My Catfish Farm Operation

[Canada]

Like I said. Our pond is just a hobby. I am not concerned about this pond. It is about 5m square and maybe 1 m deep. I would not use this pond for fish production. I would dig new ponds.

I am trying to assess wether or not we could do fish farming on a large scale (3 -4 , 2ngan ponds) with only a well for water supply. We could dig a pond to store water from the well, but ultimately there would only be a well for water.

[RedBullHorn]

Too risky if you do not have a stream of river nearby... too risky relying on underground water + cost factor.

[RedBullHorn]

All this while you are only assuming base on maths regarding the output of your well and submersible pump. There's no a good way to start a commercial farming business. Have you done your homework asking your wife,relatives...checking the market around your area/tambon/province and nearby provinces ? Who are the bulk buyer doing the deliveries/wholesalers/associations/Clarias catfish farm owners within you immediate/nearby vicinities ?

Money can be made and i am making them but there's a lot of things involve in regards to understanding the geographical advantage and what produce to do to optimize output for you gain. A lot of this are involve in the operations, production, weather pattern, market share of the region...so on and so on...

I always say to friends/villagers/neighbours..."Mer khrai mer man" (northern thai language Kum Muang) meaning " to each his own profession". You have 10 rai, i too have 10 rai...but the produce output are not the same. You farm paddy and i farm fishes, same 10 rai but i made 10x more than you. But my capital investment are in the million figures and yours are less than a 100k and you have credits, plant first and pay later...mine are upfront...cash. You can't do fishes like i do and i can't do paddy like you...

Stick to what you know best...sugarcane plantation.

After you got all the facts for doing Clarias in your area, study them to see if it is really feasible...

I will gladly discuss and guide you on how well you should go about farming and selling them.

Cheers...

Edited April 27, 2014 by RedBullHorn

[RedBullHorn]

This season's 2nd batch of 110'000... my 1st batch was 130'000.

25 days apart. Sizes = 3"-4" pla duk Big Oui fingerlings.

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Edited May 2, 2014 by RedBullHorn

[Canada]

All this while you are only assuming base on maths regarding the output of your well and submersible pump. There's no a good way to start a commercial farming business. Have you done your homework asking your wife,relatives...checking the market around your area/tambon/province and nearby provinces ? Who are the bulk buyer doing the deliveries/wholesalers/associations/Clarias catfish farm owners within you immediate/nearby vicinities ?

Money can be made and i am making them but there's a lot of things involve in regards to understanding the geographical advantage and what produce to do to optimize output for you gain. A lot of this are involve in the operations, production, weather pattern, market share of the region...so on and so on...

I always say to friends/villagers/neighbours..."Mer khrai mer man" (northern thai language Kum Muang) meaning " to each his own profession". You have 10 rai, i too have 10 rai...but the produce output are not the same. You farm paddy and i farm fishes, same 10 rai but i made 10x more than you. But my capital investment are in the million figures and yours are less than a 100k and you have credits, plant first and pay later...mine are upfront...cash. You can't do fishes like i do and i can't do paddy like you...

Stick to what you know best...sugarcane plantation.

After you got all the facts for doing Clarias in your area, study them to see if it is really feasible...

I will gladly discuss and guide you on how well you should go about farming and selling them.

Cheers...

Well that's fine RBH. But I think you've misunderstood.

My first line of questioning is "is it even possible to farm fish on a large scale relying on well water. If that is a negative, which it sounds like it is, no need for further investigation. Full stop. I may not be the smartest guy around, but I'm not an idiot either. No need to write a condescending post like this. Thanks.

As far as sugarcane goes.....hmmm.....knowing what i know now, I wouldn't advise anyone to go into it without some serious cash to invest. We have 100 rai and it's not enough to live off of. Not just off of farming cane. So we are looking at other options/ideas for what to do with our land that would be more productive.

[RedBullHorn]

All this while you are only assuming base on maths regarding the output of your well and submersible pump. There's no a good way to start a commercial farming business. Have you done your homework asking your wife,relatives...checking the market around your area/tambon/province and nearby provinces ? Who are the bulk buyer doing the deliveries/wholesalers/associations/Clarias catfish farm owners within you immediate/nearby vicinities ?

Money can be made and i am making them but there's a lot of things involve in regards to understanding the geographical advantage and what produce to do to optimize output for you gain. A lot of this are involve in the operations, production, weather pattern, market share of the region...so on and so on...

I always say to friends/villagers/neighbours..."Mer khrai mer man" (northern thai language Kum Muang) meaning " to each his own profession". You have 10 rai, i too have 10 rai...but the produce output are not the same. You farm paddy and i farm fishes, same 10 rai but i made 10x more than you. But my capital investment are in the million figures and yours are less than a 100k and you have credits, plant first and pay later...mine are upfront...cash. You can't do fishes like i do and i can't do paddy like you...

Stick to what you know best...sugarcane plantation.

After you got all the facts for doing Clarias in your area, study them to see if it is really feasible...

I will gladly discuss and guide you on how well you should go about farming and selling them.

Cheers...

Well that's fine RBH. But I think you've misunderstood.

My first line of questioning is "is it even possible to farm fish on a large scale relying on well water. If that is a negative, which it sounds like it is, no need for further investigation. Full stop. I may not be the smartest guy around, but I'm not an idiot either. No need to write a condescending post like this. Thanks.

As far as sugarcane goes.....hmmm.....knowing what i know now, I wouldn't advise anyone to go into it without some serious cash to invest. We have 100 rai and it's not enough to live off of. Not just off of farming cane. So we are looking at other options/ideas for what to do with our land that would be more productive.

Canada, I'm sorry if the post sound condescending...It's not my fault, i blame it on the bottle of Lao Khao.

Please read it again and this time in a softer tone and slower pace... Just kind of imagine i am talking to you face to face with hands movement and asking you in an enquiry manner with my hand holding onto my chin.

My sets of questioning are to help me to do a assessment of your vicinities... I was waiting for you to check it out and get back to me. Why ? Because when you hit an obstacle like this "no stream no river or no to an equivalent water source support", it doesn't mean it will not work. My solution to this type of hurdle would be to do rental ponds...Which i did, not because i am short of water supply but i am short of land to further my expansion plan.

I only meant to help you find a solution, not to criticize or try belittling you.

Let me know what you find out and we shall see how best to tackle it.

best regards.

Edited May 3, 2014 by RedBullHorn

[shahaf]

Hi guys

I am very new here - and to Catfish ponds

Can some help me please with Middle man / wholesalers numbers or a names near Pattaya? or in Thailand near Bangkok?

Thanks in advance

[RedBullHorn]

shahaf mate, if i am not going to give you, i doubt anyone will. Contacts are not easy to come by, usually earned through a little hardship farming Clarias, making expensive mistakes etc etc...

Short cut in farming business...no way~

Edited May 4, 2014 by RedBullHorn

[IsaanAussie]

To all newbies and those looking for alternatives in the farming world. There are no free rides, no easy answers and definitely, no end of the rainbow fortunes to be snapped up. What you will have read recently in this and other topics is the voice of experience after many mistakes and a mountain of hard work.

RBH, you have my admiration for what it's worth. To those looking for guidance, there is a clear road map laid out here for you. All you have to do is follow it. As is often said in Thailand, "Up to you!"

[Canada]

All this while you are only assuming base on maths regarding the output of your well and submersible pump. There's no a good way to start a commercial farming business. Have you done your homework asking your wife,relatives...checking the market around your area/tambon/province and nearby provinces ? Who are the bulk buyer doing the deliveries/wholesalers/associations/Clarias catfish farm owners within you immediate/nearby vicinities ?

Money can be made and i am making them but there's a lot of things involve in regards to understanding the geographical advantage and what produce to do to optimize output for you gain. A lot of this are involve in the operations, production, weather pattern, market share of the region...so on and so on...

I always say to friends/villagers/neighbours..."Mer khrai mer man" (northern thai language Kum Muang) meaning " to each his own profession". You have 10 rai, i too have 10 rai...but the produce output are not the same. You farm paddy and i farm fishes, same 10 rai but i made 10x more than you. But my capital investment are in the million figures and yours are less than a 100k and you have credits, plant first and pay later...mine are upfront...cash. You can't do fishes like i do and i can't do paddy like you...

Stick to what you know best...sugarcane plantation.

After you got all the facts for doing Clarias in your area, study them to see if it is really feasible...

I will gladly discuss and guide you on how well you should go about farming and selling them.

Cheers...

Well that's fine RBH. But I think you've misunderstood.

My first line of questioning is "is it even possible to farm fish on a large scale relying on well water. If that is a negative, which it sounds like it is, no need for further investigation. Full stop. I may not be the smartest guy around, but I'm not an idiot either. No need to write a condescending post like this. Thanks.

As far as sugarcane goes.....hmmm.....knowing what i know now, I wouldn't advise anyone to go into it without some serious cash to invest. We have 100 rai and it's not enough to live off of. Not just off of farming cane. So we are looking at other options/ideas for what to do with our land that would be more productive.

Canada, I'm sorry if the post sound condescending...It's not my fault, i blame it on the bottle of Lao Khao.

Please read it again and this time in a softer tone and slower pace... Just kind of imagine i am talking to you face to face with hands movement and asking you in an enquiry manner with my hand holding onto my chin.

My sets of questioning are to help me to do a assessment of your vicinities... I was waiting for you to check it out and get back to me. Why ? Because when you hit an obstacle like this "no stream no river or no to an equivalent water source support", it doesn't mean it will not work. My solution to this type of hurdle would be to do rental ponds...Which i did, not because i am short of water supply but i am short of land to further my expansion plan.

I only meant to help you find a solution, not to criticize or try belittling you.

Let me know what you find out and we shall see how best to tackle it.

best regards.

Actually RBH this is bullshit for an excuse for your arrogance. I've read through this thread and I think you're full of yourself, not Lao Khao. Big deal, you made some money growing fish.

.You've been pretty clear in a couple of your answers, totally off the mark in most of them if you read my questions accurately. You have so far told me:

"Too risky if you do not have a stream of river nearby... too risky relying on underground water + cost factor."

"I mentioned well are not reliable become you can't see how much water is beneath it...can you ? A water reserve pond allow you to gauge how much water you have because you can see the water level. "

"During an event of emergency and suddenly your precious and expensive submersible pump fail you, that would be trouble... and without water replacement, your stock mortality rate just climb and climb."

"All this while you are only assuming base on maths regarding the output of your well and submersible pump. There's no a good way to start a commercial farming business. Have you done your homework asking your wife,relatives..."

"Stick to what you know best...sugarcane plantation."

And now you say "Because when you hit an obstacle like this "no stream no river or no to an equivalent water source support", it doesn't mean it will not work." Which is in direct contradiction to your previous answers and your tone. It also answers my very first question in my first post very clearly, but opposite of what you have said from then till now.

If you're going to apologise, then apologise, not give stupid excuses for your behaviour. I don't play games with people and I don't take well to people who do.

Have a great night with your whiskey.

[RedBullHorn]

All this while you are only assuming base on maths regarding the output of your well and submersible pump. There's no a good way to start a commercial farming business. Have you done your homework asking your wife,relatives...checking the market around your area/tambon/province and nearby provinces ? Who are the bulk buyer doing the deliveries/wholesalers/associations/Clarias catfish farm owners within you immediate/nearby vicinities ?

Money can be made and i am making them but there's a lot of things involve in regards to understanding the geographical advantage and what produce to do to optimize output for you gain. A lot of this are involve in the operations, production, weather pattern, market share of the region...so on and so on...

I always say to friends/villagers/neighbours..."Mer khrai mer man" (northern thai language Kum Muang) meaning " to each his own profession". You have 10 rai, i too have 10 rai...but the produce output are not the same. You farm paddy and i farm fishes, same 10 rai but i made 10x more than you. But my capital investment are in the million figures and yours are less than a 100k and you have credits, plant first and pay later...mine are upfront...cash. You can't do fishes like i do and i can't do paddy like you...

Stick to what you know best...sugarcane plantation.

After you got all the facts for doing Clarias in your area, study them to see if it is really feasible...

I will gladly discuss and guide you on how well you should go about farming and selling them.

Cheers...

Well that's fine RBH. But I think you've misunderstood.

My first line of questioning is "is it even possible to farm fish on a large scale relying on well water. If that is a negative, which it sounds like it is, no need for further investigation. Full stop. I may not be the smartest guy around, but I'm not an idiot either. No need to write a condescending post like this. Thanks.

As far as sugarcane goes.....hmmm.....knowing what i know now, I wouldn't advise anyone to go into it without some serious cash to invest. We have 100 rai and it's not enough to live off of. Not just off of farming cane. So we are looking at other options/ideas for what to do with our land that would be more productive.

Canada, I'm sorry if the post sound condescending...It's not my fault, i blame it on the bottle of Lao Khao.

Please read it again and this time in a softer tone and slower pace... Just kind of imagine i am talking to you face to face with hands movement and asking you in an enquiry manner with my hand holding onto my chin.

My sets of questioning are to help me to do a assessment of your vicinities... I was waiting for you to check it out and get back to me. Why ? Because when you hit an obstacle like this "no stream no river or no to an equivalent water source support", it doesn't mean it will not work. My solution to this type of hurdle would be to do rental ponds...Which i did, not because i am short of water supply but i am short of land to further my expansion plan.

I only meant to help you find a solution, not to criticize or try belittling you.

Let me know what you find out and we shall see how best to tackle it.

best regards.

Actually RBH this is bullshit for an excuse for your arrogance. I've read through this thread and I think you're full of yourself, not Lao Khao. Big deal, you made some money growing fish.

.You've been pretty clear in a couple of your answers, totally off the mark in most of them if you read my questions accurately. You have so far told me:

"Too risky if you do not have a stream of river nearby... too risky relying on underground water + cost factor."

"I mentioned well are not reliable become you can't see how much water is beneath it...can you ? A water reserve pond allow you to gauge how much water you have because you can see the water level. "

"During an event of emergency and suddenly your precious and expensive submersible pump fail you, that would be trouble... and without water replacement, your stock mortality rate just climb and climb."

"All this while you are only assuming base on maths regarding the output of your well and submersible pump. There's no a good way to start a commercial farming business. Have you done your homework asking your wife,relatives..."

"Stick to what you know best...sugarcane plantation."

And now you say "Because when you hit an obstacle like this "no stream no river or no to an equivalent water source support", it doesn't mean it will not work." Which is in direct contradiction to your previous answers and your tone. It also answers my very first question in my first post very clearly, but opposite of what you have said from then till now.

If you're going to apologise, then apologise, not give stupid excuses for your behaviour. I don't play games with people and I don't take well to people who do.

Have a great night with your whiskey.

Did you miss out the part where i said to do rental ponds (that have water source like a stream, river or an equivalent) if your land can't do it.

I didn't made some money, i made a lot of money.

Never mind...you are just too dumb to make this work. Stick to what you do best, being part of your problem.

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[Canada]

Actually you missed the point. But you prove mine. Call me dumb to my face. Hiding behind a keyboard with your bottle of whiskey....

[pigeonjake]

i never thought ide see the day when talk like this got into the farming section,,,,,,,,,

[RedBullHorn]

i never thought ide see the day when talk like this got into the farming section,,,,,,,,,

Could be due to the heat, 37°C... and people are desperate when they don't have enough money, bills are piling up, couldn't get money from their pledged rice since last year. Ran out of luck, didn't manage their money well enough, made expensive mistake that can't be undo... Attitude problem, trolling...etc etc.

All will be good once the lent starts and the rain comes.

[Canada]

Where I come from, we call things what they are. Shit is shit. Period. Farmers should understand this.

That'll be my last contribution to this.

[RedBullHorn]

Actually you missed the point. But you prove mine. Call me dumb to my face. Hiding behind a keyboard with your bottle of whiskey....

No i didn't. All the while your line of questioning are base on your own land using well/wells for operations. All my answers are directed at your land and concluded it is too risky and costly if you're going to rely only on you sub pump and well/wells on YOUR LAND.

Up until the part you got fed up, i presented in lighter tone "Another Solution not to do on YOUR LAND" which is to do rental ponds with water support. Also your line of questioning kept on emphasizing for a solution to make the sub pump and well/wells idea work. You didn't take it well when i suggested the necessary component of a water reserve pond. You were hoping that i would support that method of operation. Following up i requested that you make enquiries in regards your market size and to do some recon work finding the people with direct involvement to see if it feasible in your area... Only upon assessment on your information only then i can decide if it is worth while to do on rental pond.

Otherwise, i would feel that you are trolling like some past poster.

Hope i clear this up good enough.

As for calling you dumb, this i apologize. I'm drinking and light headed most of the time, it affects my writing style and projected tone, but no i don't have a arrogant character.

Maybe we got off on the wrong foot... Shall we try again ?

[Canada]

Don't insult me with a "recap" of what happened. I can read, and I know what happened.

I told you several times that i have no running water anywhere near me. In fact, the nearest running water is 20 kms from my home.I emphasised that all I had was well water and wanted a straight, simple answer to the feasibility of working with only that. You finally did give me the answer, which was "no, it will not work", which then leads to end of thinking about that project. No need to further dig for more information bout suppliers, wholesale buyers, market research, feed, transportation, etc....waste of frickin time to do all that on something that may not even be physically possible.

As far as getting off on the wrong foot. Not me man. You. And no, we don't need to start again. Don't insult me further with alcohol based excuses and lame apologies.

Enjoy your whiskey. You must be a real treat to be around in person.

[RedBullHorn]

Thank you for your reply and i wish you well. Have a good evening.

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[leo202]

Me red bullhorn, been reading about your catfish farm for a few years now. Interesting. I'm small scale at the moment but doing ok with big oui. I've just started using Thai visa. Don't want any tips about fish farming but can u give me some on thaivisa?

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[RedBullHorn]

Me red bullhorn, been reading about your catfish farm for a few years now. Interesting. I'm small scale at the moment but doing ok with big oui. I've just started using Thai visa. Don't want any tips about fish farming but can u give me some on thaivisa?

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Sorry, come again ?

I'm kind of confuse here...

What is it that you like to know about Thaivisa ?

[leo202]

Sorry redbullhorn, I sent that last night, I had a few too many. Forget about that. I only have my phone for the internet I was drunk and wanted to ask you a few questions about the fish. I've sussed it out now, thanks.

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[RedBullHorn]

Hope that my PM helps...

Let me know...

Edited June 7, 2014 by RedBullHorn

[leo202]

Calm down mr Canada,

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[Dancealot]

I'm enjoying and learning because of this thread.

Canada&RBH: I know you are both OK . I read in this thread that while advicing and helping eachother some crucial details could be missed. This is normal.

Please take note interested and caring people are reading this and are aware of any misinterpretations/misunderstandings that could have been evolved from your prior discussion.

I would just like to share this.

[abdul wahab]

Dear RBH,

I am wahab from Pakistan and i am new to this forum. I have read about your cat fish operation and learnt quit a lot from it. In my country people are mostly growing Indian and Chinese carp i.e. Labeo Rohita, Big head, silver and grass crap. i did not a single farm with cat fish. Now i am interested to start cat fish farming but unfortunately there is no fingerlings available here. I was thinking if you could send me fingerlings of your Hybrid cat fish for a price. Is it possible to buy from you, if yes, then we can discuss more about this, Waiting for your Reply.