More Rallies 'as Soon As Decree Ends'

[animatic]

Can you give some examples of this? I know it happens often in the US. But the executive and legislative branches are tied much more closely together in Europe.

In the US they use the "party whip" and "pork barrels", to get people to vote in line with the party. In Thailand, they actually had a law requiring MP's to vote along party line?

France the last 15 years and Itally the last 25.

[Thai at Heart]

Can you give some examples of this? I know it happens often in the US. But the executive and legislative branches are tied much more closely together in Europe.

In the US they use the "party whip" and "pork barrels", to get people to vote in line with the party. In Thailand, they actually had a law requiring MP's to vote along party line?

France the last 15 years and Itally the last 25.

So please explain how a proposed law gets passed or defeated? I am genuinely curious.

Is this from the point of view, that not being able to pass a given piece of legislation doesn't necessarily force a vote of no confidence against a coalition government? So effectively, a coalition exists, but each coalition party member votes with it's conscience instead of following the majority party of the coalition?

Edited May 6, 2009 by Thai at Heart

[chrislarsson]

Can you give some examples of this? I know it happens often in the US. But the executive and legislative branches are tied much more closely together in Europe.

In the US they use the "party whip" and "pork barrels", to get people to vote in line with the party. In Thailand, they actually had a law requiring MP's to vote along party line?

France the last 15 years and Itally the last 25.

So please explain how a proposed law gets passed or defeated? I am genuinely curious.

Is this from the point of view, that not being able to pass a given piece of legislation doesn't necessarily force a vote of no confidence against a coalition government? So effectively, a coalition exists, but each coalition party member votes with it's conscience instead of following the majority party of the coalition?

It could be true for Italy...cause their governments never seems to be able to survive a full term.

I think the law referred to regarding the MP's is that now they are allowed to switch party at any time. Before they had to belong to a political party at least 90 days before the registration date of the election.

[sriracha john]

'Rats' waiting to jump Thaksin's sinking ship

110 MPs said to want to join new party after Thaksin/reds' debacle

The trouble within the party forced Thaksin to turn to his ex-wife Pojaman Damapong, another source said.

Pojaman reportedly asked MP Chaiya Sasomsap to help unify the MPs and make peace with some senior figures in the Democrat-led government under the guise of bringing about reconciliation.

Former Public Health Minister injured in road accident

Nakhon Pathom - Former Public Health Minister Chaiya Sasomsup was injured in a road accident here Wednesday evening and admitted to the intensive care unit of the Sanam Chan Hospital.

Police said the accident occurred at 1:30 pm on the inbound Phetkasem Road in front of the Sathien Temple.

His car's rear was hit by a ten-wheel truck, causing him to be injured.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/'>

Chaiya Sasomsup

Chaiya was removed from his position as Public Health Minister in the Samak administration:

He was disqualified as Public Health Minister just last month after failing to meet a deadline to declare his wife's assets to the National Counter Corruption Commission.

Aug. 4, 2008

He was subsequently brought back into the Cabinet during the Somchai administration as Commerce Minister.

Edited May 7, 2009 by sriracha john

[Plus]

When he was indicted by NCCC there was a public pressure on him to resign. Chaya came up with a "compromise" - he resigns but his Health Minister portfolio must go to his brother.

And now reds think it's the bureaucrats who are screwing the country, not elected <deleted> like Chaya, who sitll has considerable weight in his party.

[LawnGnome]

Hope he gets better, so he can face trial with the rest of that joke PPP cabinet, and go to prison.

[hammered]

When he was indicted by NCCC there was a public pressure on him to resign. Chaya came up with a "compromise" - he resigns but his Health Minister portfolio must go to his brother.

And now reds think it's the bureaucrats who are screwing the country, not elected <deleted> like Chaya, who sitll has considerable weight in his party.

He was a bankroller so he had to be accomodated. Wonder if he still is

[Plus]

I think Chaya has his own faction, or at least MPs under his control. He's a big man in Nakhon Phanom.

[sriracha john]

When he was indicted by NCCC there was a public pressure on him to resign. Chaya came up with a "compromise" - he resigns but his Health Minister portfolio must go to his brother.

And now reds think it's the bureaucrats who are screwing the country, not elected <deleted> like Chaya, who sitll has considerable weight in his party.

He was a bankroller so he had to be accomodated. Wonder if he still is

Pokemon thinks so...

The trouble within the party forced Thaksin to turn to his ex-wife Pojaman Damapong, another source said.

Pojaman reportedly asked MP Chaiya Sasomsap to help unify the MPs and make peace with some senior figures in the Democrat-led government under the guise of bringing about reconciliation.

[Ricardo]

Can you give some examples of this? I know it happens often in the US. But the executive and legislative branches are tied much more closely together in Europe.

In the US they use the "party whip" and "pork barrels", to get people to vote in line with the party. In Thailand, they actually had a law requiring MP's to vote along party line?

apparently so... they did... unbelievable as it may seem by international standards, but somehow... not so surprising in LOS...

It all came out in the last censure debate when an opportunity to finally use it came up and the resulting effect was immediate as numerous PTP MP's did NOT vote their party's line. It's this sort of basic independence that is necessary and it's the sort of thing the leaders of PTP and their square-headed leader wish to amend.

It would be an offence against 'true democracy', for MPs to actually be free to vote, as their conscience dictates !

Of course an MP who votes regularly against his party's policies might find it harder, to be reselected to stand for the party at the next election, or to gather votes from the electorate. Especially if they cut them off from the finance for vote-buying, or from the government pork-barrel, for projects in their hometown.

And that is the discipline, which prevents an MP from voting against his party-line, too often.

But 'true democracy' requires MPs to shut up, and always do as they're told, so this modern idea of 'voting-freedom' was clearly undemocratic, which is why Thaksin wants to go back to the good old ways. So much simpler for Dear Leader !

Edited May 8, 2009 by Ricardo

[hammered]

It would be an offence against 'true democracy', for MPs to actually be free to vote, as their conscience dictates !

Of course an MP who votes regularly against his party's policies might find it harder, to be reselected to stand for the party at the next election, or to gather votes from the electorate. Especially if they cut them off from the finance for vote-buying, or from the government pork-barrel, for projects in their hometown.

And that is the discipline, which prevents an MP from voting against his party-line, too often.

But 'true democracy' requires MPs to shut up, and always do as they're told, so this modern idea of 'voting-freedom' was clearly undemocratic, which is why Thaksin wants to go back to the good old ways. So much simpler for Dear Leader !

Actually Thaksin almost completely ignored parliament and issued cabinet edicts most of the time. Samak went one further and never even got parliament together for a whole session so to avoid any check and balance committee formation some of which would have ended up in opposition hands.

[Koo82]

Look at this guy in Bangkok. PAD and the blues are known for having slingshots, not the reds.

You mean to say this guy is attacking reds? He surely has lost his mind as I can count about a dozen red shirts BEHIND him. He's shooting in the wrong direction!

Did I say he is attacking the reds?

The picture shows that the reds are attacking people using the slingshot. But the guy doesn't look like a red to me. He looks like the yellows and the blues went mixing to make the reds look bad. People misunderstood that any violence that day was caused by the reds.

[Jingthing]

People misunderstood that any violence that day was caused by the reds.

Belonging to a violent, desperate, failed movement is hurtful for you, isn't it? May I suggest a good massage?

[HagenvonTronje]

...Samak went one further and never even got parliament together for a whole session so to avoid any check and balance committee formation some of which would have ended up in opposition hands.

myths 'n' mucus, the short 2 liner version.

Censure motion against PM and Foreign Minister:

June 27, 2008 - PM Samak: 280 votes of confidence, 162 votes of no-confidence.; Foreign Minister Noppadon: 278 votes of confidence, 162 votes of no-confidence

March 21, 2009 - PM Abhisit: 246 votes of confidence, 176 votes of no-confidence; Foreign Minister Kasit: 237 votes of confidence, 184 votes of no-confidence

[hammered]

People misunderstood that any violence that day was caused by the reds.

Belonging to a violent, desperate, failed movement is hurtful for you, isn't it? May I suggest a good massage?

The level of denial is incredible. The red movement became so theologically faith based in approach that when the converted saw the violence live on TV it was like a christian finding out god didnt exist or something.

Even some red leaders and ex-TRT have now admitted the mopvement was violent although with the attempt to make people not believe what they saw with their own eyes live on TV and even as reported by international media and denounced by the US government some are really going for a new standard in propoganda and total belief that would impress the likes of Karl Rove and Dr. Goebbels.

Most people dont misunderstand that day. They know the reds casued the violence and that includes quite a few red sympathisers you can talk to about it even if some think there was provocation. The reality is the leaders mostly lost control with a few other leaders being into a bit of aggro and they got well fired up when Thaksin called for a revolution and then said he would be there to lead it and called on the 111 not to be shy and bring their supporters to BKK, which they mostly didnt but the momentum towards a tad of anarchy was there. It is quite easy to see really especially if you have ever been in large protests where speakers whip up a frenzy and try to instill a bit of hatred. Standarddemo operating procedure really. Then it just comes down to do the more peaceable leaders keep control or does it kick off. When it goes off the authorites react.

[Koo82]

The protesters marched to the front of Government House from the Equestrian Statue of King Rama V on Wednesday morning, calling on the government to stop blocking the satellite-based DTV station and pro-Thaksin community radio stations.

Some photos of the red meeting on 6th May:

[Jingthing]

Your flame removed.

Edited May 8, 2009 by LivinginKata
Flaming removed

[Koo82]

The trashing of the prime minister’s bullet-proof car at the Ministry of the Interior during the Bangkok protests last month was carried out by soldiers wearing red shirts, according to UDD leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva’s statement he was in the vehicle with Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban when it came under attack by protestors was a lie, Mr Jatuporn said.

Only the driver was in the car at the time, said Mr Jatuporn, a leading member of the anti-government United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).

He said the government was trying to send out false information. More than half of those who assaulted the car were soldiers who had donned red shirts, he said. Red shirts are worn by UDD supporters.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...istry-chatuporn

[Koo82]

Published: 6/05/2009 at 01:51 PM The Puea Thai party on Wednesday submitted evidence to the Election Commission (EC) it claims will lead to the dissolution of the ruling Democrat party.

Spokesman Prompong Nopparit handed a video clip over the EC.

He claimed it proves Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva approached banned politicians like Newin Chidchob and former Chart Thai party leader Banharn Silpa-archa and asked they help him form a government.

This, he said, was a violation of the constitution.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...gainst-democrat

[Koo82]

Let's see if they'll do anything to Democrat. This is the only party which can never be dissolved no matter what they did. Double standard is what makes the reds come out to protest.

On this 10th May, the reds will meet at Wat Phai Keaw near Don Muang. They say they'll show evidence that Abhisit were not at Ministry of Interior Affairs as per the above news.

[LawnGnome]

Let's see if they'll do anything to Democrat. This is the only party which can never be dissolved no matter what they did. Double standard is what makes the reds come out to protest.

On this 10th May, the reds will meet at Wat Phai Keaw near Don Muang. They say they'll show evidence that Abhisit were not at Ministry of Interior Affairs as per the above news.

Oh Koo, you poor misguided person. You really want Thaksin back? Perhaps you need to remember that old Chinese proverb. Beware what you wish for, you may get it.

Fortunately, you can wish all you want. Thaksin is never coming back. The Red Shirt movement has become irrelevant, and you and your friends helped Abhisit ensure his political future for a long time to come. So, for myself, I would like to express my gratitude!

You ever notice, Koo, how no one ever reports on this "evidence" except the reds? Thats because its all bullsh*t.

[Ricardo]

Let's see if they'll do anything to Democrat. This is the only party which can never be dissolved no matter what they did. Double standard is what makes the reds come out to protest.

On the contrary, many other parties were also not dissolved, the few who were had deliberately chosen to break the electoral-rules, and paid the price. Good for the E.C., sticking-up for democracy, and fighting electoral-corruption as is their job. Don't you support that, as a believer in true democracy, and justice ?

The PTP seem to, since they're now taking allegations to the E.C., the correct way to do things, perhaps they are capable of learning where TRT & PPP failed to. That would be progress if it were so.

And don't forget that individual Democrat MPs did get red/yellow-cards from the E.C., in the December-2007 election, so your claim of double-standards fails on that basis too.

[chrislarsson]

Let's see if they'll do anything to Democrat. This is the only party which can never be dissolved no matter what they did. Double standard is what makes the reds come out to protest.

On this 10th May, the reds will meet at Wat Phai Keaw near Don Muang. They say they'll show evidence that Abhisit were not at Ministry of Interior Affairs as per the above news.

Oh Koo, you poor misguided person. You really want Thaksin back? Perhaps you need to remember that old Chinese proverb. Beware what you wish for, you may get it.

Fortunately, you can wish all you want. Thaksin is never coming back. The Red Shirt movement has become irrelevant, and you and your friends helped Abhisit ensure his political future for a long time to come. So, for myself, I would like to express my gratitude!

You ever notice, Koo, how no one ever reports on this "evidence" except the reds? Thats because its all bullsh*t.

AT least Koo82 is writing civilized postings, and not arguing his case by throwing insults at people who believe differently.

Why exactly do you think that you know everything? When asked about details neither you or your like-minded friends are able to answer even one question.

[Koo82]

The red meeting at Lop Buri is on from 16:00 today. They closed many websites. The reds have created more websites with different dot instead of dot org

[sriracha john]

Before 2000 elections Thaksin was gloating on TV how he smartly invested in Alpine Golf resort, buying it off Snoh.

Later it was discovered that the land on which it was built was donated to the temple by a dying woman, eventually it ended in Thaksin's hands.

Later it was discovered that it wasn't in Thaksin's hands at all - it was in his maid and driver's names.

Later it was discovered that Thaksin had no idea that for politicians hiding his assets through proxies was illegal, and he cried about honest mistake.

That did it for me.

additional info:

Illegal sale of Buddhist temple property

2 February 2001 - Pathum Thani

The Council of State ruled that Maha Mongkut Ratchavithayalai Foundation illegally sold 'religious land' to Alpine Golf Course, which then sold it to SC Asset, a company linked to Thaksin Shinawatra, who LED the Thai Rak Thai party. Earlier, the 924 rai in Pathum Thani was donated to Wat Dhammakaya by Noem Chamnanchartsakda who died in 1971. In 1990, Sanoh Thienthong, who oversaw the Land Department, allowed the wat's abbot to give the land to the foundation. Sanoh denied any wrongdoing, but Thaksin's wife, Pojaman, was a major SC Asset shareholder. In August, the Land Department agreed the land could not be sold.

and now today....

Banned politicians party at golf club

Banned executives of two disbanded political parties got together on Monday at the Alpine Golf Club in Pathum Thani amid denials by some of them that they are seeking an opportunity to discuss politics.

111 of banned Thai Rak Thai Party executives and 37 banned People Power Party executives will compete in a game of golf to vie for a trophy from ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra plus a golf ball and a necktie with his signature.

Pheu Thai Party Party list MP Surachai Baochanya said the party had nothing to do with politics. "We think we should get together to have fun since Parliament almost closes its session."

-- The Nation 2009-05-11

[Koo82]

I watch the red meetings via newly created websites after the old ones were blocked by Abhisit's people.

On this 10th May, the reds met at Wat Phai Kiew near Don Muang. At the same time, the reds in the North had meetings too.

Photos at Wat Phai Kiew:

The stage background reads

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