Help! Emergency : My Dog's Life On The Line!

[Thaiboxer1]

Help guys! EMERGENCY!

I brought my 11yr old Rottweiler into Thailand 3 wks ago. 3 days ago, I brought him to the local vet on Naklua for health checkup and treatment for his hip arthritis. The doctor ran a full blood check up on kidney/liver function to assess if Rimadyl could be used.

Blood results came back good and we started him on Rimadyl for 1 day. The very next morning, after having his 3rd 100 mg dose, about a cpl hrs. later he went into a short seizure and lost control of his bladder. I searched on the net and found that a small percentage can have toxicity side effects of Rimadyl and have seizures and loss of appetite like my dog was having.

Rushed him to vet and we immediatlely ran intraveneous fluids to flush out toxins. He seemed better after that long day and I took him home.

Then this morning he started having another seizure and could not walk..walking was uncoordinated and he would sway back and forth like a drunk and he fell down into another seizure. Rushed back to vet today and IV dripped all day. Dog also ran a fever and was given Novacigan to remedy. Fever went away and new blood test was done. White blood cell count dropped drastically..under 5000 which was almost half of healthy dog. Vet said could also be blood parasites because of low blood cell count and fever. But we were still confused if it was the Rimadyl (as this was 1st ever time taking) or blood parasite.

After IV drip, I brought him back home, but his back legs were completely paralyzed. Then I did more research on net and it occured to me that I had found a tick on his neck about 5 days ago. Big and white in color and I scissored it off and didn't think anything about it which turns out to be the blood parasite the vet was mentioning. After all...he was about to go into vet to get tick protection medication.

After research, I am almost convinced now that it was improper diagnosis, and true culprit is tick paralysis. I immediately called back the vet and rushed over to pick her up back to my place to administer Tetracycline solution tick antiserum.

My dog is resting right now and his back hips still paralyzed. Vet just called me again to ask how dog is doing. Great vet btw. She will come over tomorrow morning and give another dose of antiserum and check his condition. This has been a long day and will be a sleepless night monitoring his condition.

I've read that early detection and treatment is the only way to save his life. I just hope I caught it in time.

Any experience or advice from any of you guys who may have had similar problems??

And please, no "u shoulda left him back in your home country"!

Already tired, worn out and stressed enough,

Thaiboxer

[Shola]

One of our Poodle puppies has just had the same kind of thing.

Suddenly she couldn't walk and whenever we picked her up or even touched her she would yelp.

The vet did a blood test and it was something called 'Zoonosis' from a blood worm plus infections from a tick. (lyme disease)

We took all the other dogs to the vet to be checked ( all 5 ) and they all had it! but wern't sick yet, Soooo it was about a months treatment with Doxycycline (Choc favoured in a syringe) and various other tablets for the liver etc..

Pleased to tell you the puppy was up and about about 2/3 days after starting treatment and none of the others developed symptoms, (Phew!)

But Ticks are really serious over here, theres just so many, you need to get 'Frontline spray' from your vet, it's the only stuff that works, forget tick and flea shampoo!

Hope your dog gets better soon!

[BIG SPUDS]

sorry to hear about your dog mate!

Im not an expert nor am i in thailand at the moment, but a vet told a friend of mine a good way to get rid of ticks is to cover them in vaseline. I dont know for sure but isnt cutting them off dangerous?

[bina]

Leishmaniasis and Ehrlichia

Ehrlichiosis

Ehrlichiosis is caused by the rickettsial organism Ehrlichia canis. Other examples of rickettsial organisms are Riskettsia rickettsi, which causes Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and Ehrlichia risticii, which causes Potomac Fever in horses. These orgainisms tend to be carried by ticks and other insect vectors, in some cases. For ehrlichiosis, the most common vector is the brown dog tick. For this reason, ehrlichiosis occurs anywhere this tick occurs. At present, it has been reported in 34 states, with the northern states being spared in most instances. The southeastern and south central states are the most heavily affected. A few cases of Ehrlichia canis infection have been reported in people after tick bites.

Ehrlichia infection can cause a number of clinical signs. It can be extremely hard to diagnose due to the wide range of symptoms that can occur. Most dogs infected with this organism will have be lethargic, lose weight, show less interest in food and become anemic. Other possible clinical signs include hemorrhages under the skin or in around the gums, swollen lymph nodes, muscular or joint soreness, nasal discharges or nosebleeds, severe neck or back pain, blood in the urine and eye problems ranging from exudates to severe inflammation of the internal eye structures. Neurologic signs such as seizures and difficulty walking can occur. Respiratory or heart related signs can occur due to hemorrhaging and compensation for anemia if it becomes severe. Hemorrhaging occurs primarly due to decrease in platelet counts from the infection. While most dogs show a number of symptoms when first infected with Ehrlichia, there is also a chronic infection that can occur if the acute infection is not treated. In this case, the dog may appear to be normal or may show vague signs of illness occasionally. This is one cause of the complaint that "my dog just isn't doing right". The chronic illness can suddenly become very severe again if the dog is stressed in some manner or become less immune competent for some reason.

The best method of diagnosing this disease is through testing of serum from the dog using an immunofluorescent antibody (IFA) test. Unfortunately, a positive test only indicates exposure. Still, in the presence of clinical signs or if the titer rises after treatment or stays consistently high, infection is strongly implied by the lab results.

Ehrlichia canis is normally susceptible to treatment with tetracycline antibiotics, including doxycycline. In some situations the organism will not respond to these antibiotics or their use is contraindicated due to the young age of a dog or pregnancy. In this case, chloramphenicol can be used and there is anecdotal evidence of success using cephalosporin antibiotics. The bleeding tendencies in this disease are related to a drop in platelets (thrombocytopenia) so it can be necessary to use corticosteroids to treat this condition if the platelet counts are low. While this can be life saving, the use of corticosteroids should be discontinued as quickly as possible so that their immunosuppressive effect does not interfere with successful treatment. Extensive supportive care, including intravenous fluids, administration of blood products and hospitalization may be necessary to treat this problem in some dogs. The survival rate is good if the disease is recognized and treated aggressively.

Mike Richards, DVM

couldnt get nay of our vets here its friday nite and they have emergency only beepers so can only get help for you on sunday...

we had some dogs on the kibbutz get treated with blood transfusions etc...

[Shola]

sorry to hear about your dog mate!

Im not an expert nor am i in thailand at the moment, but a vet told a friend of mine a good way to get rid of ticks is to cover them in vaseline. I dont know for sure but isnt cutting them off dangerous?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah true and dont burn them off either (some people do).

You need to grab the tick as close to the dogs skin as poss and pull (Or use tweezers), so that the little pincers they use come out, if you cut them off your gonna leave part of them imbedded in the dog and they're full of bacteria so not good

[Thaiboxer1]

sorry to hear about your dog mate!

Im not an expert nor am i in thailand at the moment, but a vet told a friend of mine a good way to get rid of ticks is to cover them in vaseline. I dont know for sure but isnt cutting them off dangerous?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Yeah true and dont burn them off either (some people do).

You need to grab the tick as close to the dogs skin as poss and pull (Or use tweezers), so that the little pincers they use come out, if you cut them off your gonna leave part of them imbedded in the dog and they're full of bacteria so not good

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Yes, I found out the hard way...only later after I had used scissors to cut it off...the vet today found the pincers and removed it...

My dog is currently sleeping beside me and I keep checking to see if he is breathing ok...so far, so good..

keeping my fingers crossed and praying...

[Thaiboxer1]

One of our Poodle puppies has just had the same kind of thing.

Suddenly she couldn't walk and whenever we picked her up or even touched her she would yelp.

The vet did a blood test and it was something called 'Zoonosis' from a blood worm plus infections from a tick. (lyme disease)

We took all the other dogs to the vet to be checked ( all 5 ) and they all had it! but wern't sick yet, Soooo it was about a months treatment with Doxycycline (Choc favoured in a syringe) and various other tablets for the liver etc..

Pleased to tell you the puppy was up and about about 2/3 days after starting treatment and none of the others developed symptoms, (Phew!)

But Ticks are really serious over here, theres just so many, you need to get 'Frontline spray' from your vet, it's the only stuff that works, forget tick and flea shampoo!

Hope your dog gets better soon!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thank you for your concern and good information. I have printed this out and will show vet tomorrow.

Vet advised me that there are 3 types of ticks over here :

Hepatazoon

Eholichia canis

Babesia

The last 2 are what she thinks bit my dog as they affect the white blood cell count.

Sounds to me that your poodle's zoonosis was from the first tick "Hepatazoon".

Very reassuring to hear that your dog's are recovering.

[Thaiboxer1]

Leishmaniasis and Ehrlichia

Ehrlichiosis

Ehrlichiosis is caused by the rickettsial organism Ehrlichia canis. Other examples of rickettsial organisms are Riskettsia rickettsi, which causes Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever and Ehrlichia risticii, which causes Potomac Fever in horses. These orgainisms tend to be carried by ticks and other insect vectors, in some cases. For ehrlichiosis, the most common vector is the brown dog tick. For this reason, ehrlichiosis occurs anywhere this tick occurs. At present, it has been reported in 34 states, with the northern states being spared in most instances. The southeastern and south central states are the most heavily affected. A few cases of Ehrlichia canis infection have been reported in people after tick bites.

Ehrlichia infection can cause a number of clinical signs. It can be extremely hard to diagnose due to the wide range of symptoms that can occur. Most dogs infected with this organism will have be lethargic, lose weight, show less interest in food and become anemic. Other possible clinical signs include hemorrhages under the skin or in around the gums, swollen lymph nodes, muscular or joint soreness, nasal discharges or nosebleeds, severe neck or back pain, blood in the urine and eye problems ranging from exudates to severe inflammation of the internal eye structures. Neurologic signs such as seizures and difficulty walking can occur. Respiratory or heart related signs can occur due to hemorrhaging and compensation for anemia if it becomes severe. Hemorrhaging occurs primarly due to decrease in platelet counts from the infection. While most dogs show a number of symptoms when first infected with Ehrlichia, there is also a chronic infection that can occur if the acute infection is not treated. In this case, the dog may appear to be normal or may show vague signs of illness occasionally. This is one cause of the complaint that "my dog just isn't doing right". The chronic illness can suddenly become very severe again if the dog is stressed in some manner or become less immune competent for some reason.

The best method of diagnosing this disease is through testing of serum from the dog using an immunofluorescent antibody (IFA) test. Unfortunately, a positive test only indicates exposure. Still, in the presence of clinical signs or if the titer rises after treatment or stays consistently high, infection is strongly implied by the lab results.

Ehrlichia canis is normally susceptible to treatment with tetracycline antibiotics, including doxycycline. In some situations the organism will not respond to these antibiotics or their use is contraindicated due to the young age of a dog or pregnancy. In this case, chloramphenicol can be used and there is anecdotal evidence of success using cephalosporin antibiotics. The bleeding tendencies in this disease are related to a drop in platelets (thrombocytopenia) so it can be necessary to use corticosteroids to treat this condition if the platelet counts are low. While this can be life saving, the use of corticosteroids should be discontinued as quickly as possible so that their immunosuppressive effect does not interfere with successful treatment. Extensive supportive care, including intravenous fluids, administration of blood products and hospitalization may be necessary to treat this problem in some dogs. The survival rate is good if the disease is recognized and treated aggressively.

Mike Richards, DVM

couldnt get nay of our vets here its friday nite and they have emergency only beepers so can only get help for you on sunday...

we had some dogs on the kibbutz get treated with blood transfusions etc...

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Thank you! This is great info...this is what my vet thinks is most likely the culprit! He's showing many of the same symptoms such as lethargy, loss of appetite, seizures, difficuty walking (paralysis of back hips), uncoordinated, loss of balance and I take it the decrease in platelet counts would mean his lowered white blood cell count. I will bring up w/the vet possible corticosteroid treatment if neccessary and prepare in case of needed administration of blood products.

He's already had 2 bags intravenous fluid drips (acetar-5) and one intramuscular injection of tetracycline with another injection due tomorrow morning.

Will wait to hear from your vet on Sunday...the more opinions the better...kind regards...

[Thaiboxer1]

sorry to hear about your dog mate!

Im not an expert nor am i in thailand at the moment, but a vet told a friend of mine a good way to get rid of ticks is to cover them in vaseline. I dont know for sure but isnt cutting them off dangerous?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Found this :

Remove attached ticks immediately. Removing a tick before it has been attached for more than 24 hours greatly reduces the risk of infection. Use tweezers, and grab as closely to the skin as possible. Do not try to remove ticks by squeezing them, coating them with petroleum jelly, or burning them with a match.

Thanks though for your input.

[Crazy Dave]

thaiboxer, i have a couple of rotties here, wot i do is put tick and flea powder where they sleep so they roll in it as they sleep, they are shampoed every week but that really isnt enough, but then again my rotties are house dogs as opposed to roaming in a garden day and nite, but they are taken out for walks twice per day and pick up fleas and ticks like nothing, hope he gets better..

[udon]

TBoxer,

very sorry to hear of your dog's probs.

Can you tell me about his daily environment, long grass everywhere or street areas, do you live upcountry etc etc.

IE: where do you think he picked up the tick(s)?

I ask, so to be prepared for my own puppy to be.

I do hope your "best friend" survives.

[bina]

make sure u wash hands after pulling ticks... very important....

zoonoses are diseases that are passed from an animal to a person, like tuberculosis from elephants to people, or hepatitis b from monkeys etc... ticks, fleas etc. are vectors of many diseases.

glad i could help;

i use several internet vet sites since i vet most of my animals myself w/help of several vets for compex or unusual problems or surgeries etc:

i consult with a vet for alpacas and camels, a goat vet and his partner the horse vet, and small pets vet, a gov't vet for the required vaccines for the livestock, a gov't vet for the rabies vac. for the dogs--a hoof man , and the generous help of the jerusalem zoo vet , nili, for all questions about zoonoses and strange disorders for the wild animals..

it seems that you have things under control; i unfortunately cannot get to linda, one of the dog vets (i have to bring our canaani bitch in again for a leg wound) until monday morning, i am w/my son in hospital sunday, and just have time to milk out one of our goats in the a.m. , bottle feed a semi orphaned baby goat and then off to medical stuff so.... i can still call and ask her if you have a specific question or questions that i can ask. vets dont like to give info over the fone if its not with specifics : i.e. fever is xxx, blood countxx, treatment and response, etc.... , and she can always call beit dagen which is the huge animal hospital we all use for pathology, etc....

do they use chloriphenicol in thailand?? it is still used here in some large animal treatments etc, some people are very sensitive to it but was considered drug of choice for many many things in animals....

yur dog was only brought over three weeks ago, and 11 yrs old, could be that he had it chronically but the climate country change etc, caused an active acute outbreak due to stress...that maybe the ticks were from the original area your dog came from... that's what happened to a friend of mines borzoi....i'm not sure how long the incubation period is before the disease manifests itself

good luck

[Thaiboxer1]

thaiboxer, i have a couple of rotties here, wot i do is put tick and flea powder where they sleep so they roll in it as they sleep, they are shampoed every week but that really isnt enough, but then again my rotties are house dogs as opposed to roaming in a garden day and nite, but they are taken out for walks twice per day and pick up fleas and ticks like nothing, hope he gets better..

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Thanks Dave...back in Canada, I was advised to not shampoo dog too often as it strips away the oils in the coat but over here in Thailand, looks like a neccessity and I'll be very vigilant in checking for ticks....i like ur tip w/the powder, will put that to his nightly regimen...

It's been a long nite for us....as of this morning, he seems more alert, even barked at a passerby..but still hasn't used his hind legs yet...still lying down but looks better...

[Thaiboxer1]

TBoxer,

very sorry to hear of your dog's probs.

Can you tell me about his daily environment, long grass everywhere or street areas, do you live upcountry etc etc.

IE: where do you think he picked up the tick(s)?

I ask, so to be prepared for my own puppy to be.

I do hope your "best friend" survives.

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Udon,

I'm pretty sure where he contracted the tick from as he's only been here for a short time. I was very cautious as to where I brought him for fear of soi dogs and snakes in bushes. He was kept almost exclusively indoors all this time except for going outside to the washroom. It was back up on Pratamnak Hill in Pattaya in the back of a condo that we were temporarily living at. The back outdoors carpark had some grass and tall bushes and underbrush on the outskirts. Everytime I let him loose for washroom out there , I would get extra nervous of snakes in the bush...I only wish I knew back then to be looking out for the lil ticks..he must have picked up the nasty critter in the underbrush which was quite short in height, bout 1 foot high underbrush...and encounter would have been brief, because I would watch him do his business, and quickly bring him back into condo for fear of snakes hiding in the brushes...

Be extra careful with your new puppy and examine him daily for ticks...is he going to be a local born pup or farang dog?

I ask because I've read that local dogs are born w/immunity antibodies to these local ticks yet farang dogs have never encountered before and highly susceptible.

[Thaiboxer1]

TBoxer,

very sorry to hear of your dog's probs.

Can you tell me about his daily environment, long grass everywhere or street areas, do you live upcountry etc etc.

IE: where do you think he picked up the tick(s)?

I ask, so to be prepared for my own puppy to be.

I do hope your "best friend" survives.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Udon,

I'm pretty sure where he contracted the tick from as he's only been here for a short time. I was very cautious as to where I brought him for fear of soi dogs and snakes in bushes. He was kept almost exclusively indoors all this time except for going outside to the washroom. It was back up on Pratamnak Hill in Pattaya in the back of a condo that we were temporarily living at. The back outdoors carpark had some grass and tall bushes and underbrush on the outskirts. Everytime I let him loose for washroom out there , I would get extra nervous of snakes in the bush...I only wish I knew back then to be looking out for the lil ticks..he must have picked up the nasty critter in the underbrush which was quite short in height, bout 1 foot high underbrush...and encounter would have been brief, because I would watch him do his business, and quickly bring him back into condo for fear of snakes hiding in the brushes...

Be extra careful with your new puppy and examine him daily for ticks...is he going to be a local born pup or farang dog?

I ask because I've read that local dogs are born w/immunity antibodies to these local ticks yet farang dogs have never encountered before and highly susceptible.

[udon]

Thanks for that location info.

My pup will probably be a local, from CM, though it is not carved in stone yet.

Reading about ticks here makes parrot keeping look like a doddle........

Enter 'bird flu'

[Thaiboxer1]

make sure u wash hands after pulling ticks... very important....

zoonoses are diseases that are passed from an animal to a person, like tuberculosis from elephants to people, or hepatitis b from monkeys etc... ticks, fleas etc. are vectors of many diseases.

glad i could help;

i use several internet vet sites since i vet most of my animals myself w/help of several vets for compex or unusual problems or surgeries etc:

i consult with a vet for alpacas and camels, a goat vet and his partner the horse vet,  and small pets vet, a gov't vet for the required vaccines for the livestock, a gov't vet for the rabies vac. for the dogs--a hoof man , and the generous help of the jerusalem zoo vet , nili, for all questions about zoonoses and strange disorders for the wild animals.. 

it seems that you have things under control; i unfortunately cannot get to linda, one of the dog vets (i have to bring our canaani bitch in again for a leg wound) until monday morning, i am w/my son in hospital sunday, and just have time to milk out one of our goats in the a.m. , bottle feed a semi orphaned baby goat and then off to medical stuff so.... i can still call and ask her  if you have a specific question or questions that i can ask.  vets dont like to give info over the fone if its not with specifics : i.e. fever is  xxx, blood countxx, treatment and response, etc.... , and she can always call beit dagen which is the huge animal hospital we all use for pathology, etc....

do they use chloriphenicol in thailand?? it is still used here in some large animal treatments etc,  some people are very sensitive to it  but was considered drug of choice for many many things in animals....

yur dog was only brought over three weeks ago, and 11 yrs old, could be that he had it chronically but the climate country change etc, caused an active acute outbreak due to stress...that maybe the ticks were from the original area your dog came from... that's what happened to a friend of mines borzoi....i'm not sure how long the incubation period is before the disease manifests itself

good luck

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Bina,

Thanks again for your helpful info...sounds like u have extensive contacts for professional animal advice...makes me now want to start building an online portfolio of vet contacts too. Sometimes still boggles my mind how much good info can be obtained from the "power of the net". And at "lightspeed instant feedback.

I'll get specific details from the vet after today's morning housecall and will list all the medical details and forward to u. As of present time, he seems much more alert (barked at neighbor across street leaving for work and eyes seem more sharp. No fever...but will not stand up...I'm assuming hind legs r still weak but he does have a preexisting hip dysplasia condition because of his old age of 11.5 yrs old that could be the reason w/the added early morning stiffness. He still has no appetite and hasn't eaten a thing in over 30 hrs and just refused to drink water..he did drink some water about 4 hrs ago.

I'm not sure about the chloriphenicol. He was injected w/tetracyline for the tick last nite....product name I think was "oxy-something'? ...can't recall..but I'll find out today.

Pretty certain that he did not have preexisting tick condition from Canada as the past summer and Fall, I have always put him on Sentinel which is a flea, tick and heartworm preventitive. At the beginning of summer before medication, he is always checked w/blood test for ticks and heartworm. When I brought him over 3 wks ago, it was stone cold winter season so no chance of ticks then. Plus he's from Toronto and a surburban city dog.

[Thaiboxer1]

Thanks for that location info.

My pup will probably be a local, from CM, though it is not carved in stone yet.

Reading about ticks here makes parrot keeping look like a doddle........

Enter 'bird flu'

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Udon,

Just googled your word "doddle"...never heard that term b4...

A doddle is something that can be accomplished with little effort. Seems to be peculiar to British and Australian English. For example, "Compared to cleaning out Erics' coffee mug, elephant proctology is a doddle."

I understand now..us Canadians can sometimes be slow eh?

Nasty buggers...these lil' ticks..carrier of many diseases..

Best wishes on acquiring ur new pup...I remember how fun for me that was, it was just like yesterday when my "boy" used to be pouncing and chewing on my shoe laces!

[udon]

5555

I hadn't heard of Doofus, in another thread, I guess it might mean the same as Boofhead.....

Who knows...... or cares

[Thaiboxer1]

Vet just came over. this morning..my dog is doing better, was able to get up and walk, went to washroom and urinated and actually had some appetite and ate some Prescription Hills canned dog food. He also drank some water.

Vet administered another shot of oxycline (tetracycline derivative) and said 2morrow morning will have a 3rd shot.

I'm so relieved that his condition has improved...now it's off to bed for me after a sleepless nite...

Thanks guys and "good nite" to all!

[elfe]

hi thaiboxer!

hope your rotti recovers soon

with ticks you should never squeeze them or put oil or similar on them while they are on your dog, they will vomit and the viri and bacteria etc will be shot into your dogs system. the best is as already mentioned to carefully plug them off, in my experience the ticks here in thailand are very easy to take off.

i took a german shepherd last august. I called him boomer. he was around 4 years, only bones and full of ticks, his armpits, ears, and between his toes and the whole body were filled with huge full soaked ticks. it took me hours to take them all off and the shampoos don't work, you have to take them off by hand. where the ticks were,big violet spots remained for some days on his skin. his whole condition was horrible, walked like drunk, dead look in his eyes, no sign of any emotion, very painful ear infection, many huge open wounds, worms, fleas, etc...

first i thought this all comes from being neglected for some time and the earinfection and i treated all his problems according to the vet. he gained weight quickly and life got back in his eyes. but still some of his skin wounds wouldn't heal off and also he had gum bleeding which i found strange. also some other syptoms and i searched the internet and when i read about leishmania i thought that's it!! the first vet i mentioned it to had never heard of that disease and the other said that there isn't any leishmania in thailand. the bloodtest showed that his liver doesn't work too well, so we gave him medication for hepatozoonosis. after 2 weeks all the symptoms were gone!

another bloodtest revealed that he also had erlichiosa canis, he was also treated for that. now he is a healthy dog and already been neutered and passed an operation where one of his testicles was removed from inside his belly (it was next to the kidney) and is all well and happy! you can see boome in the members photogallery in album 'love me, love my dog'

good luck for your dog!!

[_Echinochloa_]

Make sure you buy the dog a Tic Collar when he recovers and douse the place with a dilute of Jeyes Fluid and Water.Best of Luck.

[Ijustwannateach]

Glad to see a happy end to this thread; hadn't seen it before now.

[Shola]

Cannot stress to you enough that YOU MUST BUY 'Frontline Spray' It really is the only thing that will kill ticks shortly after they get in to your dogs fur and stop them from attaching, one application lasts a whole month.

It is a bit pricey, 500B for one bottle but sooooo worth it!

[_Echinochloa_]

Frontline Spray.

Pet Station

74 Maitreejit Road. Pomprab Bangkok 10100 Bangkok Thailand

Tel: 02-6275151 Fax: 02-6275151 Mobile: 01-6329197

[email protected]

http://www.tarad.com/pet_station/index.en.html#Profile

[Tattytam]

What about the frontline drops Shola, do they work?

[Shola]

What about the frontline drops Shola, do they work?

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I'm only aware of Frontline drops for fleas, so they wouldn't help for tick problems.

I've not seen Frontline drops for ticks??

[Tattytam]

The frontline drops are what my vet has given me, you have to re-apply every month, rather than every three months for fleas.

My dog has picked up a few ticks since I've been using them, but they don't seem to attach themselves - and end up walking around on my floor!

Incidentally - do ticks bite people? do they attach themselves the same as on animals?

[Shola]

The frontline drops are what my vet has given me, you have to re-apply every month, rather than every three months for fleas. 

My dog has picked up a few ticks since I've been using them, but they don't seem to attach themselves  - and end up walking around on my floor! 

Incidentally - do ticks bite people?  do they attach themselves the same as on animals?

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Well if they're not attaching themselves then I'd say its working.

Yes ticks do bite people, but only certain species, I have to say that I have had my dogs sleeping on my bed many nights and have found ticks on me many times but they have never ever bitten me, so I wouldn't worry about this too much, although if you do get bitten, the chances of you becoming extreamly sick are quite big, people fair much worse with tick bites than dogs, but as I say I have never been bitten and before I got Frontline spray for the dogs, I would find them in my bed and clothing all the time.

The little buggers are hard to kill too! so what I do is have a ball of plastacine at hand and if I see one strolling around I just stick the plastacine on it and roll it in, never to be seen again!

Best not to squish them as they're so full of bacteria

[bina]

frontline is second defense as it kills w/i 24 hours; there is PROTICALL whichis what our dogs get it is the strongest have to check in the stores what the active ingreds. are and was more evvective against ticks there are collars and drops; frontline has drops i use the drops on the boxers at homeonce a month and switch off between the proticall and the jfrontline; we have a major tick problem here all year; the boxers are easy i just get them cleaned up after each run; the farm dogs are awful cause i cant go over them all the time and the canaanis coats are double and thick...we also use opigal or acritin powder (10% or20% mixed w/ talc) which are carbomate derivitives used on chickens against all the lice , ticks etc.... in israel sold over the counter in farm/and some pet stores , NOT RECOMMENDED FOR HOUSE W/SMALL CHILDREN THAT PLAY WITH DOG OR SLEEP W/DOG. but the most effective, as it repels ticks and kills them; this could be the powder that someone in these threads recommended. use it with the wind to your back and a coverall on you; dont powder too heavily ; good for dusting area where dogs run or sleep, dog houses etc... again, switch between the two as they are slightly different; both are poisons do not leave where children can play with them s they look like plain white powder....

oxytetracycline (a strong broad spectrum for certain types of nasties) we use for uterine, abcess, and other deep and strong infections...

sounds like the stress of the move probably also has added to it all; three weeks is the magical number in stress for a lot of animals.... its when they are nt seriously stressed out, have got their whereabouts and have started adjusting, then there is a second 'wave' of stress; in wild animals this is the critical time, often as with the animal suddenly dying after it seems to improve) , in domestics, it tends to pass on its own..... (chronic stress also involve exacerbation of any present symptoms of problems, plus mild things, just like a person suffering culture shock etc.... tired eaily, appetite changes, behavior changes, etc...... ) most regular vets dont take this in to consideration as they dont have to deal with stress in small pets from moves etc; for zoos we had to go thru lots of lectures that all talk about stress; its like the nightmare number one cause of exacerbation of diseases, and in wild animals, sudden death syndromes...

in israel there are protein supplements for different types of animals(like pastes that you put on the nose of a cat or dog, they automaticallly lick it off etc) to stimulate appetite and contain vitamins and concentrates or powders that we give a goat to stimulate apppetite after illness and theya re reluctant to return to eating ... try making some really easy things like liver ground up and ut on nose, he will lick it off, dont give too much of course, this may stimualte appetite again, many animals wont eat after not eating a long time.. check w/your vet if she approves.... we also do this with honey for many mammals this is a good kick start to appetite,

sorry for long post; off to milk and bottle feed (its my day off but never a dull moment hey?)