Ubuntu 9.04 Is Out

[Richard-BKK]

Hi RichB2004,

You use Ubuntu 9.04 for a few weeks? This must be a Beta or Release Candidate as the official version is released on 23 April (3 days ago)

[Richb2004v2]

Hi RichB2004,

You use Ubuntu 9.04 for a few weeks? This must be a Beta or Release Candidate as the official version is released on 23 April (3 days ago)

It is the beta. I've been using it for a little over two weeks now. I don't know if I need to make any changes now thats it's officially released, but I'm not at home and don't have a good connection to start downloading things. Hopefully when I get home it will update without any problems.

[Ben10]

There is a slight bug in 9.04 concerning embedded videos in websites.

If you cannot view embedded videos you will be looking at a grey box or the first frame of the video only.

To fix this issue is quite simple:

First, run this command from the terminal and enter your password:

sudo apt-get remove swfdec-mozilla

Then install Flash Player direct from Adobe, not with the plugin finder in Firefox! You can find the download at get.adobe.com and select the .deb installer.

Click Install.

Restart Firefox!

Embedded video should work now

[Richard-BKK]

The swfdec-mozilla package is a open-source project, and it is compatible to some level with Adobe Flash.

Selecting from the synaptic list the Flash player that starts with Adobe, I need to say that I also have the mediubuntu repo's included

[Richard-BKK]

The swfdec-mozilla package is a open-source project, and it is compatible to some level with Adobe Flash.

Selecting from the synaptic list the Flash player that starts with Adobe, I need to say that I also have the mediubuntu repo's included

For the people who say pictures speak louder then words....

[joncl]

I do like this distro as a client (not as a server with their server image), I now have OSX, WinXP and WIN 7 all running in VM, you have to love it.

It does not like split screens though, as on my DELL 17" flat screen it will not give me more than 1024x768 where the notebook happy works in 1280x720, but that may well be down to my onboard vga card in the Asus notebook.

[Richard-BKK]

What resolution do you run Mac OSX, I had it once installed on a 17" running 1158x854 (or something close) and OSX would do 1024x768 or 800x600, with the latest being to small to do anything. Now with a 22" I not have a problem to have a 1024x768 vmware window open. Are you running 10.5.XX or 10.4.XX?

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi there

I am still using (and will stick to itr until the next LTS release) Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron on my main computer which is tricked out, souped up and customized to my liking.

However i have a second computer for a reason - to test stuff. And 9.04 is on that one. And i, too, am impressed!!

I didn't even need to install a restricted driver - the ATI graphics card in that one worked right after install, all desktop effects could be enabled and works flawless. The thing shuts down in SIX seconds flat! And same experience here regarding USB peripherals - i, too, am using one of those 120 Baht USB-Bluetooth sticks which works without installing anything.

I would like to give OSX a spin, too, in a VM - how much disk space will it need to install..?

Kind regards....

Thanh

[Richard-BKK]

He Thanh,

To much details on how-to install OSX is a bit illegal so we cannot talk about that too much. But I once did a test run with OSX on only 8gb, what was basically the default for VMware. With one hand holding a beer and the eyes on a cheesy Pizza I had a bit to little eye for what happened on the screen so I installed OSX on 8gb, which worked fine. The problems start when you try to install the usual big programs....

[Tywais]

To much details on how-to install OSX is a bit illegal so we cannot talk about that too much.

Richard is correct. The Apple EULA specifically states that OSX can only be installed on Apple branded computers. So let's keep the discussion off this unless you have a Mac and wish to experiment with dual booting OSX and Ubuntu.

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi

Thank you for the information - i would not do it anyway - that is too much space required. However Apple (this is off topic) should allow use of their OS, provided it was bought legally, for other machines. I for one would NEVER buy something as expensive as a Mac only to have the advantages of OSX without previously being able to test said OS. Playing around on a demonstrator at an Apple shop does not quite equal that, no real testing possible. Eye candy isn't everything

But a question the other way 'round - i have one friend who bought himself a Mac notebook, not sure what model exactly, but rather new. And he for the life of it can't figure out how to use it, he asked my help but i have no knowledge either. I figured he might be able to get 'round Linux as it is closer to Windows (from the look and feel) than Mac OS, so i was thinking of putting Kubuntu on it for him. That should normally work without problems? I mean using Kubuntu as sole OS on that machine. Or does Apple have their thumbs on that, too.... "our computers may only be used with Mac OS"..?

Kind regards.....

Thanh

[Tywais]

However Apple (this is off topic) should allow use of their OS, provided it was bought legally, for other machines.

You're not the only one. When I was looking at this issue some time ago I found members of other forums (not just Apple forums) felt the same as you.

That should normally work without problems? I mean using Kubuntu as sole OS on that machine. Or does Apple have their thumbs on that, too.... "our computers may only be used with Mac OS"..?

From what I've seen/read, that won't be an issue. The license is for the software not the hardware.

[dave_boo]

Hi

Thank you for the information - i would not do it anyway - that is too much space required. However Apple (this is off topic) should allow use of their OS, provided it was bought legally, for other machines. I for one would NEVER buy something as expensive as a Mac only to have the advantages of OSX without previously being able to test said OS. Playing around on a demonstrator at an Apple shop does not quite equal that, no real testing possible. Eye candy isn't everything

But a question the other way 'round - i have one friend who bought himself a Mac notebook, not sure what model exactly, but rather new. And he for the life of it can't figure out how to use it, he asked my help but i have no knowledge either. I figured he might be able to get 'round Linux as it is closer to Windows (from the look and feel) than Mac OS, so i was thinking of putting Kubuntu on it for him. That should normally work without problems? I mean using Kubuntu as sole OS on that machine. Or does Apple have their thumbs on that, too.... "our computers may only be used with Mac OS"..?

Kind regards.....

Thanh

Considering they released boot camp to run Windows it shouldn't be a big deal to run a Linux distro on it either.

[joncl]

What resolution do you run Mac OSX, Are you running 10.5.XX or 10.4.XX?

1024x768 on 10.4.xx in 5gb

[Richard-BKK]

He Thanh,

My g/f has a older, 1.5 year old, powerbook, which she changed to Ubuntu linux. She is still happy

[jackdanielsesq]

I have tried to run it for about a week - its really just more of the same - its unusable as a primary O/S

Now its hobbled by 4.2.2 which is worse than M$ Virus.

I also tried to use the newish ext4 FS - that caused it to crash before the first install completed.

I went with RFSv3, which was OK.

If ya want a decent O/S try MDV Spring or PCLOS 2009

BR>Jack

[wimpy]

I gave it a try, but couldn't resolve some networking issues. Back on 8.10 which works just great for me.

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi

@Jack

How come it is "unusable as primary OS"..? I have been using it as primary OS since over a year already, no screw-ups, no crashes, no funny behaviour.... granted, mine is 8.04 but as you said "just more of the same"....

But for me, i could never get PCLOS (2008) to run the way it was supposed to... all downloaded versions didn't even install (downloads checked and all!) and a CD bought from "GetOnCD" or something like that installed, but it acted up at every possible opportunity..... which is why i went for Ubuntu (to replace Vista no less!)

Maybe it's just my specific hardware that is particularly well supported by one, yet not the other distro......

Kind regards....

Thanh

[Richard-BKK]

He Thanh,

Most Linux users now-a-day, look for a MS Windows replacement, this is the first group, which find Linux to restrictive. The restrictiveness is what I call freedom, I never had in my 10 year use one problem with a Worm, Virus or hack, (now I have to be honest I had a virus in Crossover Office once, which is a Windows emulator).

With Linux you need to read between the lines, I also was tempted by using EXT4 file system, it is superior to all we know in computerize file systems we know today, but 99% of a file system utilities are not yet up to date. So when you have a problem you on your own, I not take the chance, I did look and experienced a performance in file-system handling, EXT4 would be the world fastest file-system, and surely the safest is all tools where available. And not forget that it took the developers in the MS Windows circle almost 1 year to develop tools for NTFS, I will say everything on tools in the Linux world available in 6 months.

[dave_boo]

He Thanh,

Most Linux users now-a-day, look for a MS Windows replacement, this is the first group, which find Linux to restrictive. The restrictiveness is what I call freedom, I never had in my 10 year use one problem with a Worm, Virus or hack, (now I have to be honest I had a virus in Crossover Office once, which is a Windows emulator).

With Linux you need to read between the lines, I also was tempted by using EXT4 file system, it is superior to all we know in computerize file systems we know today, but 99% of a file system utilities are not yet up to date. So when you have a problem you on your own, I not take the chance, I did look and experienced a performance in file-system handling, EXT4 would be the world fastest file-system, and surely the safest is all tools where available. And not forget that it took the developers in the MS Windows circle almost 1 year to develop tools for NTFS, I will say everything on tools in the Linux world available in 6 months.

There's a bunch of new filesystems in the works. I'm hoping that ZFS gets moved out of userland and into the kernel; the performance is to die for...especially on hot and heavy loads. I personally still use ReiserFS since it has been good to me over the years and it's fairly quick on small file loads (at the expense of mount and unmount times).

Oh and I've had a kernel panic way back in 1999....otherwise it's been blissful predictable constant uptime with minimal slowdown.

And I believe that jackdanielsesq was referring to Ubuntu's 4.2.2 KDE offering. Don't know why he can't change the session to a lightweight window manager and just grab the gnome packages.

[Thanh-BKK]

Oh!

That reminds me of something - i've asked that at the Ubuntu forum but never got a reply. I have Gnome/KDE combos on both machines, my production machine and the experimental one. On the experimental one is the 9.04 Jaunty, and it's KDE is so vastly different from the one on 8.04!

Is there a way i can get that beautiful KDE from Jaunty ported over to my Hardy..? If i understand correctly it's a newer version.... but via Synaptic i can't seem to get that one..?

I am using Gnome 99.9% of the time anyway but i like to impress friends with the fact that Linux (Ubuntu here) can change it's looks so radically as if it were different OS's altogether Plus there's some seriously good applications for KDE..... which run under Gnome just as well. K3B being one.

Oh, and.. err... any chance to have Jaunty's boot splash under Hardy? I tried the manual way but doesn't work.... i like that one too, but want to keep the main machine on Hardy until the next LTS is out, i don't like dist-upgrade so often. System works flawlessly, shouldn't change it. But the eye candy....... sweeeeeeet.

Kind regards......

Thanh

[dave_boo]

Oh!

That reminds me of something - i've asked that at the Ubuntu forum but never got a reply. I have Gnome/KDE combos on both machines, my production machine and the experimental one. On the experimental one is the 9.04 Jaunty, and it's KDE is so vastly different from the one on 8.04!

Is there a way i can get that beautiful KDE from Jaunty ported over to my Hardy..? If i understand correctly it's a newer version.... but via Synaptic i can't seem to get that one..?

I am using Gnome 99.9% of the time anyway but i like to impress friends with the fact that Linux (Ubuntu here) can change it's looks so radically as if it were different OS's altogether Plus there's some seriously good applications for KDE..... which run under Gnome just as well. K3B being one.

Oh, and.. err... any chance to have Jaunty's boot splash under Hardy? I tried the manual way but doesn't work.... i like that one too, but want to keep the main machine on Hardy until the next LTS is out, i don't like dist-upgrade so often. System works flawlessly, shouldn't change it. But the eye candy....... sweeeeeeet.

Kind regards......

Thanh

I've already converted two of my co-workers over; one's an old fart who wouldn't have known the difference between Windows and Linux anyways, one is a Nepali the same age as I, and the other is a Weapons Specialist (he basically breaks down, cleans, and repairs small arms for the military). Compiz Fusion was what is won over the old timer and the last guy; the no more viruses won over the Nepali.

Check out this thread; but know that you don't have to uninstall KDE 3.x to also have KDE 4.x. In fact I was rather frustrated with KDE 4.0 that shipped on SuSE 11.0 and have sworn it off until the 4.3 release, regardless of the reviews that 4.2 is getting. SuSE allows you to switch back and forth.

And you know that you don't have to even reboot for a demonstration of the different styles? Easiest way is to create a couple of extra different users and then lock your session, landing you back at the log-in and choose a different user and window manager.

Can't tell you about the splash, will look at my 8.10 install tonight and hopefully be able to write up how I did it, cause I poked around and changed mine. Oh, and you'll owe me for breaking my uptime in SuSE!

[Richard-BKK]

He Dave,

I never hear of the ZFS file-system before, the benchmarking looks impressive.

[dave_boo]

He Dave,

I never hear of the ZFS file-system before, the benchmarking looks impressive.

The problem with it is the liscense. It can't be integrated into the Linux kernel, so it's ran in FUSE a la NTFS.

This has an affect on performance. Granted it's not much; but it's there. Eventually the performance in FUSE will get really good; similar to the way NTFS isn't that much slower than running it on a Windows platform.

In the meantime if you want native support you have to run either Open Solaris or Nexenta. Nexenta is really cool because it uses the GNU toolset but a Solaris kernel (i.e. it's Linux with an Open Solaris kernel).

Meanwhile there's a Btrfs that's being developed as a native "ZFS version" for Linux. However it's very much beta. Eventually it will be ready, but if ZFS is released under the GPL it might be an evolutionary dead end.

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi

I have gotten a KDE 4.03 now, however that's still not the same as in Jaunty... plus it appears to be somewhat buggy. I haven't found a way to get the newer one yet :..(

Today i put Jaunty on one of my office workstations, a very crappy stone-age Compaq Deskpro with Celeron 800, 256 MB RAM and an on-board 1 MB (!!) graphic card.

Jaunty runs fine Although somewhat slow, i'll try the XFCE desktop tomorrow.

Kind regards.....

Thanh

[dave_boo]

Hi

I have gotten a KDE 4.03 now, however that's still not the same as in Jaunty... plus it appears to be somewhat buggy. I haven't found a way to get the newer one yet :..(

Today i put Jaunty on one of my office workstations, a very crappy stone-age Compaq Deskpro with Celeron 800, 256 MB RAM and an on-board 1 MB (!!) graphic card.

Jaunty runs fine Although somewhat slow, i'll try the XFCE desktop tomorrow.

Kind regards.....

Thanh

Apparently there's a bunch of ways to install 4.2. Here's one way I found out:

sudo bash
echo 'deb [url="http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/"]http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/[/url] hardy main' >>/etc/apt/sources.list
exit

This adds the ppa repositories to your package manager.

Then update all your pacakges using synaptics and install any version of 4.x that's offered.

On your Deskpro install you may want the noatime option at boot. On that old of a disc, it would be madness to slow it down writing all of of those access times. Also look at the services that start up. Do you need CUPS (not if you're not printing)? Do you need Samba? ETC.

[Thanh-BKK]

Apparently there's a bunch of ways to install 4.2. Here's one way I found out:

sudo bash
echo 'deb [url="http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/"]http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/[/url] hardy main' >>/etc/apt/sources.list
exit

This adds the ppa repositories to your package manager.

dam_n!

This broke Synaptic, now it won't work anymore!! This is what i get:

E: Malformed line 48 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)

E: The list of sources could not be read.

Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.

E: _cache->open() failed, please report.

I guess after i got that working again somehow i just forget about KDE.

Thanh

[dave_boo]

Apparently there's a bunch of ways to install 4.2. Here's one way I found out:

sudo bash
echo 'deb [url="http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/"]http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-experimental/ubuntu/[/url] hardy main' >>/etc/apt/sources.list
exit

This adds the ppa repositories to your package manager.

dam_n!

This broke Synaptic, now it won't work anymore!! This is what i get:

E: Malformed line 48 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (URI parse)

E: The list of sources could not be read.

Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.

E: _cache->open() failed, please report.

I guess after i got that working again somehow i just forget about KDE.

Thanh

The good thing about Linux is that most all errors are recoverable. Your /etc/apt/sources simply needs to have the correct syntax in it. I found a post that describes similar problems; it looks like sometimes when you add repositories it adds in comments at the end of the line rather than starting a new line. I.E. if the line reads:

deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy restricted main multiverse universe #Added by software-properties

It shoud actually read like this:

deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy restricted main multiverse universe 
#Added by software-properties

Note that there's an 'enter' after the http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy restricted main multiverse universe.

Now you could go ahead and either delete the '#' and everything that follows it or simply go to the left so it looks like this:

|#Added by...

(where | is your cursor) and hit enter.

Want to do that? Use this command:

sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list

Save it and you should have Synaptics working again. At least hopefully, I'm a SuSE guy remember!

**edit**

I'm a twit; it may not be the comments, but rather the fact that when I posted the repository it used the php style links! So you're probably going to have to edit out the

[url="http://.."]

and the

[/url]

. tags. But it's the same as editing for the comments otherwise.

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi

Sorry for the delayed reply. As Google is truly a good friend i managed to fix that repository list and got Synaptic to work again. However that one oparticular repository just does not want to come into my system.... now i get this:

GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net hardy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60487016493B3065GPG error: http://th.archive.ubuntu.com hardy-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <[email protected]>Failed to fetch http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ha...86/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch

Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.I tried a whole bunch of different servers but always get the same. Which means updates come in "not authorized" and i won't install such. Anyway, maybe at some stage someone will find a way to port KDE 4.2 to Hardy... i'll wait

Kind regards.....

Thanh

[Richard-BKK]

He Thanh,

Do you want me to send me a Ubuntu CD 9.04, if you want I can even find a Kubuntu 9.04 for you...

Personal I never found the connection with KDE, not sure where its dislike comes from... I use on daily base several KDE packages, which run fine in Gnome...