inaction is just appalling. Is this an isolated incident or will the local authorities do anything to keep "bad news" out of the papers and media??

[goonerthegooner]

Welcome too the real life joeyb. Having lived in the LOS for over 10 years,I have seen many things,covered up,or turned a blind eye too.In the western world it would not happen.

Have you ever thought this ''''Italian man'''' that beat her,could have been her Thai Boyfriend???, Why??,because she did not get enough money that day for his drink and drug habit.

Read between the lines.

[froggshw]

wow.....the assumptions some people make.....

[Prakanong]

wow.....the assumptions some people make.....

I know???

As the OP says it might have been that they did not want negative publicity but my gues was that they could not be bothered.

In cases i have known in Pattaya and Bangkok the police have been straight on the girls side - even if it was only to line their own pockets in the process - guess Lamai cops must be creaming enough off elsewhere!

[taxexile]

Long story short, the girl I met gave her enough money to go home

your friend was succesfully scammed.

the police would take action against a foreigner accused of attacking a thai , bargirl or not.

domestic violence between thais is common and often the police wont get involved.

As someone who is hoping to move to Samui in the next year, this really upset me. I'm from the States so this type of police inaction is just appalling. Is this an isolated incident or will the local authorities do anything to keep "bad news" out of the papers and media??

if something as minor as this upset you , then you are far too sensitive a soul to be considering a move to thailand ,let alone samui. living with injustice and selective enforcement of the already vague laws here is a way of life.

have a look at this link about the thai police

to serve and protect

b.t.w. whatever happened to those cops who beat up rodney king ?

Edited April 11, 2008 by taxexile

[sweetchariot]

If the Iti man had done as she said, then they would have come down on him like a ton of bricks, if they managed to get there before the locals had beaten him to within an inch of his life with sticks and bricks.

For the OP I see 2 possible scenarios here.

1. She managed to scam your g/f for a bit of cash.

2. You were asked to replace said cash which is why you are really upset.

A farang beating on a Thai girl and getting away with it???? Get real

Edit// misread Taxexiles post and have removed defamotory comments. Sorry

Edited April 11, 2008 by sweetchariot

[MSingh]

There is also the possibility that she WAS paid to have that done to her as part of the nights " activities ", there are some real strange people out there when it comes to how they like their s*x...

As people have said, a Fraang doing that to a Thai, in Thailand ??

Never in a million years, they would have come down on him liek a tonne of bricks & if in Public, the Guy would still bein hospital, if not a Mortuary, right now.

[breezein]

Sadly that is Samui in a nutshell although its normally thai guys doing the beating, but more and more other nationals are sending there girlfriends/bargirls out to earn money for there habits. A lot of crime is now controlled by forirgners, the polce dont mind where they get thier tea money. If you dont like this sort of thing dont move to Samui as you will see all sorts of similar things.

[Gatorade]

I just returned from an otherwise wonderful vacation in Lamai. On one of the last days i met a girl who told me an unbelievably sad story.

She saw a girl hunched over crying and holding her back. This girl apparently was a bargirl at one of the bars in the center of Lamai. She didn't know this girl, but had to try and help her. The girl was whipped with a belt and assaulted by a young Italian tourist. She had mutilpe wounds and lacerations all across her back (I've seen a pic from her phone cam). She took the girl to the Lamai police station to try and get the Italian guy to pay for the medical treatment. The Lamai chief told her "what can I do she lady bar". After much arguing the Lamai chief refused to do anything because she was a bargirl even though she was obviously in need of medical treatment.

Long story short, the girl I met gave her enough money to go home to her parents in Issan. No medical treatment, no police investigation whatsoever. Just a painful bus ride home with a shattered back.

I assume this is because they don't want any negative publicity about some farang tourist on holiday assaulting some poor Issan girl. I knew there was a lot of corruption with thai police, but nothing like this. How can someone "turn a blind eye" to an innocent girl (of the same nationality) being whipped by a drunken foreigner. At least get the guy to pay for her medical treatment at the absolute bear minimum!

As someone who is hoping to move to Samui in the next year, this really upset me. I'm from the States so this type of police inaction is just appalling. Is this an isolated incident or will the local authorities do anything to keep "bad news" out of the papers and media??

Joeyb you obviously felt upset enough to write this post.

It is really a pity that main responses you get are along the lines of "if you don't like this behaviour go away" " Or she was only a bar-girl and certainly on the take" or "This is Samui

and to be expected"

I hope that you don't get the impression that the total lack of compassion from the reply posts so far reflects a majority

view.

[EllaPhangania]

thanks Gatorade, I fully agree. Seems the longtime expats are a bit bitter

[cali4995]

I'd have to agree with taxexile. I've seen Thai men hit girls with a closed fist and nobody

did a double-take but if a farang so much as backhands a bad-mouthing bargirl it will end

up at the police station with payments to be made. So many of these girls go to the tourist

areas to make money for the family or children (in part because the father of their children

has run off) only to end up with another Thai man who appropriates the lion's share of their

earnings. Even though these guys send the girls off to work there are always jealousy,

drinking, drug problems and of course the girl gets the worst of the abuse. Once they've been

ridden into the ground the Thai man just finds another new mule to do the work. It is sad.

I'm not saying they're aren't some bad foreigners out there but the police know what is going

on, if her story had any credibility on it they would have acted swiftly. I've seen too many of

these girls walking around with a black eye or large plaster on part of their face because the

Thai boyfried was displeased with their earnings. It's just a bad cycle of abuse.

Edited April 11, 2008 by cali4995

[joeyb]

Just to dispel some misconceptions:

1. The "girl" was not my gf or a farang. She was also a thai bargirl working in Lamai.

2. She wasn't "scammed". She gave the girl (who she had never met before) 1200-1500 baht. Unless the beaten girl is a Hollywood special effects expert she was whipped repeatedly by the man's belt (I saw the picture myself).

3. I didn't give any money to anyone.

4. The Italian guy (age 19-23) was not her bf. The assaulted girl pointed the man out and the other girls threw rocks at him whenever he tried to enter that big cluster of bars in the center of town. As I understand it, the last time he tried he was hit several times and never returned.

5. "far too sensitive a soul to move to Thailand". No, I just tend to show compassion for my fellow human beings. NOBODY deserves to be whipped repeatedly with a belt and those who do these kind of things should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

6. Rodney King was high as a kite on PCP and probably didn't feel a thing anything anyway.

[cali4995]

Whenever I've seen a foreigner drunk and acting stupid, like striking a bargirl,

everyone on the soi descends to beat the cr_p out of him. Sticks, stones,

bottles, anything goes. That's admirable you have compassion but there are

I think possibly some missing details to this story. After the offending farang

was beaten into a bloody pulp he would then be taken to the police station for

booking. Rest assured, this is what happens 99% of the time. We're dealing with

2nd or 3rd hand information from bargirls so please forgive if I'm slightly skeptical.

[Prakanong]

Whenever I've seen a foreigner drunk and acting stupid, like striking a bargirl,

everyone on the soi descends to beat the cr_p out of him. Sticks, stones,

bottles, anything goes. That's admirable you have compassion but there are

I think possibly some missing details to this story. After the offending farang

was beaten into a bloody pulp he would then be taken to the police station for

booking. Rest assured, this is what happens 99% of the time. We're dealing with

2nd or 3rd hand information from bargirls so please forgive if I'm slightly skeptical.

Errm maybe it happened in private ie his room?

[cali4995]

It was stated the foreign guy was not the bf of the girl, there's just so many holes in

this it's hard to make sense of it. Even if the guy was a one-off client, if he had done

something sadistic like this, the Thais would have set it right. Either a gang of males

would have jumped him and given him the beating of his life or the police most

definitely would have gotten involved. As the other posters mentioned, it's one thing

for Thais to do this to each other but a farang? Very,very unlikely without retribution.

[Prakanong]

It was stated the foreign guy was not the bf of the girl, there's just so many holes in

this it's hard to make sense of it. Even if the guy was a one-off client, if he had done

something sadistic like this, the Thais would have set it right. Either a gang of males

would have jumped him and given him the beating of his life or the police most

definitely would have gotten involved. As the other posters mentioned, it's one thing

for Thais to do this to each other but a farang? Very,very unlikely without retribution.

I do agree with you it is unusual circumstances but it does happen a girl gets hurt and nothing happens to the guy.

Some are afraid to go to the police and this girl seemed to only go when the other girl took her - is the other girl lying too about the police doing nothing?

[sibeymai]

How is it possible to whip someone hard enough to inflict what were apparently significant wounds requiring medical treatment without anyone hearing anything ? Didn't the girl scream ?

Of course, maybe she couldn't...which would leave one to believe she was playing along with the guy's game. Maybe the game just went too far for her.

[lazeeboy]

Welcome too the real life joeyb. Having lived in the LOS for over 10 years,I have seen many things,covered up,or turned a blind eye too.In the western world it would not happen.

Have you ever thought this ''''Italian man'''' that beat her,could have been her Thai Boyfriend???, Why??,because she did not get enough money that day for his drink and drug habit.

Read between the lines.

i agree with you ,so many scams and storys ,what to believe ,most of the time nothing

[Boo]

wow there has been some real leaps of the mind which have morphed from the actual info in the ops post to now being the work of her thai bf (even though none was mentioned in the op) and to her being caught up in some kinky sex game that she should expect as she is getting paid. Pretty shameful all in all & people wonder why these posts dont' get left open long.!!!!

OP, sadly this is a fact of life for some working girls. They are far too vunerable & sadly there are some real <deleted> who think the few hundred baht they pay the girl allows them to do what ever they want. I have seen a farang hit a bg in samui, he wasn't attacked or pounced on, the girl was just dragged away by the other girls & the guy was free to leave so it can & does happen, sorry to break some of the delusions we have seen here but it's not only some thai men that treat thai women like shit

It was very good of your freind to help this girl out

[joeyb]

It is true that the victim was too scared and did not want to go to the police. The other girl took her there in an attempt to get the farang to pay her medical bills. 90% of the story and her reason for telling me in the first place, was the argument she had with the Lamai police chief. His entire reasoning not to act was because "what you want me do, she lady bar". She told me that she bluffed and said she knew the Chaweng chief and would get him involved if the Lamai police wouldn't help her. It didn't work apparently as he didn't do anything.

She said the beaten girl was really scared during the arguing and kept wanting to leave thinking they would get into trouble themselves if she pressed the issue.

And yes, obviously this all happened in the farangs hotel room and not out in public.

This girl had only been in Samui a week or two and didn't have anyone to turn to for help.

My only reason for bringing this story to the forum is that I know how the Thai authorities don't like ANY negative publicity that could jeoprodize the local tourist industry. I guess things are different when you read about them in the papers as opposed to seeing it up close. Plus a poor bargirl getting smacked around, while still tragic, is hardly news. It was the callousness of the way she was beaten that got my attention. And yes, I'm sure it did all start in the bedroom and then got out of control. But, I highly doubt she agreed to be whipped into needing medical treatment for and extra 500 baht.

[SamuiJens]

It is true that the victim was too scared and did not want to go to the police. The other girl took her there in an attempt to get the farang to pay her medical bills. 90% of the story and her reason for telling me in the first place, was the argument she had with the Lamai police chief. His entire reasoning not to act was because "what you want me do, she lady bar". She told me that she bluffed and said she knew the Chaweng chief and would get him involved if the Lamai police wouldn't help her. It didn't work apparently as he didn't do anything.

She said the beaten girl was really scared during the arguing and kept wanting to leave thinking they would get into trouble themselves if she pressed the issue.

And yes, obviously this all happened in the farangs hotel room and not out in public.

This girl had only been in Samui a week or two and didn't have anyone to turn to for help.

My only reason for bringing this story to the forum is that I know how the Thai authorities don't like ANY negative publicity that could jeoprodize the local tourist industry. I guess things are different when you read about them in the papers as opposed to seeing it up close. Plus a poor bargirl getting smacked around, while still tragic, is hardly news. It was the callousness of the way she was beaten that got my attention. And yes, I'm sure it did all start in the bedroom and then got out of control. But, I highly doubt she agreed to be whipped into needing medical treatment for and extra 500 baht.

Joeyb, yeah, it's hard for those without funds and real friends here. I just would like to ask, you say the officer said "What you want me do, she Lady bar", are you sure he didn't say Ladyboy? Since this "could have screwed with the Italian Stalion's mind (that he had gotten duped by a ladyboy?) Just wondering since I've heard of this from guys that picked the wrong "girl".

[joeyb]

SJ, no it's just how bargirls talk. I could give countless examples, ie "my sister me", when referring to anyone from cousin, aunt, to a girl from the same village/area of Issan. Trust me, I know the differnce between a Thai girl saying "ladyboy" and "lady bar". Bar girls never say bar girl, they always say lady bar. Don't ask me how I know that

[Prakanong]

It is true that the victim was too scared and did not want to go to the police. The other girl took her there in an attempt to get the farang to pay her medical bills. 90% of the story and her reason for telling me in the first place, was the argument she had with the Lamai police chief. His entire reasoning not to act was because "what you want me do, she lady bar". She told me that she bluffed and said she knew the Chaweng chief and would get him involved if the Lamai police wouldn't help her. It didn't work apparently as he didn't do anything.

She said the beaten girl was really scared during the arguing and kept wanting to leave thinking they would get into trouble themselves if she pressed the issue.

And yes, obviously this all happened in the farangs hotel room and not out in public.

This girl had only been in Samui a week or two and didn't have anyone to turn to for help.

My only reason for bringing this story to the forum is that I know how the Thai authorities don't like ANY negative publicity that could jeoprodize the local tourist industry. I guess things are different when you read about them in the papers as opposed to seeing it up close. Plus a poor bargirl getting smacked around, while still tragic, is hardly news. It was the callousness of the way she was beaten that got my attention. And yes, I'm sure it did all start in the bedroom and then got out of control. But, I highly doubt she agreed to be whipped into needing medical treatment for and extra 500 baht.

As I said some girls are shit scared of the police - it instilled into many of them upcountry that getting the police involved only brings more trouble.,

I know one girl (not upcountry) whose dad was pretty senior with Kasikorn Bank who trusted them not a jot.

My own ex was grabbed by a guy by the tit and neck when I was in the toilet one time. The guy did get arrested and we headed off to Lumpini with us in the front ot the pickup and him chained in the back. She was shitting herself, shaking and scared her family would find out even though she did absolutely nothing. The young policeman with perfect English who had his para wings and told me he had jumped with the British para's and the US airborne could not have been nicer to her - he explained that it was not her fault and that men could not do that - that she could have been his sister, wife or mother.

I guess we were very lucky although it did mean I missed a flight to Europe (no big hardship) and it would have cost the guy a pretty penny - the ex did not want a penny but she had to sugeest an amount of compensation (wonder who got that)

He also offered to let us see him in the cells but she just said she had read stories and hoped he was in with Nigerians ;-)

[chinkles]

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[cali4995]

The "actual account" here is not a news story. It is a rumor one friend relayed to another

concerning a 3rd party. If the woman in question had been sadistically beaten by some farang

at the hotel, why would she not refer this to hotel reception? Management? I'm sorry but much

of this rings as simply untrue. If her story was factual the police would have assisted her. What

about the owner of the bar? He/She was completely disinterested in seeking justice for the girl?

The police with their broad powers are forced to be keen judges of character. Many bargirls do

file false reports claiming assault. You really need more proof, evidence or corroborating facts

and it appears that certainly would have been the case had this been a genuine incident. Sorry.

[Eric1949]

The "actual account" here is not a news story. It is a rumor one friend relayed to another

concerning a 3rd party. If the woman in question had been sadistically beaten by some farang

at the hotel, why would she not refer this to hotel reception? Management? I'm sorry but much

of this rings as simply untrue. If her story was factual the police would have assisted her. What

about the owner of the bar? He/She was completely disinterested in seeking justice for the girl?

The police with their broad powers are forced to be keen judges of character. Many bargirls do

file false reports claiming assault. You really need more proof, evidence or corroborating facts

and it appears that certainly would have been the case had this been a genuine incident. Sorry.

I can only speak from experience re police involvement.

My ex Thai g/f, called the police out to our house in November '06 saying that I had hit her, this was at about 3 am. They came, she had no marks (obviously as I hadn't). They made a report and asked me if it was true, I said 'if you believe her then take me to the police station' they didn't. She now uses this report in our court case. Mine of course is a 'Private Dancer' senario.

In cases such as mine, it's a well rehearsed scam, lasting many years, so long term 'benefits' are a possilble.

Sorry for this girl, if it was true.

[BigC]

I just returned from an otherwise wonderful vacation in Lamai. On one of the last days i met a girl who told me an unbelievably sad story.

She saw a girl hunched over crying and holding her back. This girl apparently was a bargirl at one of the bars in the center of Lamai. She didn't know this girl, but had to try and help her. The girl was whipped with a belt and assaulted by a young Italian tourist. She had mutilpe wounds and lacerations all across her back (I've seen a pic from her phone cam). She took the girl to the Lamai police station to try and get the Italian guy to pay for the medical treatment. The Lamai chief told her "what can I do she lady bar". After much arguing the Lamai chief refused to do anything because she was a bargirl even though she was obviously in need of medical treatment.

Long story short, the girl I met gave her enough money to go home to her parents in Issan. No medical treatment, no police investigation whatsoever. Just a painful bus ride home with a shattered back.

I assume this is because they don't want any negative publicity about some farang tourist on holiday assaulting some poor Issan girl. I knew there was a lot of corruption with thai police, but nothing like this. How can someone "turn a blind eye" to an innocent girl (of the same nationality) being whipped by a drunken foreigner. At least get the guy to pay for her medical treatment at the absolute bear minimum!

As someone who is hoping to move to Samui in the next year, this really upset me. I'm from the States so this type of police inaction is just appalling. Is this an isolated incident or will the local authorities do anything to keep "bad news" out of the papers and media??

rule number 1. do not feel sorry for bar girls thier living is the bar and sob stories. sound like a good Italian Job if u ask me. maybe this forum should be closed as it might not be true ha ha

[cali4995]

I've also had a rather unpleasant experience trying to end a relationship with a TG after

I got a sneaking suspicion there was a Thai man lurking in the background squeezing her

for money. When the incessant demands for cash are not met, quickly it escalates into

stealing or something far worse. In my case I simply asked her to leave that it was over,

crying, screaming fits, swearing up and down to anyone who would listen that I was boxing

her, and of course in this instance, you are the bad farang until proven otherwise.

In the above "story" we are led to believe that this innocent issan girl (who of course had

only been working in the bar for one week) was viciously beaten by some farang AND THEN

every other Thai person on the island turned their back on her. I mean come on. At times

Thais can be cruel to each other but when a farang is involved it doesn't work this way. No

disrespect at all to Joeyb, but I think his Thai friend-girl may have slightly embellished her

story for sympathy or some other purpose. Sure, there are some bad farangs out there but

the last thing we need are more fictional accounts demonizing farangs unfairly. imho only.

Quite to the contrary of not wanting negative attention drawn to tourists, true incidents

such as this are usually splashed over all the local and national papers. If a young Thai girl

is assaulted by a gang of her peers it barely rates a couple of lines in the local tabloid if

that and is quickly forgotten. Perhaps the thread should be closed, it may be a wind-up.

Edited April 12, 2008 by cali4995

[BigC]

as far as the sad police story goes. she should call the who gives a monkeys number cause i don't. maybe ladies that work in bar should not play with matches or they might get burnt lol

[Gatorade]

as far as the sad police story goes. she should call the who gives a monkeys number cause i don't. maybe ladies that work in bar should not play with matches or they might get burnt lol

Your not a member of the Samaritans by any chance?