About 10,000 People Demonstrate In Front Of British Embassy

[Thai at Heart]

PAD was formed with a sole mission in mind - get rid of Thaksin. They never planned to compete with him in the elections - they argued he is unfit to run in the first place.

They demanded solution to Thaksin's lelad problems, ie accusations of corruption. These problems must be adressed in courts not in elections. Calls for PAD to form a party are totally misplaced.

Also, by asking PAD to sort it out via elections you exclude judicial branch and the rule of law altogether as irrelevant.

It is a mass which at the ballot box is outnumbered by the poor and disenfranchised.

So what? Being outnumbered doesn't make you wrong or illegitimate, and it certainly doesn't mean that you can't demand transparency and accountability from the government.

In fact it seems that outside of PAD no one really cares, or that anyone who cares, is aligned with PAD one way or another. There's no "third force", no alternative to PAD, it hasn't manifested itself in the past three years in any meaningful shape or form.

If you want to improve anything in this country, PAD is practically the only way.

The ten thousand may well be campaigning for transparency in government. Those pulling the strings appear to be campaigning for something completely different. If the reason for them doing what they are doing is to demand transparency, they had better plan to be sitting on the streets for the terms of the next few goverments also. They are not pro transparency, they are anti-Thaksin.

[fuzedcon]

PAD is a mass, middle class based movement, it's a lot bigger than Sondhi or whoever else might feel being passed at the cake party.

Absolutely right you are - 10 000 supposedly educated people (and a few soon to be retired high ranked generals in the background) who support progressive policies such as going to war against Cambodia over an old temple, the appointment of 70% of the parliament, and a staggering amount of loony conspiracy theories.

Thank god there are still a couple of million people who just want to get on with life, and couldn't give a <deleted>.

[Plutarch]

Overlooking the significance of Thaksin's 5 years as the leader of the first democratically elected government to remain in office for a full term is foolish indeed. Many, quite rightly, consider it as the waypoint to modernity and most yearn for a return to the stability it marked.

The PAD is nothing more than a coalescence of vested political interests frustrated at not getting their snouts in the trough and simply constitute a pressure group organised with the sole aim of thwarting Thaksin. That it attracts the intelligentsia and " middle class " of Bangkok may suggest a constituency of respectability underpinning a viable political force but that is in truth quite illusory as demonstrated by the PPP/TRT victory.

Once the deals have been cut, the PAD will evaporate and Thaksin will be back.

Some posters here seem to confuse analysis with wishful thinking.

[Thai at Heart]

Overlooking the significance of Thaksin's 5 years as the leader of the first democratically elected government to remain in office for a full term is foolish indeed. Many, quite rightly, consider it as the waypoint to modernity and most yearn for a return to the stability it marked.

The PAD is nothing more than a coalescence of vested political interests frustrated at not getting their snouts in the trough and simply constitute a pressure group organised with the sole aim of thwarting Thaksin. That it attracts the intelligentsia and " middle class " of Bangkok may suggest a constituency of respectability underpinning a viable political force but that is in truth quite illusory as demonstrated by the PPP/TRT victory.

Once the deals have been cut, the PAD will evaporate and Thaksin will be back.

Some posters here seem to confuse analysis with wishful thinking.

Attracting connected/old money doesn't mean intelligensia. That indeed would be wishful thinking.

[frodo]

Unfortunately, this current government continues to support convicted criminals, bail jumpers and their families. What a shame that so-called democracy is nothing but a sham here. A government that openly supports criminals.

On Thursday afternoon, People Power party MPs are scheduled to submit an official document to the British Embassy to Thailand, asking the British authority to grant asylum to Mr Thaksin because of the unjust laws introduced during the Council for National Security (CNS)’s period in office.

The only "unjust laws" were that Thaksin couldn't buy the judges and law breakers were finally held accountable for their corrupt deeds. Nothing wrong with that unless you're corrupt and continue to rob the Thai people of their money.

Source: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=129829

[Thai at Heart]

Unfortunately, this current government continues to support convicted criminals, bail jumpers and their families. What a shame that so-called democracy is nothing but a sham here. A government that openly supports criminals.

On Thursday afternoon, People Power party MPs are scheduled to submit an official document to the British Embassy to Thailand, asking the British authority to grant asylum to Mr Thaksin because of the unjust laws introduced during the Council for National Security (CNS)’s period in office.

The only "unjust laws" were that Thaksin couldn't buy the judges and law breakers were finally held accountable for their corrupt deeds. Nothing wrong with that unless you're corrupt and continue to rob the Thai people of their money.

Source: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=129829

Well we won't hold our breath until they pass a law that makes performing military coups illegal shall we. Oh I forgot, they granted themselves amnesty.

[marshbags]

Maybe the respective governments could do a swap? Thaksin for Garry Glitter?

Just a thought.................................

Nothing personal FF just my two penneth.

Glitter is an evil obnoxious B*S*A*D and no mistake.

Thaksin is an evil obnoxious B*S*A*D and no mistake.

The difference between the two is....................

Glitter faced the court and was found guilty and served out his jail time / sentence, ( this does not in no way let him off the hook )

Thaksin did a runner to escape facing the courts and the eventual outcome ( and according to overwhelming evidence ) will give him jail time / and he should be returned to do as Glitter has already done.

Thaksin is required by the law of his country to appear in court

The swap would obviously at this stage only be a detriment to Thaksin as Glitter is not facing other charges at this time ???????

Thaksin is classed as a criminal on the run, Glitter unfortunately is not.

Thaksin jumpted bail, is on the run from justice and should be extradited if and when it is requested.

Glitter isn,t and he cannot be extradited without justification so he,ll probably remain in transit here, there and everywhere until some country lacking in integrity allows him in to do repeat his evil or he expires.

Just another thought.

In it a B*S*A*D

Just yet another, why not put them in a locked holding room together, midway, and throw away the key, one problem solved

marshbags

Edited August 21, 2008 by marshbags

[frodo]

Unfortunately, this current government continues to support convicted criminals, bail jumpers and their families. What a shame that so-called democracy is nothing but a sham here. A government that openly supports criminals.

On Thursday afternoon, People Power party MPs are scheduled to submit an official document to the British Embassy to Thailand, asking the British authority to grant asylum to Mr Thaksin because of the unjust laws introduced during the Council for National Security (CNS)’s period in office.

The only "unjust laws" were that Thaksin couldn't buy the judges and law breakers were finally held accountable for their corrupt deeds. Nothing wrong with that unless you're corrupt and continue to rob the Thai people of their money.

Source: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=129829

Well we won't hold our breath until they pass a law that makes performing military coups illegal shall we. Oh I forgot, they granted themselves amnesty.

The judges on this case have nothing to do with the amnesty granted to the military. Thaksin allegedly broke the law and his wife was found guilty an is in fact a criminal, and both continue to defy the law. Lawbreakers and their continued supporters will continue to back Thaksin and use that same pathetic excuse. Thaksin may have been "democratically" but Thailand was certainly no democracy under his rule. Suffocating Muslims in the back of a truck, the slaughter of innocent people, including children, under the guise of a "Drug War", or having security guards, to name a few, attack and beat the elderly because they opposed his views is not a democracy. If the so-called "democratic" leaders can't follow the rules, it's not a democracy anymore. Democracy here, was never threatened at all...it never existed while TRT was in power.

[jumnien]

Unfortunately, this current government continues to support convicted criminals, bail jumpers and their families. What a shame that so-called democracy is nothing but a sham here. A government that openly supports criminals.

On Thursday afternoon, People Power party MPs are scheduled to submit an official document to the British Embassy to Thailand, asking the British authority to grant asylum to Mr Thaksin because of the unjust laws introduced during the Council for National Security (CNS)’s period in office.

The only "unjust laws" were that Thaksin couldn't buy the judges and law breakers were finally held accountable for their corrupt deeds. Nothing wrong with that unless you're corrupt and continue to rob the Thai people of their money.

Source: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=129829

Well we won't hold our breath until they pass a law that makes performing military coups illegal shall we. Oh I forgot, they granted themselves amnesty.

The judges on this case have nothing to do with the amnesty granted to the military. Thaksin allegedly broke the law and his wife was found guilty an is in fact a criminal, and both continue to defy the law. Lawbreakers and their continued supporters will continue to back Thaksin and use that same pathetic excuse. Thaksin may have been "democratically" but Thailand was certainly no democracy under his rule. Suffocating Muslims in the back of a truck, the slaughter of innocent people, including children, under the guise of a "Drug War", or having security guards, to name a few, attack and beat the elderly because they opposed his views is not a democracy. If the so-called "democratic" leaders can't follow the rules, it's not a democracy anymore. Democracy here, was never threatened at all...it never existed while TRT was in power.

Weren't the laws which Thaksin allegedly broke tried by a kangaroo court appointed by law-breakers themselves? A democratic society will fight the brutal domination of a military coup with long-lasting dignity!

[frodo]

Unfortunately, this current government continues to support convicted criminals, bail jumpers and their families. What a shame that so-called democracy is nothing but a sham here. A government that openly supports criminals.

On Thursday afternoon, People Power party MPs are scheduled to submit an official document to the British Embassy to Thailand, asking the British authority to grant asylum to Mr Thaksin because of the unjust laws introduced during the Council for National Security (CNS)’s period in office.

The only "unjust laws" were that Thaksin couldn't buy the judges and law breakers were finally held accountable for their corrupt deeds. Nothing wrong with that unless you're corrupt and continue to rob the Thai people of their money.

Source: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=129829

Well we won't hold our breath until they pass a law that makes performing military coups illegal shall we. Oh I forgot, they granted themselves amnesty.

The judges on this case have nothing to do with the amnesty granted to the military. Thaksin allegedly broke the law and his wife was found guilty an is in fact a criminal, and both continue to defy the law. Lawbreakers and their continued supporters will continue to back Thaksin and use that same pathetic excuse. Thaksin may have been "democratically" but Thailand was certainly no democracy under his rule. Suffocating Muslims in the back of a truck, the slaughter of innocent people, including children, under the guise of a "Drug War", or having security guards, to name a few, attack and beat the elderly because they opposed his views is not a democracy. If the so-called "democratic" leaders can't follow the rules, it's not a democracy anymore. Democracy here, was never threatened at all...it never existed while TRT was in power.

Weren't the laws which Thaksin allegedly broke tried by a kangaroo court appointed by law-breakers themselves? A democratic society will fight the brutal domination of a military coup with long-lasting dignity!

The brutality of military domination!

Thaksin and TRT/PPP really had such a sweet and peaceful democracy all in and around Thailand.

Edited August 21, 2008 by frodo

[jumnien]

I have to admit their propaganda photos due little to suggest their behavior in the 1992 and 1976 coups where they killed and maimed many. Your past actions can just as easily brutally dominate as present day actions. Their reputation is fierce amongst those who would have otherwise stood up for democracy. Yes, I too have a wonderful photograph of my newborn on a tank!

[sjaak327]

I have to admit their propaganda photos due little to suggest their behavior in the 1992 and 1976 coups where they killed and maimed many. Your past actions can just as easily brutally dominate as present day actions. Their reputation is fierce amongst those who would have otherwise stood up for democracy. Yes, I too have a wonderful photograph of my newborn on a tank!

Excactly. Frodo seems to be forgetting that past coups weren't bloodless.

No matter what, it's funny that the PAD is screaming justice, yet the people who commited more serious crimes then Thaksin and his wife have been charged with, are not even being charged, nor does someone screams bloody murder to get them tried. But in my book people who think they can make millions of Thai voters look insignificant and irrelevant, abolishing the constitution are much greater criminals.

But hey what do you expect from the PAD, they have only one agenda. And they of course have their thanks to pay to the coup criminals in the first place.

[frodo]

I have to admit their propaganda photos due little to suggest their behavior in the 1992 and 1976 coups where they killed and maimed many. Your past actions can just as easily brutally dominate as present day actions. Their reputation is fierce amongst those who would have otherwise stood up for democracy. Yes, I too have a wonderful photograph of my newborn on a tank!

The coup's of 72 and 96 had nothing to do with 06 coup. In the "Fake Democracy" which permeated Thailand under the Thaksin regime, a huge cancer had to be removed. It was done peacefully, and true to their words, power was given back. Compare the figures regarding brutality:

Coup of 2006: People Killed-0

Thaksin Regime:

Tak Bai Massacure People Slaughtered- >85

War on Drugs: People Slaughtered - >2,500 including innocent children

I won't begin to comment on how many went missing under Thaksin.

Brutality? Care to see the Tak Bai slaughter at the command of Thaksin?

[frodo]

I have to admit their propaganda photos due little to suggest their behavior in the 1992 and 1976 coups where they killed and maimed many. Your past actions can just as easily brutally dominate as present day actions. Their reputation is fierce amongst those who would have otherwise stood up for democracy. Yes, I too have a wonderful photograph of my newborn on a tank!

Excactly. Frodo seems to be forgetting that past coups weren't bloodless.

No matter what, it's funny that the PAD is screaming justice, yet the people who commited more serious crimes then Thaksin and his wife have been charged with, are not even being charged, nor does someone screams bloody murder to get them tried. But in my book people who think they can make millions of Thai voters look insignificant and irrelevant, abolishing the constitution are much greater criminals.

But hey what do you expect from the PAD, they have only one agenda. And they of course have their thanks to pay to the coup criminals in the first place.

Again, what do the coups of 72 and 96 have to do with this? Please enlighten me. Has PAD slaughtered innocent people? If so, links please, since their "crimes" are so horrific.. You may have forgotten, but the people...millions of them... did vote for the constitution, therefore, there was nothing to make them look insignificant or irrelevant as you claim.

[jumnien]

Well, lots of folks did vote for the military junta's constitution as they feared they would never go away without it as they would fear for their prosecution for the coup. And yes, as I've said before, the military clearly did kill Muslims before undertaking the coup!

[sjaak327]

Again, what do the coups of 72 and 96 have to do with this? Please enlighten me. Has PAD slaughtered innocent people? If so, links please, since their "crimes" are so horrific.. You may have forgotten, but the people...millions of them... did vote for the constitution, therefore, there was nothing to make them look insignificant or irrelevant as you claim.

You don't understand. The crimes that have been commited are the coup itself, wheter or not it was bloodless is besides the point. Constitutions are changed by the parlement usually with a certiain needed majority, not the militairy. Millions of voters (in fact the vast majority) have been made a fool of. They voted for Thaksin (three times in a row) and they are the only ones allowed to end his government, not the PAD or their militiary friends. That's why they were made irrelevant. It is very basic democracy.

The PAD is screaming bloody murder about Thaksin (for instance his little tax law chance, to dodge income tax), but people who abolish a constitution to make sure they cannot be prosecuted commit a much greater crime. And make a much greater mockery of the policitcal system then Thaksin ever did. Not to mention the message it gives to actually all Thai voters.

[Plus]

hey voted for Thaksin (three times in a row) and they are the only ones allowed to end his government...

Thaksin is not above the law, if he breaks it, he has to go regardless of how many votes he got.

[sjaak327]

^ Nowhere did I claim he was above the law.

Surely if a US president is found to be doing illlegal things, the congress and senate can start an inmpeachment process, not a militairy coup.

[jackspratt]

Again, what do the coups of 72 and 96 have to do with this? Please enlighten me. Has PAD slaughtered innocent people? If so, links please, since their "crimes" are so horrific.. You may have forgotten, but the people...millions of them... did vote for the constitution, therefore, there was nothing to make them look insignificant or irrelevant as you claim.

You don't understand. The crimes that have been commited are the coup itself, wheter or not it was bloodless is besides the point. Constitutions are changed by the parlement usually with a certiain needed majority, not the militairy. Millions of voters (in fact the vast majority) have been made a fool of. They voted for Thaksin (three times in a row) and they are the only ones allowed to end his government, not the PAD or their militiary friends. That's why they were made irrelevant. It is very basic democracy.

The PAD is screaming bloody murder about Thaksin (for instance his little tax law chance, to dodge income tax), but people who abolish a constitution to make sure they cannot be prosecuted commit a much greater crime. And make a much greater mockery of the policitcal system then Thaksin ever did. Not to mention the message it gives to actually all Thai voters.

So there were some bad buggers before Thaksin, and therefore he should be forgiven for all he (and his Mrs) has/have done.

Gimme a break

[Thai at Heart]

I have to admit their propaganda photos due little to suggest their behavior in the 1992 and 1976 coups where they killed and maimed many. Your past actions can just as easily brutally dominate as present day actions. Their reputation is fierce amongst those who would have otherwise stood up for democracy. Yes, I too have a wonderful photograph of my newborn on a tank!

The coup's of 72 and 96 had nothing to do with 06 coup. In the "Fake Democracy" which permeated Thailand under the Thaksin regime, a huge cancer had to be removed. It was done peacefully, and true to their words, power was given back. Compare the figures regarding brutality:

Coup of 2006: People Killed-0

Thaksin Regime:

Tak Bai Massacure People Slaughtered- >85

War on Drugs: People Slaughtered - >2,500 including innocent children

I won't begin to comment on how many went missing under Thaksin.

Brutality? Care to see the Tak Bai slaughter at the command of Thaksin?

It was no more fake democracy than any of the other governments that have sat in Thailand on the back of rampany vote buying. It was the fact that he managed to generate such popular support that scared the bejessus out of the people at the top. Instead of cobbled together coalitions, there was a party/man that people followed in their majority.

More fool the stupid idiots who didn't put a limit on the time frame for someone remaining prime minister in the 97 constitution.

[sjaak327]

So there were some bad buggers before Thaksin, and therefore he should be forgiven for all he (and his Mrs) has/have done.

Gimme a break

I never claimed such a thing either

I'm just saying that the PAD hasn't got my symphaty, and that I think they have next to zero credibility.

[fuzedcon]

Again, what do the coups of 72 and 96 have to do with this?

Nothing, i am afraid - there was no coup in '72 nor in '96.

[englishoak]

Any Idea if Thaksin is a Freemason?

[Tony Clifton]

Any Idea if Thaksin is a Freemason?

Mostly just a mason as he's not completely free.

[jumnien]

^ Nowhere did I claim he was above the law.

Surely if a US president is found to be doing illlegal things, the congress and senate can start an inmpeachment process, not a militairy coup.

Yes, that's quite true. But in the US, a faction of the military cannot over run the government, take over the government, appoint their own truth-seeking commissions and electoral commissions and rewrite the constitution to give themselves immunity from prosecution, etc.

[Plus]

^ Nowhere did I claim he was above the law.

Surely if a US president is found to be doing illlegal things, the congress and senate can start an inmpeachment process, not a militairy coup.

Surely no in matters of criminal/tax evasion offences. According to Thai law it's the area of NCCC and courts, not parlament and impeachements.

You could say AEC was set up by the junta - so what? It's just an investigative body, and its cases have been taken over by the regular NCCC, and they are argued in courts where AEC or OAG have the burden of proof.

[sriracha john]

Some posters here seem to confuse analysis with wishful thinking.

and some posters who joined yesterday can't seem to get their posts to remain on the forum... where did your other six posts go?

[lifeisrandom]

sondthi limthongkul really dated gong li?

or did he edit that wikipedia entry himself?

[Siripon]

It's wearing when foreigners say in USA/ England Congress/ Parliament would censure/ impeach etc, I think many don't realise the extent to which Thaksin had subjugated all the checks and balances set up by the 'green' constitution.

He is far more dangerous than the last coup leaders because he pretends to be a democrat.

And now he's going to sue the 5 PAD leaders for defamation by displaying his wanted poster. Is that wise since he's claimimg the justice system is biased?

I note one of the PPP MPs tried to backtrack by claiming Thaksin only meant to attack the AEC, not the courts; but as Plus says, it's the courts that decide on guilt, not the AEC, and in the Supreme court I believe all the judges were appointed during Thaksin's tenure.

[jumnien]

It's wearing when foreigners say in USA/ England Congress/ Parliament would censure/ impeach etc, I think many don't realise the extent to which Thaksin had subjugated all the checks and balances set up by the 'green' constitution.

He is far more dangerous than the last coup leaders because he pretends to be a democrat.

And now he's going to sue the 5 PAD leaders for defamation by displaying his wanted poster. Is that wise since he's claimimg the justice system is biased?

I note one of the PPP MPs tried to backtrack by claiming Thaksin only meant to attack the AEC, not the courts; but as Plus says, it's the courts that decide on guilt, not the AEC, and in the Supreme court I believe all the judges were appointed during Thaksin's tenure.

Free-speech activist, Supinya, has said that the military junta is far more dangerous than Thaksin ever was. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, and we to ours!