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Very disappointing to see them not using the Safety-Approved Child Motorcycle Seat Add-On that one sees on many motorbikes. They are much more safer up front in those with their two little hands holding onto the mirrors for proper safety balance.

Disclaimer: Totally facetious post.

Posted

I can only feel empathy with this young couple. OK they drive not safety and may they not even realize it. But at least they go shopping with their child to buy fan and not leave it at home.

Maybe 3 helmet are very expensive for them and maybe the same for the safety seat.

You can see then thousands of situations like that all over the country. Regretable yes, but what can they do. Not everybody is able to buy a car.

Posted
I can only feel empathy with this young couple. OK they drive not safety and may they not even realize it. But at least they go shopping with their child to buy fan and not leave it at home.

Maybe 3 helmet are very expensive for them and maybe the same for the safety seat.

You can see then thousands of situations like that all over the country. Regretable yes, but what can they do. Not everybody is able to buy a car.

I would rather they left the child at home with grandmother, or whoever, than sandwich the child like that with an already dangerous cargo on board.

Yes we do see it often and we know who gets the blame when the accident happens - the biggest vehicle. Though in this case I feel the motorcycle with fan attachments etc maybe bigger than a pick up truck!! :o

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Very disappointing to see them not using the Safety-Approved Child Motorcycle Seat Add-On that one sees on many motorbikes. They are much more safer up front in those with their two little hands holding onto the mirrors for proper safety balance.

Disclaimer: Totally facetious post.

:o:D:D

Posted

At least the child is sitting between the parents. In this neck of the jungle, it's not unusual to see the child standing on the seat, arms around the driver's neck with the other parent behind. The most I've ever seen on a bike is 6: father driving with child wedged between him and the front, another child wedged behind the father, then the mother behind that child with one small child in each arm. The Dodge Caravan of Thailand.

Posted (edited)
You can see then thousands of situations like that all over the country. Regretable yes, but what can they do. Not everybody is able to buy a car.

It's not ideal, and isn't available over every square kilometer of Thailand..... but...

baht-bus.jpg

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At least the child is sitting between the parents. In this neck of the jungle, it's not unusual to see the child standing on the seat, arms around the driver's neck with the other parent behind. The most I've ever seen on a bike is 6: father driving with child wedged between him and the front, another child wedged behind the father, then the mother behind that child with one small child in each arm. The Dodge Caravan of Thailand.

Dang!... that's a photo op!

The most I've seen here was 5 (all too big to be carried in Mom's arms).

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That sort of activity is culturally acceptable and very common here, it is strange to see a post on a Thai-centric forum mocking a normal (for Thais), and very frequent activity.

If one were to consider the thousands of kilometers covered daily by Thais all over the country on scooters when helmet-less and/or overloading the machine then the perception of the statistical danger per kilometer traveled would probably be greatly reduced.

Also, taking pictures of some random family going about their business and posting them up for criticism on a forum which they likely will never see strikes me as extremely tasteless. They will probably have no opportunity to reply and defend their actions from the mob piling-on that always results from this kind of topic.

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That sort of activity is culturally acceptable and very common here, it is strange to see a post on a Thai-centric forum mocking a normal (for Thais), and very frequent activity.

If one were to consider the thousands of kilometers covered daily by Thais all over the country on scooters when helmet-less and/or overloading the machine then the perception of the statistical danger per kilometer traveled would probably be greatly reduced.

Also, taking pictures of some random family going about their business and posting them up for criticism on a forum which they likely will never see strikes me as extremely tasteless. They will probably have no opportunity to reply and defend their actions from the mob piling-on that always results from this kind of topic.

thank god for you!! i thought my moral compass had been lost. could you please turn it back to my preferred settings and give it back?

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That sort of activity is culturally acceptable and very common here, it is strange to see a post on a Thai-centric forum mocking a normal (for Thais), and very frequent activity.

If one were to consider the thousands of kilometers covered daily by Thais all over the country on scooters when helmet-less and/or overloading the machine then the perception of the statistical danger per kilometer traveled would probably be greatly reduced.

Also, taking pictures of some random family going about their business and posting them up for criticism on a forum which they likely will never see strikes me as extremely tasteless. They will probably have no opportunity to reply and defend their actions from the mob piling-on that always results from this kind of topic.

They in all likelihood won't have an opportunity to reply! why? because there is a good chance that at least one, maybe more will be dead.

And what the <deleted> has anything regarding safety to do with culture.

If you excuse everything on the grounds of culture you have lost the argument :o:D:D

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That sort of activity is culturally acceptable and very common here, it is strange to see a post on a Thai-centric forum mocking a normal (for Thais), and very frequent activity.

If one were to consider the thousands of kilometers covered daily by Thais all over the country on scooters when helmet-less and/or overloading the machine then the perception of the statistical danger per kilometer traveled would probably be greatly reduced.

Also, taking pictures of some random family going about their business and posting them up for criticism on a forum which they likely will never see strikes me as extremely tasteless. They will probably have no opportunity to reply and defend their actions from the mob piling-on that always results from this kind of topic.

thank god for you!! i thought my moral compass had been lost. could you please turn it back to my preferred settings and give it back?

Sorry if my post came across as preachy, but the OP made me wonder how I would feel if somebody took a picture of my family doing something that we (and thousands of other families) might do every day and posted it up on the interwebs for public discussion and derision.

We don't know the family's situation or anything about the trip they are making so it seems presumptuous to comment on the rights and wrongs of what they are doing imh(umble)o.

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They in all likelihood won't have an opportunity to reply! why? because there is a good chance that at least one, maybe more will be dead.

I agree with the premise that it is dangerous to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, but that is not the reason they will be unlikely to post in this thread and you know that as well as I do. If you want to reply then please don't use strawman arguments.

And what the <deleted> has anything regarding safety to do with culture.

Guns, alcohol, cigarettes, etc are considered dangerous in differing levels across the globe and are therefore regulated according to the local prevailing perception of the danger, that was my meaning in using the word 'culture'.

If you excuse everything on the grounds of culture you have lost the argument :o:D:D

I am not arguing in favour or against anything, I am just saying that it is not seen to be the heinous act of endangerment here that it is seen as in other places, and is therefore not regulated as strictly. It is not fair to hold up a random family and picture them as bad parents when thousands of other parents here do the same thing daily. They cannot defend themselves here and it is something of an invasion of their privacy to post pics up imh(umble)o.

Posted
That sort of activity is culturally acceptable and very common here, it is strange to see a post on a Thai-centric forum mocking a normal (for Thais), and very frequent activity.

If one were to consider the thousands of kilometers covered daily by Thais all over the country on scooters when helmet-less and/or overloading the machine then the perception of the statistical danger per kilometer traveled would probably be greatly reduced.

Also, taking pictures of some random family going about their business and posting them up for criticism on a forum which they likely will never see strikes me as extremely tasteless. They will probably have no opportunity to reply and defend their actions from the mob piling-on that always results from this kind of topic.

thank god for you!! i thought my moral compass had been lost. could you please turn it back to my preferred settings and give it back?

Sorry if my post came across as preachy, but the OP made me wonder how I would feel if somebody took a picture of my family doing something that we (and thousands of other families) might do every day and posted it up on the interwebs for public discussion and derision.

We don't know the family's situation or anything about the trip they are making so it seems presumptuous to comment on the rights and wrongs of what they are doing imh(umble)o.

To my way of thinking , it does not matter how you word it or what or how many excuses you can come up with , it all boils down to the same end fact , a serious accident waiting to happen . What about a few serious cures for what ails Thai and thier dangerous 'My pen rai ' attitude ? Have none of you ever seen a small trailer on the back of a BICYCLE , surely such a simplistic device on the rear of a moto would answer many existing problems seen on the streets of Thailand today , saving a multitude of injuries at the same time . Not expensive to construct , a pair of large wheels with an axle was $20.00 the last time I enquired , the rest can be made from plastic water-pipe , I made up a drawing a long time ago for an intested party in a village .Get your heads together all you 'Masters' holders and FIX the problem , you've told many how smart you are , please give us a modicum of proof :o

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To my way of thinking , it does not matter how you word it or what or how many excuses you can come up with , it all boils down to the same end fact , a serious accident waiting to happen . What about a few serious cures for what ails Thai and thier dangerous 'My pen rai ' attitude ? Have none of you ever seen a small trailer on the back of a BICYCLE , surely such a simplistic device on the rear of a moto would answer many existing problems seen on the streets of Thailand today , saving a multitude of injuries at the same time . Not expensive to construct , a pair of large wheels with an axle was $20.00 the last time I enquired , the rest can be made from plastic water-pipe , I made up a drawing a long time ago for an intested party in a village .Get your heads together all you 'Masters' holders and FIX the problem , you've told many how smart you are , please give us a modicum of proof :o

Wow, that was quite an interesting rant.

Serious accidents happen everywhere, every day. I am not sure why you introduced the bicycle topic as that is not really the point here, and a trailer fabricated from plumbing parts towed behind a scooter capable of quite high speeds probably would not help much in the case of an accident; are you seriously claiming that a child would be safer on a $20 homemade trailer than on a scooter? Personally I would guess they would have about the same consequences in the case of an accident.

Oh, and for the record: I do not have a 'Masters' in anything, and I have not posted in that thread and I do not claim to have one.

My objection to this thread is the invasion of privacy for the family involved, and the judgemental attitude that a thread like this inherently holds.

Posted
To my way of thinking , it does not matter how you word it or what or how many excuses you can come up with , it all boils down to the same end fact , a serious accident waiting to happen . What about a few serious cures for what ails Thai and thier dangerous 'My pen rai ' attitude ? Have none of you ever seen a small trailer on the back of a BICYCLE , surely such a simplistic device on the rear of a moto would answer many existing problems seen on the streets of Thailand today , saving a multitude of injuries at the same time . Not expensive to construct , a pair of large wheels with an axle was $20.00 the last time I enquired , the rest can be made from plastic water-pipe , I made up a drawing a long time ago for an intested party in a village .Get your heads together all you 'Masters' holders and FIX the problem , you've told many how smart you are , please give us a modicum of proof :o

Wow, that was quite an interesting rant.

Serious accidents happen everywhere, every day. I am not sure why you introduced the bicycle topic as that is not really the point here, and a trailer fabricated from plumbing parts towed behind a scooter capable of quite high speeds probably would not help much in the case of an accident; are you seriously claiming that a child would be safer on a $20 homemade trailer than on a scooter? Personally I would guess they would have about the same consequences in the case of an accident.

Oh, and for the record: I do not have a 'Masters' in anything, and I have not posted in that thread and I do not claim to have one.

My objection to this thread is the invasion of privacy for the family involved, and the judgemental attitude that a thread like this inherently holds.

You missed the whole point of my response , the inclusion of a bicycle towed trailer is more pertinant to the thread than your aversion to some responses .

A moto is designed to carry TWO PEOPLE SAFELY , that is to say , the operator would be in a more relative position to control the machine in a correct and prudent manner with little restriction due to encumberances . I have designed and built motor-cycles from the ground up and I am therefore fully aware that safety is of the optimum , even at speeds in excess of 250 MPH (410KPH) , the trailer , as such , was more than capable of performing its work AROUND THE VILLAGE . Please re-read and try to understand my post in its own context , not relevance to your manner of thinking .

Yes , any child would be far safer in a properly constructed trailer built for the pupose , than in the manner which they are thoughtlessly transported in Thailand ., please stop the excuses and THINK .

Hope this rant is as interesting as the last one . :D

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Do Thai have a donor sign off on thier drivers license ? They could be the 'Organ hub ' of SE Asia , make a few bucks for the family , without being sarky !! :o

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Having been here nearly 3 years full time, i see this bike thing everyday in our small town of about 8.500 residents, i used to cringe seeing an overloaded MC, and only one hand on the bars, but now, i hear [nearly every day] the ambulance sirens and i think to myself, well, it didnt hurt me, but somebody is dead or learnt a lesson!

There are 4 major routes through Namsom, and kids will ride straight across them from side roads without stopping, what can i do? nothing, i hear the sirens and think, I wonder how many dead or serious tonight, Up to Them,,

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Do Thai have a donor sign off on thier drivers license ? They could be the 'Organ hub ' of SE Asia , make a few bucks for the family , without being sarky !! :o

You may have something here! I always carried a donor card around with me in the UK. Not sure if it would work here though - mangled bodies, thrown in the back of a pick-up, the heat (eew!), etc. They'd have to be pretty quick to save anything useful in this climate. :D

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My personal record for catching on camera - Five-up:

TV059.jpg

[siem Reap, Cambodia, 2006]

When I snap one with seven-up I'm going to sell it to PepsiCo for their next advertising campaign.

Not close to some of the things I've seen though... :o

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My personal record for catching on camera - Five-up:

TV059.jpg

[siem Reap, Cambodia, 2006]

When I snap one with seven-up I'm going to sell it to PepsiCo for their next advertising campaign.

Not close to some of the things I've seen though... :o

Time for a competition methinks... let's get some piccies posted! :D

Posted
Time for a competition methinks... let's get some piccies posted! :o

These are the Before...can we post the After pictures aswell?

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Time for a competition methinks... let's get some piccies posted! :o

These are the Before...can we post the After pictures aswell?

Yeah, let's all take random pictures of people in developing countries and post them up for internet ridicule, for bonus fun we can take pictures after they have accidents or suffer disfiguring diseases and mock them further -- that'll be farking hilarious!

Go to rotten.com if you get your jollies like that, we don't need it here.

For what it's worth I saw a family of three overweight Caucasians on a scooter in Naiharn, Phuket this morning. The father and mother were so fat that the daughter, who I'd guess was about 11 years old, was sliding off the back of the bike and desperately clinging on to her mother. The father was riding his scooter down the middle of the road in heavy traffic and nobody was wearing a helmet.

But yeah, this is a Thai thing. Right?

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Time for a competition methinks... let's get some piccies posted! :D

These are the Before...can we post the After pictures aswell?

Yeah, let's all take random pictures of people in developing countries and post them up for internet ridicule, for bonus fun we can take pictures after they have accidents or suffer disfiguring diseases and mock them further -- that'll be farking hilarious!

Go to rotten.com if you get your jollies like that, we don't need it here.

For what it's worth I saw a family of three overweight Caucasians on a scooter in Naiharn, Phuket this morning. The father and mother were so fat that the daughter, who I'd guess was about 11 years old, was sliding off the back of the bike and desperately clinging on to her mother. The father was riding his scooter down the middle of the road in heavy traffic and nobody was wearing a helmet.

But yeah, this is a Thai thing. Right?

Hey , when in Rome do as the Romans do , now maybe you can appreciate the absolute stupidity of 'The Thai way' , those people were emulating the THAI WAY of doing things , DO YOU GET THE PICTURE ? Your defensive attitude is absolutely assinine , you point out the Thai way of driving and ridicule it , LOOK IN THE MIRROR .

I think jetsetbkk was trying to throw in a learning curve for protective idiots such as yourself , show the end result of stupidity in driving the way Thai do . :o

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Time for a competition methinks... let's get some piccies posted! :D

These are the Before...can we post the After pictures aswell?

Yeah, let's all take random pictures of people in developing countries and post them up for internet ridicule, for bonus fun we can take pictures after they have accidents or suffer disfiguring diseases and mock them further -- that'll be farking hilarious!

Go to rotten.com if you get your jollies like that, we don't need it here.

For what it's worth I saw a family of three overweight Caucasians on a scooter in Naiharn, Phuket this morning. The father and mother were so fat that the daughter, who I'd guess was about 11 years old, was sliding off the back of the bike and desperately clinging on to her mother. The father was riding his scooter down the middle of the road in heavy traffic and nobody was wearing a helmet.

But yeah, this is a Thai thing. Right?

Hey , when in Rome do as the Romans do , now maybe you can appreciate the absolute stupidity of 'The Thai way' , those people were emulating the THAI WAY of doing things , DO YOU GET THE PICTURE ? Your defensive attitude is absolutely assinine , you point out the Thai way of driving and ridicule it , LOOK IN THE MIRROR .

I think jetsetbkk was trying to throw in a learning curve for protective idiots such as yourself , show the end result of stupidity in driving the way Thai do . :o

Agreed, absolute stupidity. Why don't they take the new SUV they left at home? Instead they choose to take the bike.

Edited by thaiwanderer
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Hey , when in Rome do as the Romans do , now maybe you can appreciate the absolute stupidity of 'The Thai way' , those people were emulating the THAI WAY of doing things , DO YOU GET THE PICTURE ? Your defensive attitude is absolutely assinine , you point out the Thai way of driving and ridicule it , LOOK IN THE MIRROR .

I think jetsetbkk was trying to throw in a learning curve for protective idiots such as yourself , show the end result of stupidity in driving the way Thai do . :o

Wow, talk about missing the point completely! Where are the pics of non-Thais driving dangerously? Why aren't they posted up here for public ridicule and mockery?

Care to post some? Nah, I didn't think so. Oh, and by the way STOP SHOUTING, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOUR POINT ANY MORE CONVINCING!

At least the first four letters of your username are accurate, you farking moron.

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