Air Force Chief Repeats Call For Govt To Dissolve House

[sabaijai]

Air Force chief repeats call for Govt to dissolve House

Published on November 30, 2008

Air Force Commander-in-Chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong Sunday repeated the military's call for Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat to dissolve the House.

He said the call was agreed upon during a meeting of the situation monitoring committee and agreed by heads of government agencies, academics and representatives of the private sector.

The Air Force chief said the government had nothing to fear because it could win the next election again.

The Nation

[monty]

Hope we won't get a reapeat from a few decades ago, when the different forces of the army started fighting each other

[Wolfie]

Well so far thats the Army and the Airforce calling for him to stand down... Just need the Navy and the Police to do the same

[IMA_FARANG]

Air Force chief repeats call for Govt to dissolve House

Published on November 30, 2008

Air Force Commander-in-Chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong Sunday repeated the military's call for Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat to dissolve the House.

He said the call was agreed upon during a meeting of the situation monitoring committee and agreed by heads of government agencies, academics and representatives of the private sector.

The Air Force chief said the government had nothing to fear because it could win the next election again.

The Nation

"Curioser and curioser," said Alice.

What's really interesting is that there IS a "situation monitoring committee".

I was in BKK during the coup (against Prem as thr then PM, I think). The Army was telling everyone they were in charge. As I recall that coup ended about 24 hours after three F-5s from the Thai Air Force at Don Muang flew over Bangkok at about 1000 feet level with a full bomb load. The next day, the coup came to an end.

[junkofdavid2]

Not commenting on whether PM Wongsawat is bad or good.

However, if he resigns now, this will set a VERY BAD PRECEDENT and anytime a group of protesters (however insignificant in numbers) is unhappy with a sitting administration... off to the airports they'll go and will paralyze the country over and over again!

[Meg_2003]

However, if he resigns now, this will set a VERY BAD PRECEDENT and anytime a group of protesters (however insignificant in numbers) is unhappy with a sitting administration... off to the airports they'll go and will paralyze the country over and over again!

Exactly what I was thinking..

[Samuian]

Not commenting on whether PM Wongsawat is bad or good.

However, if he resigns now, this will set a VERY BAD PRECEDENT and anytime a group of protesters (however insignificant in numbers) is unhappy with a sitting administration... off to the airports they'll go and will paralyze the country over and over again!

1st.) It looks as if your'e right there somewhere

BUT

2nd.) TiT - This is Thailand!

3rd.) if this isn't done now- when?

Would it really be better to give a General Amnesty to all and everyone in politics, bring Thaksin back, restore him as Prime Minister, say: "so sorry we've done all this to you"!, give him back the frozen assets, go home sit down and watch how he and his cronies gold plate their pockets?

I and as the looks of it, many, many people think the same way, even it might be "painful" and needs some sacrifices, it's last not least a step in the right direction!

Where are the posts where the people whinge on about the corruption, that nothing can be done, cops claim wrongdoings at will and the endless many other complaints abut this and that?

To change things one has to start some where!

[quiksilva]

Unfortunately the Government (I use that word loosely) have proven themselves to be completely inept at negotiations (which I thought politicians were supposed to have expertise in) and thoroughly incapable of wielding sufficient sway over their judicial and defense forces to swiftly resolve the situation through the usual channels of last resort.

A coup should not be the answer, the government should accept reality and step down from their leadership position. Not because of the protests, which I personally abhor, but because they have been proven that they are simply not capable of doing their job.

The sad truth is that they will never do so willingly, so what else can be done to break the deadlock?

Well the democrats can force a dissolution, but as usual they are too busy doing nothing. So what other options are there, save a coup or intervention from senior figures?

Edited December 1, 2008 by quiksilva

[Insight]

Unfortunately they have proven to be completely inept at negotiations (which I thought politicians were supposed to have expertise in) and thoroughly incapable of wielding sufficient sway over their judicial and defense forces to swiftly resolve the situation through the channels of last resort.

A coup is not the answer, they should accept reality and step down from their leadership position. Not because of the protests, which I personally abhor, but because they have been proven that they are simply not capable of governing the country.

The sad truth is that they will never do so willingly, so what else can be done to break the deadlock?

The democrats can force a dissolution, but as usual they are too busy doing nothing.

Exactly. IMHO the lack of effective opposition is one of the major reasons this country is in such a mess now - here is this reason being demonstrated again.

[geriatrickid]

And the winner of this year's convoluted logic medal is Air Force Commander-in-Chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong

The Air Force chief said the government had nothing to fear because it could win the next election again.

Thankfully, this man doesn't have much air capability in his air force or else he'd be dangerous.

Edited December 1, 2008 by geriatrickid

[Artisi]

Unfortunately the Government (I use that word loosely) have proven themselves to be completely inept at negotiations (which I thought politicians were supposed to have expertise in) and thoroughly incapable of wielding sufficient sway over their judicial and defense forces to swiftly resolve the situation through the usual channels of last resort.

A coup should not be the answer, the government should accept reality and step down from their leadership position. Not because of the protests, which I personally abhor, but because they have been proven that they are simply not capable of doing their job.

The sad truth is that they will never do so willingly, so what else can be done to break the deadlock?

Well the democrats can force a dissolution, but as usual they are too busy doing nothing. So what other options are there, save a coup or intervention from senior figures?

It is a fair bet that many PPP and associated @rse-lickers would be happy to call it a day - but Mr ex PM convicted crim Thaksin won't allow it as he is currently trying to enforce what he is now preaching on TV interviews - we must abide by the law - but this only applies to those who oppose me -- it doesn't apply to ME.

[khunjamespittman]

Unfortunately the Government (I use that word loosely) have proven themselves to be completely inept at negotiations (which I thought politicians were supposed to have expertise in) and thoroughly incapable of wielding sufficient sway over their judicial and defense forces to swiftly resolve the situation through the usual channels of last resort.

A coup should not be the answer, the government should accept reality and step down from their leadership position. Not because of the protests, which I personally abhor, but because they have been proven that they are simply not capable of doing their job.

The sad truth is that they will never do so willingly, so what else can be done to break the deadlock?

Well the democrats can force a dissolution, but as usual they are too busy doing nothing. So what other options are there, save a coup or intervention from senior figures?

You post points out your total lack of understanding of a Parlimentary government. A government is disolved and new re-elections held when the current government loses the confidence of the voters (this is when they no longer command a majority of voter support). Parlimentary governments are not usually disolved when a couple of crackpots have enough money to continually commit criminal acts and propagandize on their TV station. Otherwise governments would never last more than a few days.

How many elections do you propose before you accept the fact that a relatively small group of thugs are trying to hijack the country?

[neverdie]

.......a dangerous precedent may be set here for thailand.....and you can be assured that the airport will be hi-jacked again

[grandpops]

Unfortunately the Government (I use that word loosely) have proven themselves to be completely inept at negotiations (which I thought politicians were supposed to have expertise in) and thoroughly incapable of wielding sufficient sway over their judicial and defense forces to swiftly resolve the situation through the usual channels of last resort.

A coup should not be the answer, the government should accept reality and step down from their leadership position. Not because of the protests, which I personally abhor, but because they have been proven that they are simply not capable of doing their job.

The sad truth is that they will never do so willingly, so what else can be done to break the deadlock?

Well the democrats can force a dissolution, but as usual they are too busy doing nothing. So what other options are there, save a coup or intervention from senior figures?

You post points out your total lack of understanding of a Parlimentary government. A government is disolved and new re-elections held when the current government loses the confidence of the voters (this is when they no longer command a majority of voter support). Parlimentary governments are not usually disolved when a couple of crackpots have enough money to continually commit criminal acts and propagandize on their TV station. Otherwise governments would never last more than a few days.

How many elections do you propose before you accept the fact that a relatively small group of thugs are trying to hijack the country?

Only one more as the "educated" ones will only allow their people to stand.

Coup virtually in place already but Army even too spinless to act for their masters.

I think let the country go to the dogs is best as the rich are the ones to lose their lot. Imagine, I bet half these "educated" muppets at the airport still think they have thriving businesses to go back to when they leave. Ha bloody ha, most of them will be skint for xmas.

[CHARLES1949]

if the government gives in to the protesters, what will happen if the protesters do not like the next government...

the closing of the airport is not what the protesters should have done. it shows their disrepect for all farangs traveling to and from thailand...

i have several friends who do not know what to do about traveling now....

[myfriendyou]

He should stand down, and then a real election monitoring Committee should ensure that the next elections are not purchased as the last two were, this would ensure that no one has cause to protest that there is an unwanted government in place.

I know its not a likely that a fair election without bribes and payments will take place here, but its an ideal situation, maybe Thailand is just not ready for a real democracy yet, evolution is slow and cannot be rushed.

The last trouble and coup has a much less damaging effect on Thailand than this has had, the real effects of this and the bad exchange rates will be seen later as I cannot see people making advance bookings to come to TH.

Remember lots of people had booked before this and I doubt canceled and its still bad, imagine what it will be like when next years reservations don't materialize.

[frodo]

It's not only the Air Force and Army calling for a dissolution, even ex-TRT and current PPP members are asking that the government dissolve itself. Unfortunately, this government only listens to a wanted criminal. Notice nothing is said about saving the country or finding solutions to the problem, only a way to save their pathetic little asses.

Chaturon calls on PM to quit

By The Nation Mon, December 1, 2008 : Last updated 18:11 hours

Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat should step down so a new government can be formed before the People Power Party is disbanded, banned Thai Rak Thai Party executive Chaturon Chaisang advised Monday.

"Action should be taken before the party is dissolved so MPs have the chance to regroup and the country's administration is not disrupted," he said.

Chaturon said it was a foregone conclusion that the Constitution Court would disband the PPP, though repercussions from the dissolution of this party would be worse than what happened after Thai Rak Thai was disbanded.

He called upon pro-government crowds to cancel their plan to rally outside the High Court today, saying that the demonstration might backfire and pave the way for a coup. The case will be brought to an end today, and the pro-government group wanted to protest against any unfavourable verdict.

In addition, he said, the Constitution had several provisions that could be manipulated to the pave way for a dictatorship, adding that some of the government's opponents, particularly the People's Alliance of Democracy, wanted to do just that.

He went on to say that he was against the idea of forming a national unity government because it would infringe upon the principles of democracy, because installing a non-elected government was against the Constitution.

Chaturon advised Somchai and the coalition leaders to preempt the dissolution and have a new government in place before the party is dissolved, adding that several PPP MPs were receptive to this idea.

With regards to speculation that Privy Councillor Palakorn Suwannarat might be made the prime minister of a non-elected government, he said disagreed with any attempts to tamper with the electoral process.

Edited December 1, 2008 by frodo

[animatic]

Not commenting on whether PM Wongsawat is bad or good.

However, if he resigns now, this will set a VERY BAD PRECEDENT and anytime a group of protesters (however insignificant in numbers) is unhappy with a sitting administration... off to the airports they'll go and will paralyze the country over and over again!

Actually it seems more S.O.P. than some new precident...

dopesn't justify it to western eyes, but TIT.

[Ulysses G.]

Well so far thats the Army and the Airforce calling for him to stand down... Just need the Navy and the Police to do the same

They all support PAD.

[cmsally]

The OP article above should translate as :

Pleeeeeease resign/dissolve otherwise we will all lose our jobs and we are getting a very nervous.

Just in case you don't, our opinion is actually you might win again, so please remember us if you do, we always thought you were quite popular.

Translated from pressurised bureaucrat language into plain English.

[Gravelrash]

Well so far thats the Army and the Airforce calling for him to stand down... Just need the Navy and the Police to do the same

True, the credibility of that group of four demands immediate resignation.

[Gravelrash]

It's not only the Air Force and Army calling for a dissolution, even ex-TRT and current PPP members are asking that the government dissolve itself. Unfortunately, this government only listens to a wanted criminal. Notice nothing is said about saving the country or finding solutions to the problem, only a way to save their pathetic little asses.

Right..so this has nothing to do with PAD then?

Sort of like the victim of the school bully getting abused by others for not doing the right thing handing over the money.

[Ricardo]

.......a dangerous precedent may be set here for thailand.....and you can be assured that the airport will be hi-jacked again

The som-tam lady says she heard, the government have a clever & cunning solution to this threat, they plan shortly to move the airport to a new secret location !

[khunjamespittman]

He should stand down, and then a real election monitoring Committee should ensure that the next elections are not purchased as the last two were, this would ensure that no one has cause to protest that there is an unwanted government in place.

I know its not a likely that a fair election without bribes and payments will take place here, but its an ideal situation, maybe Thailand is just not ready for a real democracy yet, evolution is slow and cannot be rushed.

The last trouble and coup has a much less damaging effect on Thailand than this has had, the real effects of this and the bad exchange rates will be seen later as I cannot see people making advance bookings to come to TH.

Remember lots of people had booked before this and I doubt canceled and its still bad, imagine what it will be like when next years reservations don't materialize.

I have no doubt that it would be impossible to find a "monitoring committee" that would stisfy your requirements if the did not agree with your choice. You don't want democracy. You want to have it your way!

[Martin]

He is on pretty safe ground to say the supporters of the present government, howsoever they re-form, can win the next election.

Yesterday's calculation by an official that the tourist industry will shed 1 million jobs means that there will be a lot of voters well pissed-off with PAD. Some of them, and some of their family members, may have voted Democrat before but won't be inclined to do so next time.

Up here there is little support for the Democrat Party anyway, as the general feeling is, in the words of my wife, "We not take Chuan", but elsewhere the blame for job losses that will fall on PAD may well cost the Democrats seats that they would otherwise have won.

[Fore Man]

And the winner of this year's convoluted logic medal is Air Force Commander-in-Chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong

The Air Force chief said the government had nothing to fear because it could win the next election again.

Thankfully, this man doesn't have much air capability in his air force or else he'd be dangerous.

Actually, their F-16 squadrons are pretty potent--mostly intended for CAS operations (Close Air Support) against a ground-based enemy, these fighters can be used in an air superiority role if the RTAF wants to call somebody's bluff and raise the ante a tad. Or they could be sortied out in SEAD/DEAD missions (Supression of Enemy Air Defenses/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses). They can definitely do a lot of damage in repulsing an enemy attack or as a counterattack force to take out vital targets to end a hostile incursion.

In this Southeast Asian version of a Mexican Standoff we have now down at DM & Swampy, they would be of little use except to increase the fear and anxiety of the bad guys...a few low fly-bys would send a lot of these crybabies running home to their mamas and replacing soiled BVDs. Maybe a few loose rounds would find their way into parked FBG (F***ing Bad Guy) vehicles. If the merde really hit the venilateur, not many trucks, tuk tuks and cycles would be very useful after a motor park is strafed. If all this drama failed to work, perhaps the RTAF could simply bomb the daylights out of them with folded paper cranes...or better yet, 1 million liters of Red Dye No. 1

Oh man, why didn't I get reincarnated as a jet jockey!!

[dr_Pat_Pong]

And the winner of this year's convoluted logic medal is Air Force Commander-in-Chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong

The Air Force chief said the government had nothing to fear because it could win the next election again.

Thankfully, this man doesn't have much air capability in his air force or else he'd be dangerous.

Actually, their F-16 squadrons are pretty potent--mostly intended for CAS operations (Close Air Support) against a ground-based enemy, these fighters can be used in an air superiority role if the RTAF wants to call somebody's bluff and raise the ante a tad. Or they could be sortied out in SEAD/DEAD missions (Supression of Enemy Air Defenses/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses). They can definitely do a lot of damage in repulsing an enemy attack or as a counterattack force to take out vital targets to end a hostile incursion.

In this Southeast Asian version of a Mexican Standoff we have now down at DM & Swampy, they would be of little use except to increase the fear and anxiety of the bad guys...a few low fly-bys would send a lot of these crybabies running home to their mamas and replacing soiled BVDs. Maybe a few loose rounds would find their way into parked FBG (F***ing Bad Guy) vehicles. If the merde really hit the venilateur, not many trucks, tuk tuks and cycles would be very useful after a motor park is strafed. If all this drama failed to work, perhaps the RTAF could simply bomb the daylights out of them with folded paper cranes...or better yet, 1 million liters of Red Dye No. 1

Oh man, why didn't I get reincarnated as a jet jockey!!

[caf]

And the winner of this year's convoluted logic medal is Air Force Commander-in-Chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong

The Air Force chief said the government had nothing to fear because it could win the next election again.

Thankfully, this man doesn't have much air capability in his air force or else he'd be dangerous.

Actually, their F-16 squadrons are pretty potent--mostly intended for CAS operations (Close Air Support) against a ground-based enemy, these fighters can be used in an air superiority role if the RTAF wants to call somebody's bluff and raise the ante a tad. Or they could be sortied out in SEAD/DEAD missions (Supression of Enemy Air Defenses/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses). They can definitely do a lot of damage in repulsing an enemy attack or as a counterattack force to take out vital targets to end a hostile incursion.

In this Southeast Asian version of a Mexican Standoff we have now down at DM & Swampy, they would be of little use except to increase the fear and anxiety of the bad guys...a few low fly-bys would send a lot of these crybabies running home to their mamas and replacing soiled BVDs. Maybe a few loose rounds would find their way into parked FBG (F***ing Bad Guy) vehicles. If the merde really hit the venilateur, not many trucks, tuk tuks and cycles would be very useful after a motor park is strafed. If all this drama failed to work, perhaps the RTAF could simply bomb the daylights out of them with folded paper cranes...or better yet, 1 million liters of Red Dye No. 1

Oh man, why didn't I get reincarnated as a jet jockey!!

Is there some relevance in posting this today Root admin . I can't see it. What am i missing?

[Publicus]

Air Force chief repeats call for Govt to dissolve House

Published on November 30, 2008

Air Force Commander-in-Chief ACM Itthaporn Supawong Sunday repeated the military's call for Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat to dissolve the House.

He said the call was agreed upon during a meeting of the situation monitoring committee and agreed by heads of government agencies, academics and representatives of the private sector.

The Air Force chief said the government had nothing to fear because it could win the next election again.

The Nation

"Curioser and curioser," said Alice.

What's really interesting is that there IS a "situation monitoring committee".

I was in BKK during the coup (against Prem as thr then PM, I think). The Army was telling everyone they were in charge. As I recall that coup ended about 24 hours after three F-5s from the Thai Air Force at Don Muang flew over Bangkok at about 1000 feet level with a full bomb load. The next day, the coup came to an end.

You'd know then that's because Gen PM Prem had clout with the military, as Prem continues to have. In 1985 Gen Prem led a column of troops from Nakon Rachasima into coup occupied Bangkok to quell it and to make that a 24 hour coup too. Not a shot was fired in that counter coup either. It's still true that messing with Prem kills your military career.

A strong positive in the present circumstance is that Thaksin's political general cousin is no match for Gen Prem. Gen Prem is both a political and military general which accounts for his decades long dominance as a major factor in everything Thai.

Edited August 4, 2009 by Publicus

[hammered]

Is there some relevance in posting this today Root admin . I can't see it. What am i missing?

Some PTPers have been telling Thai media that a coup is imminent and Somkid will be made PM.

Edited to add; Not sure that is the reason but this little gem of politcking seems unreported so far on TV

Edited August 4, 2009 by hammered