Thaksin Supporters Plan Dec 28 Rally

[h90]

It could be also a killed PAD guard. Killed by government supporter. Actually PAD told that they don't know this guy. PAD found a few times undercover police and just kicked them out. One time they put them on the stage, but didn't harm them.

So every explanation sounds improbably.

So they stuck him in a cupboard. Make sense to you?

Now then, whatever happened to the cop who was run over a month earlier by the PAD pick up truck? Driver found? Charged? What? Oh look..we cannot (allegedly) view this anymore on pracha tai do com as that site has been blocked.

no that dead guy at the airport does not make sense to me. Every explanation what might happen does not make sense.

Do you mean that guy on October 7? ASTV showed it (maybe it is on the VCD). I can't recall the video but for me that looked like someone tries to escape that madness. It did not look like an attack, more like someone got total crazy after seeing all that blood.

Don't they have the number of the car? It shouldn't be too difficult to find that guy or?

[h90]

Do you know why the reds had to bomb PAD? Because no one did a shesh to bring them out from Government House and 2 airports in Bangkok. After these bombs and gun shots, PAD had to move out from Government House. Suvarnabhumi has isolated location, otherwise those rat heads couldn't have stayed there that long.

Koo, forgive me, but you actually seem to approve of the red shirts bombing PAD ? Surely you can't really want Thais to be killing one another ? And was it ever proven, that the red-shirts were behind bombings or grenade-attacks, or shootings ?

If nobody did anything about the PAD, please feel free to blame former-PM Somchai, or Thaksin for putting him into power when he wasn't up to the job, or simply didn't care about anything except changing the constitution to white-wash Thaksin & TRT, or getting his brother-in-law's money back for him !

Khun Thaksin is still a lot cleaner than Democrat Party who allowed Somkiat and Kasit to block airports stopping 350,000 tourists from going home. Khun Thaksin had money, made more money and protects his hard earned money. Do you support those who only know how to destroy the whole Thailand's tourism and export business because they couldn't win elections?

They are free to protest but blocking Government House and airports is just so wrong.

When did Kasit block the airport? He isn't a PAD leader, you noticed that.

Thaksin killed 3000 people in his war against drugs, I don't need such clean people. To get murder out of the government is worth that inconvenice.

[Koo82]

When did Kasit block the airport? He isn't a PAD leader, you noticed that.

"Mr Kasit told an audience of astonished diplomats and foreign journalists on Friday that the protests were "a lot of fun"."The food was excellent, the music was excellent," he explained."

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Foreign-Mini...Cl-t230632.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...n-minister.html

[henryalleman]

I'm no Thaksin fan and certainly not a Red shirt fan. I support the new PM and his government. But its the democratic right of the Red shirts to demonstrate. I only hope they do it peacefully and with the same restrain like the PAD.

And we will see how many bombs are thrown in their midst, so we can see who are the real democrats.

[aromsia]

I'm no Thaksin fan and certainly not a Red shirt fan. I support the new PM and his government. But its the democratic right of the Red shirts to demonstrate. I only hope they do it peacefully and with the same restrain like the PAD.

And we will see how many bombs are thrown in their midst, so we can see who are the real democrats.

You know, as well as I do, that if the Thai majority who have democracy stolen from them tried to copy the actions of the elitist PAD by occupying the parliament or government house that they face the very real danger of being squashed like bugs. Then ask yourself, who are the real democrats? It is crystal clear to everyone in the world now (and the whole world has watched in sadness and amazement) that the wealthy Thai establsihment backed by compliant elements within the military, courts and corrupt bureaucracy, has gang raped democracy and left her at the side of the road for dead. They even laughed while they did it.

The pro-democracy supporters who are brave enough to venture onto the streets now are true patriots standing up for democracy. It takes a truly brave person to do that. If not many show up you can't really blame them. Of course the pro-Democrat and pro-PAD media will claim this means Thais are accepting that it's time to bury the hatchet. The reality of course will be that people are just plain scared. It's one thing for the bully to swagger down the street when he's got big brother behind him..but it's quite another thing when you've only got right on your side and you know the guys with the guns don't care that you're right and they're wrong.

Good luck to them. I agree with you - I hope it remains peaceful - but I have my doubts.

Edited December 24, 2008 by aromsia

[wayfarer108]

Khun Thaksin is still a lot cleaner than Democrat Party who allowed Somkiat and Kasit to block airports stopping 350,000 tourists from going home.

How exactly did the Democrats 'allow' this?

And how does seizing the airport come close to Thaksin's ordering of extrajudicial executions, increasing curtailment of the press, shoving farmers into debt and creating the largest number and proportion of non-performing consumer loans in Thai history since before the 97 crash while evading taxes for himself and his family?

The Demos aren't the Pad.

Edited December 24, 2008 by wayfarer108

[Plus]

Thai majority who have democracy stolen from them

Majority of them have no idea what democracy is. They want Thaksin to come back, that's as democratic as they get.

To prove otherwise they have to abandon Thaksin and expell people like Kwanchai from thier ranks, then can start talking about democracy. Until then it's just an excuse, and it has always been an excuse.

When Thaksin was in power he openly displayed his disdain for democracy and said that farmers don't need it.

[animatic]

So much disinformation, so little time.

So much disrespect, so little nam jai...

[Ricardo]

Do you know why the reds had to bomb PAD? Because no one did a shesh to bring them out from Government House and 2 airports in Bangkok. After these bombs and gun shots, PAD had to move out from Government House. Suvarnabhumi has isolated location, otherwise those rat heads couldn't have stayed there that long.

Koo, forgive me, but you actually seem to approve of the red shirts bombing PAD ? Surely you can't really want Thais to be killing one another ? And was it ever proven, that the red-shirts were behind bombings or grenade-attacks, or shootings ?

If nobody did anything about the PAD, please feel free to blame former-PM Somchai, or Thaksin for putting him into power when he wasn't up to the job, or simply didn't care about anything except changing the constitution to white-wash Thaksin & TRT, or getting his brother-in-law's money back for him !

Khun Thaksin is still a lot cleaner than Democrat Party who allowed Somkiat and Kasit to block airports stopping 350,000 tourists from going home. Khun Thaksin had money, made more money and protects his hard earned money. Do you support those who only know how to destroy the whole Thailand's tourism and export business because they couldn't win elections?

They are free to protest but blocking Government House and airports is just so wrong.

I notice that you still do not condemn whoever bombed or shot at their fellow Thais.

The Democrats were not in power, when the airport fiasco kicked-off, blame Thasin's ineffectual brother-in-law who was PM at the time, and the Thaksin-nominee government, for their last-gasp attempt to undemocratically white-wash your hero and his corrupt former-party.

Thaksin made money from his government contracts, then quadrupled it while in power & changing laws to suit his own business-interests, and finally this 'hero of the people' refused to share any of the ill-gotten gains with the country by paying a bit of tax. Such a hero & defender of democracy !

If Somchai was sure, as you seem to be, that he would have won an election or increased the number of PPP-MPs, why didn't he call that election when he had the chance, in the closing days of his government ?

The damage to tourim & exporters of both manufactured & agricultural goods, due to the Strong-Baht policy of the BoT under the previous government, has IMO caused much more harm than a 1-week airport closure, which I agree was bad.

[Koo82]

Ricardo,

I guess the reds bombed and shot the PAD in some cases including the big night when they killed some and hurt about 50. So PAD announced to move their butts out from Government House in early Dec.

What could Khun Somchai do when the Army Chief Anupong did not want to bring PAD out?

I don't like Khun Somchai for he is too soft, but why did he have to call for a new election when he did nothing wrong? So why doesn't Abhisit call for a new election? When Khun Somchai was PM, Abhisit always suggested a new election and the close of the House.

Tax paying? When buying and selling in stock market, we don't pay tax, do we? It's the law.

[sriracha john]

And lets not forget about the PAD guard found dead at the airport. Seems he was killed by his own. Seems this bunch didn't like people attempting to leave their ranks.

Has he ever been positively identified? The last I read, there was still speculation as to whether he was an undercover policeman.

Oh sorry, me again. Does the red highlight of your post make his murder any better? An undercover police officer is murdered? Does that make it better for you pal? I'm so sorry to question your post - since I must be so unworthy. I mean - you know - you are so clearly Pee and I must be so clearly Nong with my fewer post..given I haven't spent my many years here posting day and night on a Visa website

No, it just indicates that you're trolling again. I made no judgment on whether one murder was "any better"... simply pointing out that he's unidentified. Nothing more.

[permanent_disorder]

They accused police of unfair treatment for failing to get tough with the yellow-shirts, referring to followers of the anti-Thaksin People's Alliance for Democracy.

Presumably he missed the events of October 6th, then ?

Good luck to the red-shirts, for a peaceful demonstration to exercise their right, to disagree. Hope none of them bring their bags of sh*t or breeze-blocks with them.

And if they have evidence of wrong-doing by any of the new Cabinet, perhaps they should publicise it, as the PAD used to in their early days. That would be a useful service to the country.

Perhaps Khun Thaksin might send a recorded-message, to broadcast to the meeting, urging reconciliation & respect for the law, then again perhaps he's not that big a hypocrite.

A red shirt is arrested for throwing rocks, and yet not one PAD member is languishing in jail for their endless list of crimes. I note that the red leader has also been convicted, what corrupt officials from other parties have been?

As long as the police and judiciary show such blatant favoritism, there is no rule of law. And regardless of your political bent, this is a good thing how?

PAD attacked who? When?

H90, just a reminder. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/bangkok-...vals/4088437818

You are long enough on the forum to know what happened there. The red shirts attacked the PAD, but instead elderly women they took the truck with the guards by mistake.

The PAD overreacted, but they got attacked and defended themself. They didn't drive the truck somewhere to attack the red shirts. The red shirts attacked them.

claiming that PAD attacked there is a plain lie.

that is just another lie you post here every day. and it doesn't become a truth if you repeat your lies again and again.

[permanent_disorder]

Do you know why the reds had to bomb PAD? Because no one did a shesh to bring them out from Government House and 2 airports in Bangkok. After these bombs and gun shots, PAD had to move out from Government House. Suvarnabhumi has isolated location, otherwise those rat heads couldn't have stayed there that long.

Koo, forgive me, but you actually seem to approve of the red shirts bombing PAD ? Surely you can't really want Thais to be killing one another ? And was it ever proven, that the red-shirts were behind bombings or grenade-attacks, or shootings ?

If nobody did anything about the PAD, please feel free to blame former-PM Somchai, or Thaksin for putting him into power when he wasn't up to the job, or simply didn't care about anything except changing the constitution to white-wash Thaksin & TRT, or getting his brother-in-law's money back for him !

Khun Thaksin is still a lot cleaner than Democrat Party who allowed Somkiat and Kasit to block airports stopping 350,000 tourists from going home. Khun Thaksin had money, made more money and protects his hard earned money. Do you support those who only know how to destroy the whole Thailand's tourism and export business because they couldn't win elections?

They are free to protest but blocking Government House and airports is just so wrong.

When did Kasit block the airport? He isn't a PAD leader, you noticed that.

Thaksin killed 3000 people in his war against drugs, I don't need such clean people. To get murder out of the government is worth that inconvenice.

read a birthday speech of 2002 and a brithday speech of 2003. check what your beloved hero funsucker chamlong had said 2003 and who supported the war in drug.

[NanLaew]

A well known DJ in Khon Kaen received a phone call from Thaksin last week where he stressed that Sam, the wimpy ex- soap opera star standing for Peua Thai must win the governor's position in Bangkok.

According to the DJ, Kwanchai, the thuggish community radio host in Udon, received 3 million baht for red shirt activities; whilst the Truth Today leaders received 5 million baht each.

This rallying is sure worth it financially, no wonder the boys want to keep going.

Fancy that!

I guess from now on I will have to pay real close attention to what Terry Wogan is blethering about in order to get a better handle on the machinations of the Conservative opposition in the UK.

[Koo82]

UDD starts massing near parliament

Published: 28/12/2008 at 10:39 AM

United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) red-clad demonstrators on Sunday morning started to gather in front of the parliament, in an attempt to prevent the coalition government led by the Democrat party to delivery its policy statement on Monday.

Amplifiers and protesting stages were set up at the opposite side of the parliament. However, traffic conditions around the area were normal and no roads were blocked.

Policemen in plain clothes from the Metropolitan Police Bureau were monitoring the UDD demonstration. About 50 security officers were maintaining order at the parliament.

One of the UDD core members from Chiang Mai province, Mrs Kanyapak Maneejak, said about 600 protesters from the North already arrived in front of the parliament and they will continue protesting to pressure the government to step aside or dissolve the parliament.

She said the protest will not resort to violence or create any obstruction.

Meanwhile, 400 UDD protesters from Udon Thani and Nong Bua Lamphu province arrived at the site, and more of them are expected to gather later during the day.

Deputy Interior Minister Bunjong Wongtrairat said the number of anti-government protesters could exceed 10,000 on Monday, but after assessing the situation with provincial governors nationwide, it would not escalate to violence as the confrontation on October 7, which left more than 400 injured.

Mr Bunjong, referring to official reports, said the demonstrators did not carry weapons into Bangkok.

The deputy interior minister said he did not order provincial governors to stop protesters from gathering in the capital, as people have the right to express their political views and their movements are considered normal in the democratic regime.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/13...near-parliament

[Koo82]

The UDD is meeting at Sanam Luang now. They gathered since 3pm.

[Insight]

"The UN is not my father"

[permanent_disorder]

Operating to save Thai democracy

By The Nation Published on December 28, 2008

Put on a red shirt and join a political rally, and chances are you'll be accused of taking a bribe.

Are you on the payroll of Thaksin Shinawatra, or have you ever accepted any money from him? "No, none," was the simple reply of Dr Weng Tojirakarn, 57, a former leader of the pro-Thaksin Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship (DAAD). "I am no lackey of Thaksin," he told The Nation, "but I stood with the red shirts [DAAD] to oppose the junta-sponsored charter [in 2007]. Followers of Thaksin were against the [2006] coup and have been fighting for a democratic system with the King as constitutional head. I have no problem with that. We must look at how the DAAD evolves."

Weng, a physician who specialised in family medicine, is quick to point out that he heavily criticised Thaksin in public prior to his break with the anti-Thaksin group that eventually morphed into the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD). Thaksin's avoidance of tax on the sales of Shin Corp shares in early 2006 "wasn't civil", he said, even if the law didn't require the then PM (now a convicted fugitive) to pay. He broke with people like PAD co-leader Maj-General Chamlong Srimuang, with whom he joined hands in the fight against the military crackdown in May 1992, and the rest of the yellow-shirt camp, for reasons of principle, he said.

The final straw came after the proto-PAD called for a royally appointed prime minister and PAD co-leader Sondhi Limthongkul chose a night in February to call for military intervention. "I declared [that I had left the group], and the newspapers reported it ... If friends behave like neo-Nazis, are selfish or corrupt, then I have to sever that friendship. Weng was the first person to lodge a terrorism charge against the PAD after the group occupied two Bangkok airports for a week, threatening to bring the economy to its knees.

"I think they are," he said, when questioned on whether PAD members warranted the label "terrorists".

This uncompromising trait was evident from the earliest days of Weng's career as a political activist. At the time of the October 14, 1973 student uprising he was in his fifth year at Rama Hospital medical school and secretary-general of the Medical Students Centre of Thailand. His decision to allow pro-democracy groups to use the medical school as their ad-hoc office was crucial to their campaign against the military.

A son of poor Chinese migrants, Weng was bright enough to be accepted at the famous Triam-udom preparatory school. He counted himself a disciple of the late monk and scholar Buddhadasa Bhikku, whose writings were an early influence and led him to devote much of his time to the fight for democracy and against poverty. "I started with the question 'What are we born to do?' To rid ourselves of our selfishness is the answer." Political turmoil after the October 6, 1976 massacre pushed Weng into the jungle, where he joined the medical unit of the Communist Party of Thailand, operating on his wounded comrades. Six years on, the battle lost, he returned to his native city, Bangkok.

He remained politically active and in 1992 teamed up with Chamlong and like-minded individuals such as Dr San Hattirat (one of his former medical lecturers) to form the Confederation for Democracy, which helped oust General Suchinda Kraprayoon as prime minister after the "Black May" uprising. "I didn't think it was right for Thailand to revert to a military state. We were halfway to democracy."

Weng was deeply disappointed by what he saw as the soft and silent military intervention that contributed to the setting up of the Abhisit Vejjajiva government earlier this month.

"I think the 19 September, 2006 coup is still reverberating. The installation of the Abhisit government is just one more step towards the coup-maker's original purpose to destroy the democratic system with the King as head and replaced it with a strong bureaucracy. The PAD is a tool of the bureaucratic system. It ousted Samak [sundaravej] and Somchai [Wongsawat] and declared it wanted 70 per cent [appointed members of Parliament] and 30 per cent [elected].

"The military's actions could be called a silent coup; that is, instead of tanks and guns, they "requested cooperation". The reality is that they're behind [the new government]." Using a medical analogy, Weng said Thai democracy was suffering from a "septic infection" which had spread into the veins. We still have an immune system fighting the infection, though, he added.

"It's made up of the people who love democracy."

The Nation Sun, December 28, 2008

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Military ready to help police if rally turns violent : Navy chief

The Nation

Navy Commander in Chief Adm Kamthon Phumhiran said the armed forces are ready to provide assistance to police, if requested, to keep law and order if the protest against the coalition government to turns into violence.

The protest led by United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) was launched later Sunday at Sanam Luang. The so-called red shirt supporters are scheduled to move to rally in front of the Parliament on Monday. The military is not worried about the planned demonstration because the UDD leaders have announced that the rally would be held in a peaceful manner, the general said.

However, military personnel are ready to give help to the police, if requested, in order to maintain peace in the country, he said. Supporters of the UDD plan to hold the rally from Sunday to Tuesday in an attempt to prevent the newly-appointed coalition government of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva from presenting the government's policy statement to Parliament members, as required by law.

The government is scheduled to deliver policy statement to the Parliament on Monday and Tuesday.

The Nation Sun, December 28, 2008

[permanent_disorder]

Thai protesters rally ahead of PM's maiden policy speech

By Sinfah Tunsarawuth

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Opponents of Thailand's new government rallied in central Bangkok on Sunday and called for fresh elections, a day before Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva is due to make his maiden policy speech to parliament.Thousands of red-shirted supporters of Thaksin Shinawatra, who was ousted in a coup in a 2006, massed near the Grand Palace, but their sights were set on parliament, which elected Abhisit prime minister two weeks ago.

"On Monday, we will definitely move to Parliament House," Jatuporn Prompan, a leader of the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD), told Reuters. "Our position is to put pressure on Abhisit to dissolve the lower house."But Jatuporn said the DAAD had no plans to stop Abhisit from delivering his speech. "We will not block government MPs from entering parliament," Jatuporn said.

"We will not cut off the electricity or water, either," he added, referring to tactics used by a rival group whose street protests during Thailand's three-year political crisis undermined Thaksin and his allies.

The previous government, led by Thaksin's brother-in-law, had to step down after three parties in the ruling coalition were disbanded by the courts, which said they had committed vote fraud in a general election a year ago. Since that election, pro-Thaksin governments had been undermined by a series of court cases and street protests led by the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD), a group that includes members of parliament in Abhisit's Democrat Party.

Continued...

Reuters Sun Dec 28, 2008

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Photos: REUTERS/Chaiwat Subprasom

[Briggsy]

Lessons can always be drawn from history. Patterns have a tendency of repeating themselves once the initial memory has faded and the new crop of leaders has replaced the previous ones. I hope it doesn't come to this. However if push comes to shove, this is what history shows happens in Thai politics. Military leaders have already come out to say they are prepared to come out of their barracks to 'maintain law and order'. It's a fairly simplistic pattern.

In 1973, mass protests in Bangkok against the military regime resulted in a massacre by the military of protestors.

In 1976, mass protests in Bangkok against the military regime resulted in a massacre by the military of protestors.

In 1992, mass protests in Bangkok against the military regime resulted in a massacre by the military of protestors.

In 2008, mass protests in Bangkok supported by the military resulted in inaction by the military.

In 2009, mass protests in Bangkok against the military-backed regime resulted in???????

[dave9988]

Lessons can always be drawn from history. Patterns have a tendency of repeating themselves once the initial memory has faded and the new crop of leaders has replaced the previous ones. I hope it doesn't come to this. However if push comes to shove, this is what history shows happens in Thai politics. Military leaders have already come out to say they are prepared to come out of their barracks to 'maintain law and order'. It's a fairly simplistic pattern.

In 1973, mass protests in Bangkok against the military regime resulted in a massacre by the military of protestors.

In 1976, mass protests in Bangkok against the military regime resulted in a massacre by the military of protestors.

In 1992, mass protests in Bangkok against the military regime resulted in a massacre by the military of protestors.

In 2008, mass protests in Bangkok supported by the military resulted in inaction by the military.

In 2009, mass protests in Bangkok against the military-backed regime resulted in???????

LOL

[george]

This topic continues here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thaksin-Supp...ar-t232507.html