Two Thai Prostitutes Murdered In Paris

[bangkokrick]

So no story in English about this other than all the sniping going on here?

I've trawled the Internet and English press for more info, but not even the slightest mention in the media. Mind you with so many murders going on in the UK over the festive period, maybe this is not considered to be big news.

Sad!

Cheers, Rick

[Chaimai]

Those who so strongly support the commercial sex industry in Thailand would never for an instance support brothels and street walkers in Tonbridge Wells - heaven forbid, and there would even be letters to the editor of the Times. Bloody hypocrites.

I strongly support entertainment establishments in Thailand or Tonbridge Wells.

I have long supported the argument for legalisation so such services can be properly controlled and maintained. Thailand does not quite achieve that (because prostitution is illegal) but it is better focussed than the UK. Many European countries have dedicated locations for girls to operate in.

My UK base is not far from Ipswich where five prostitutes were murdered 2 years ago. Would this have happened had proper 'fit for purpose' licenced/controlled premises been available ? No one can say, but if they had I think most of those girls would probably be alive today

[NanLaew]

However, many members of this board (myself included) feel that Thai prostitutes do not represent Thai women. Some memebers feel Thai prostitutes are normal members of society and do represent the average Thai woman and that is really sad. Prostitution whether it's here or in Tonbridge Wells is immoral. Is that 'bashing' Thai women? I think only a fool, or a daft fool married to a prostitute (same as a fool) would think so.

Those who so strongly support the commercial sex industry in Thailand would never for an instance support brothels and street walkers in Tonbridge Wells - heaven forbid, and there would even be letters to the editor of the Times. Bloody hypocrites.

Sex for monetary favors has been a big part of the culture here for centuries and most Thai men who can afford it have more than one wife - whom they call "little wives" and who recieve money for their pleasures. It is considered normal and in no way "immoral" in the Western sense. Many Thai women are involved with men who are not their official husbands, but support them with cash. Of course, these women are normal members of society.

The hypocrites are the self-righteous, bumbling imbeciles that insist on coming over to Asia trying to change everything so that it is like back home. Thank God, this ain't the Church of England!

I agree with you that there are many different types of prostitute in Thailand.

Mia noi, mia luang are probably terms most members are familiar with. One of these relationships that farang men should know about before becoming involved in a relationship with a Thai prostitute is Mia Chaow. A Mia Chaow is translated as 'rented wife'. When a farang buys a girl out of a bar, so that he has companionship during his 2 week holiday in Pattaya, he doesn't understand, but all Thais do, that his 'girlfriend' is a Mia Chaow. Mia Chaow relationships can often endure for many years and may involve a marriage ceremony but all the time the woman knows exactly the terms and conditions of this 'love' affair: no finance, no romance. She may move to the UK but her husband back in Thailand still expects the dead-buffalo payments to be transferred regularly. Often the farang man is very happy and the woman performs her duties professionally. A match made in Pattaya - rowMANtik

Did you wake up this morning and make a conscious decision to be a sanctimonious and condescending <deleted>?

[bangkokrick]

Those who so strongly support the commercial sex industry in Thailand would never for an instance support brothels and street walkers in Tonbridge Wells - heaven forbid, and there would even be letters to the editor of the Times. Bloody hypocrites.

I strongly support entertainment establishments in Thailand or Tonbridge Wells.

I have long supported the argument for legalisation so such services can be properly controlled and maintained. Thailand does not quite achieve that (because prostitution is illegal) but it is better focussed than the UK. Many European countries have dedicated locations for girls to operate in.

My UK base is not far from Ipswich where five prostitutes were murdered 2 years ago. Would this have happened had proper 'fit for purpose' licenced/controlled premises been available ? No one can say, but if they had I think most of those girls would probably be alive today

I agree and lets not forget that many prostitutes do not voluteer to do this, but are forced into it by unscrupulous gangs/pimps. If it was legalised and controlled as i believe it is in Germany, maybe the gangs would move onto something else and the girls would be safer. The fact is that prostitution has been around for centuries and is not going to disappear any time soon whatever we think or say about it.

Cheers, Rick

[DLock]

"I think the first half of Animatics post pretty much says it all.

Dlock if you want to disrespect a person because of their station in life i honestly believe you have to walk in their shoes for a while, otherwise you have only stereotypes and suppositions upon which to base your thoughts.

That sir is the true cop out and taking the easy way.

Incidentally i know a couple of women who have sold their bodies for sex because they genuinely believed it was the only way for them to support their families. Who are we to judge their choices without having the same concerns and pressures on us."

I am disrespecting no-one for their "station" in life. I choose not to respect women who make choices I believe are immoral.

You knew 2 women who "genuinely believed" that this was the fastest, easiest way to make money. The lame excuses that people keep throwing up to rationalize these poor choices astounds me. They have choices. They make bad ones. If you are ok with their history and motives, then that's terrific.

But I wonder why every one of these girls tells their families they work in a hotel or as a tour guide. Why do you suppose that is?

[adjan jb]

I'm listening to France Info and they are saying that a suspect has just been arrested.

[Ulysses G.]

OK, UG you love prostitutes. How many posts are you going to write stating this? Most married farang men in Thailand have married women whose business is not to marry farang. You know, a relationship. Get out a bit more mate.

I hate to tell you this, but a whole lot of these 'virtuous" women that you are talking about have stumbled on the rosy path a time or two before finding their knight on a white horse. I have seen many ladies who only worked a season or two and then decided to get serious and find a farang husband. There are many more who have only worked in the Thai industry where they are almost invisible to Westerners and no one ever mentions it.

I have always wondered if that fear is the real reason why many of their husbands are so hateful towards women in the business.

[Ulysses G.]

But I wonder why every one of these girls tells their families they work in a hotel or as a tour guide. Why do you suppose that is?

Mostly because it is not true. Many of them don't hide it from their families and sometimes their families ask them to do it to get them out of debt.

[Gary A]

Many of you are eager and happy to compare apples and oranges. In the western countries a woman's husband abandons her and runs away. The social network takes over and feeds her and her children. The run a way husband WILL be found and he will either pay support or go to jail.

Just this week my wife has given money to a lady and her children. Her husband ran off and took every baht with him. What is his wife going to do? No education and she is from a VERY poor family. I was the bad guy and refused to take them in. This lady can't pay her rent and has no way to make a living especially in this sad economy. Her family will share their shack with her but they certainly can't support her and the children. The lady has already said that she can do nothing except to go to Bangkok and find a bar to work in. I too feel sorry for her but I'm NOT willing to share our home with her and the children.

No one on this forum has faced a situation like that nor do they have any idea of how they would handle it. You better than thou people better be thankful that you were lucky enough to be born in much better circumstances. Some of you are disgusting.

[DLock]

Many of you are eager and happy to compare apples and oranges. In the western countries a woman's husband abandons her and runs away. The social network takes over and feeds her and her children. The run a way husband WILL be found and he will either pay support or go to jail.

Just this week my wife has given money to a lady and her children. Her husband ran off and took every baht with him. What is his wife going to do? No education and she is from a VERY poor family. I was the bad guy and refused to take them in. This lady can't pay her rent and has no way to make a living especially in this sad economy. Her family will share their shack with her but they certainly can't support her and the children. The lady has already said that she can do nothing except to go to Bangkok and find a bar to work in. I too feel sorry for her but I'm NOT willing to share our home with her and the children.

No one on this forum has faced a situation like that nor do they have any idea of how they would handle it. You better than thou people better be thankful that you were lucky enough to be born in much better circumstances. Some of you are disgusting.

You're not willing to help...but you're willing to defend her CHOICE of renting her body as the only option.

Pot...meet kettle.

[Gary A]

Well DLock, I'm perfectly willing to tell her where you live so you can be one of those great moral saviors and take care of her and the children so she doesn't have to go rent her body. Kindly give me your address and I'll make sure to pay her fare to get her and her children to your home.Thank you for your compassion.

[NanLaew]

I'm listening to France Info and they are saying that a suspect has just been arrested.

Thanks jb for keeping this one on topic. It must be just below the mods radar at the moment.

[dumball]

Gary A , very well put , that is what i think about tree huggers also , don't tell me what to do , set a personal example .

[endure]

OK, boys - it's time for the insults to stop now. The topic is about the possibility of two Thai prostitutes being murdered in Paris, not a general discussion on prostitution and bargirls which, as you all know from your regular perusal of forum rules, is not permitted. Keep on topic or be quiet.

[yadetout]

Quick translation done via google translate www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hK6QubCblyeZAIE-gYaOpoX6zSZA

PARIS (AFP) - A suspect was arrested Saturday in connection with the investigation into the murder of two young Asian women Tuesday evening in the eleventh district and its custody should be extended to 24:00 Sunday, as parquet de Paris.

The victims, two young Asian women with a Thai passport, each aged 28, were found dead Tuesday evening at their home in the eleventh arrondissement of Paris, after being brutally stabbed.

The suspect, aged 36, was arrested Saturday in a street of Saint-Germain-des-Pres, around noon.

According to the police, the man of French nationality, born in Portugal and who is a cook in Luxembourg, was in Paris for the holiday season. Score two prostitutes, has been identified through investigations of forensic science.

Located by investigators, he then followed before being arrested Saturday and taken into custody in the premises of the Criminal Brigade of the Paris Judicial Police.

Investigations investigators, fed by both witness statements and forensic science, had helped focus a number of men on the day of close to the facts instead of double murder, according to a judicial source. The suspect arrested was specifically targeted, it said the same source.

He is unknown from the police and does not appear to affect psychiatric disorders, according to a source close to the case, it would "Pete a lead and killed the two young women.

Tuesday, shortly before 20:00, a neighboor returning to his apartment in a building of 15 Crussol street, a small artery of the eleventh district behind the Cirque d'hiver, had noticed significant traces of blood macula the floor and walls .

At the end of the corridor, the horror: a young woman, Asian, lying on the ground before the door of his apartment: bloodied, she wore a superficial wound to the neck and a very deep one arm.

The witness gave the alarm immediately and within minutes, police, firefighters and Samu teams were on hand.

In the apartment investigators had discovered the body of a second young woman, also Asian, which had a gaping wound in the neck and major injuries on the rest of the body. Doctors had found the two deaths at 20h10.

[sriracha john]

Luxembourg resident arrested over Paris murders

The chef in a restaurant in Roeser in Luxembourg has been arrested in Paris. It is understood that he has been charged with the murder of two women who were reported to be both 28 year-old prostitutes from Thailand.

The deaths took place in Paris where he was spending some time on holiday. He was arrested a short time after the bodies of the two women were found in an apartment in Paris.

The 36 year-old man is due to face court today in Paris following his arrest on Saturday. The murder weapon, a knife, was found in his hotel room, according to local media reports.

- News Station Luxembourg / 2008-12-29

[yadetout]

Quickly translated with google translate

http://www.europe1.fr/Info/Actualite-Franc...ue/(gid)/190627

Double murder in Paris: the suspect confesses

After the murder of two Asian women, on December, 23rd in the heart of Paris, a man was taken into custody Sunday, before moving to his confession, Monday. The knife was found in his hotel room.

The alleged murder Tuesday in Paris of two Thai prostitutes, a 36-year old Portuguese resident in Luxembourg, rose to his confession, said Monday morning the police headquarters in Paris.

Sunday, events had accelerated with the announcement of the arrest of a suspect and his placement in custody. "At this stage of the investigation, a number of important charges against that person," said the head of the criminal prosecution, Naima Rudloff. "The objective, as part of the spoils, in any case of personal effects stolen from the victims were found in the hotel room of the suspect and the weapon alleged double homicide was also found in his possession", a detailed the magistrate. "Finally, at this stage in its custody, he spent a number of confessions, in any case detailed statements should be clarified," she added justifying the extension of custody for 24:00. "The track seems to stand out is the customer. The man was one of the last customers of these two young Thai women engaged in prostitution in this apartment," continued Mrs. Rudloff stating that " circumstances and conditions through "remained unclear.

The portrait emerging of alleged murderer: "This is a young cook, totally unknown to the police who lives and works in Luxembourg and was fitted for the holidays in Paris where he was staying in a hotel," said reported the representative of the prosecution. "He lived in France before and had a stable relationship for three years with a young woman and, since January 2008, was out sentimental," said the judge added, explaining that this break had probably contributed to his "nomadisation and desocialisation ".

The facts back to Tuesday 23 December. By early evening, two young Asian women Thai passport, each aged 28, were found dead at their home in the eleventh arrondissement of Paris, after being brutally stabbed. The suspect, aged 36, was arrested Saturday on a street in Saint-Germain-des-Pres, around noon. Placed in custody in the premises of the Criminal Brigade of the Judicial Police Saturday, he saw the measure renewed for 24 hours Sunday.

The evening of drama, a coastal returning to his apartment in a building of 15 Crussol street, a small artery of the eleventh district behind the Cirque d'hiver, had noticed significant traces of blood macula the floor and walls. He had also discovered a body lying and gave the alert. In the apartment, investigators had discovered the body of a second young woman, also Asian, which had a gaping wound in the neck and major injuries on the rest of the body. Doctors had found the two deaths at 20H10.

[ilyushin]

Terrible.

RIP

[yadetout]

Quickly translated with google translate

http://www.20minutes.fr/article/284598/Fra...pect-ecroue.php

THE MAIN SUSPECT JAILED

Paris - The man, a 36 years old Portuguese cook, met young women through ads ...

The main suspect in the investigation into the murder Tuesday in Paris of two Thai prostitutes was indicted Monday evening for "theft and aggravated murder" and placed in detention. Earlier, the Portuguese resident in Luxembourg, had risen to confess.

The man had been found in possession of the weapon that was used in the crime after his arrest on the street, Saturday at 11:45 at Saint-Germain-des-Pres. It will be brought Monday afternoon to Paris prosecutors.

The runway client privileged

Sunday at a press conference, the prosecution of Paris and the Paris judicial police had reported on this issue "for loads weighing on that person." "The objective, as part of the spoils, in any case of personal effects stolen from the victims were found in the hotel room of the suspect and the weapon alleged double homicide (a knife) was also found in its possession, "stated the representative of the Procuracy.

She added that "at this stage in its custody, the suspect had" spent a number of confessions, in any case detailed statements should be clarified, "justifying the extension of custody sight for 24 hours. "The track seems to stand out is the customer. The man was one of the last customers of these two young Thai women engaged in prostitution in this apartment where they lived, the judge added, stressing that "the circumstances and conditions of the transition to 'act "remained unclear.

A meeting by ad

According to the deputy director of the judicial police in Paris, Philippe Bugeaud, the Portuguese cook had met these young women "through ads found in the street with a phone number." "The contact is made by telephone and was quickly on a commercial basis," the officer stated.

"Everyone has recognized that he had visited the site, he had an appointment and after gallant, things have gone wrong. But there is still obscure points, "added Philippe Bugeaud, citing in particular the question of premeditation, the exact conditions of the transition to the act or the use of narcotics by the alleged murderer.

Residing in Luxembourg, the man came to celebrate in Paris where he was staying at the hotel. "He lived in France before and had a stable relationship for three years with a young woman and, since January 2008, was out sentimental," said the head of the criminal prosecution Naïma Rudloff, and that this failure was not probably contributed to its "nomadisation and desocialization".

Edited December 30, 2008 by yadetout

[onetimeonly]

Speaking as someone who knows this person personally, I can tell you that the crime was not racially motivated (IMHO). While David is racist (based on various conversations with him), especially concerning colored and/or Asian women, I never knew him to actively search out confrontation with either group.

The news articles state hat he had been in a stable relationship for the last three years. That is possible, since he left Luxembourg almost three years ago after his restaurant went bankrupt and he disappeared with the available funds. As of a year ago, he was not working at the Italian restaurant in Roser, but I have not been there in a year, so I do not know when he started work again there.

I my OPINION, the girls asked for a different amount than what he thought he should pay and he settled the discussion with a knife. Racially motivated, no, just a crime of opportunity perpetrated by a racist.

[Artisi]

" I my OPINION, the girls asked for a different amount than what he thought he should pay and he settled the discussion with a knife. Racially motivated, no, just a crime of opportunity perpetrated by a racist. "

Pleased we cleared that small point up - everyone can sleep easy tonight.

Edited January 8, 2009 by Artisi