Riot Audio Tape Doctored : Pm

[Plus]

So a politician questions the governments claims and the reply is a call for party dissolution?

What are you talking about? In this case it's the other way around - the government questions the opposition's claim that Abhisit ordered a crackdown, and it showed that their "proof" was a forgery.

[ThNiner]

So a politician questions the governments claims and the reply is a call for party dissolution? Banana republic alarm! Of course the arm chair generals of this forum will keep their focus no matter what...

So how about a hearing? The kind where the government have to back up their statements with evidence and facts and where the oposition is alowed to question claims without risking a trip to court.

Err, if you could understand Thai, you would have seen all the evidence on TV and newspapers already. The reds simply got caught red-handed on this malicious attempt. You don't think the postponemnet of their rally had nothing to do with getting caught on this doctored soundbite?

[elcent]

I'm not sure if it is a fake. The so called evidence is likely distorted.

When I saw the picture of the evidence it came into my mind that two different time settings have been used. One can stretch it and it looks different then.

Secondly, emotions are also playing a role. Everybody has emotion and regardless if one overplays it or not, the voice is changing. If there is an evidence of the fake then it must be compared with various 'originals' and in exactly the same time stretch as the accused clip is shown, then you can find out. the right from wrong.

[frodo]

So a politician questions the governments claims and the reply is a call for party dissolution?

What are you talking about? In this case it's the other way around - the government questions the opposition's claim that Abhisit ordered a crackdown, and it showed that their "proof" was a forgery.

Quite right and not to mention had the so called "crackdown" been true and the evidence was real, the opposition would literally be screaming murder, and rightly so. The Dem's would certainly face dissolution. What's good for one is good for the other. If it is proven the opposition party did create this fake and potentially damaging audio clip, they must also pay the consequences, one being dissolution and some major prison time for those involved.

[animatic]

I'm not sure if it is a fake. The so called evidence is likely distorted.

When I saw the picture of the evidence it came into my mind that two different time settings have been used. One can stretch it and it looks different then.

Secondly, emotions are also playing a role. Everybody has emotion and regardless if one overplays it or not, the voice is changing. If there is an evidence of the fake then it must be compared with various 'originals' and in exactly the same time stretch as the accused clip is shown, then you can find out. the right from wrong.

THE MULTIPLE TIME BASES USED, AND PRINTED, IS BECAUSE IT CAN SHOW THE EDITS,

AND ALSO ABRUPT CHANGES IN BACKGROUND NOISE LEVEL PERFECTLY LIKE THAT.

Shows where in the time line each part blown up fits too.

This type of order is so far out of character for Abhisit it is a ludicrous charge on face value.

[webfact]

Thaksin denies involvement in doctored audio clip of Abhisit

Ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra has claimed innocent for the circulation of doctored audio clip purported to attribute the Songkran riots to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

"I completely deny my involvement because I don't have time for trivia," he said in his statement released Wednesday by his legal adviser Noppadon Patama.

Thaksin said he spent his life in exile by travelling to meet with a number of government leaders and heads of state in order to dispense advise on poverty eradication based on the royal initiatives. He added he was also seeking business and investment opportunities for himself and his friends.

-- The Nation 2009/03/09

[animatic]

The fact he sees reason to deny this means it cuts too close to home.

He never 'circulated" it. A finenessful semantic nicety.

Nope, but he may well have ordered it's creation

even if not this specific variation of a 'Get Abhisit' document.

And Nopadom is really known for his accuracy and veracity.. not.

Edited September 3, 2009 by animatic

[Insight]

Thaksin denies involvement in doctored audio clip of Abhisit

Ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra has claimed innocent for the circulation of doctored audio clip purported to attribute the Songkran riots to Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.

"I completely deny my involvement because I don't have time for trivia," he said in his statement released Wednesday by his legal adviser Noppadon Patama.

Thaksin said he spent his life in exile by travelling to meet with a number of government leaders and heads of state in order to dispense advise on poverty eradication based on the royal initiatives. He added he was also seeking business and investment opportunities for himself and his friends.

-- The Nation 2009/03/09

Giving new depth to the old adage "one lie leads to another" ....

[animatic]

Noppadoms rebuttle statement is nothing more than recycled Thaksin boilerplate party line.

One item changed to reflect the current charges.

As if THIS is news. HAH!

[webfact]

Abhisit questions Chalerm's motive for filing motion to ask him about doctored clip

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Pheu Thai MP Chalerm Yoobamrung's motion on the doctored audio clip was nonsense.

Abhisit asked Chalerm if he really believed the clip was authentic and asked what Chalerm wanted from filing the motion on the issue.

The prime minister was heard in the clip of ordering security officials to use force against the red-shirt protesters to justify the declaration of state of emergency.

-- The Nation 2009/03/09

[webfact]

Chalerm angers Democrats with audio clip claims

By The Nation

Published on September 4, 2009

PM says remarks combined from three speeches

There were protests in Parliament yesterday when Pheu Thai MP Chalerm Yoobamrung skirted around a ban on playing a doctored audio clip - which seeks to suggest the prime minister triggered the Songkran riots - by reading a transcript of remarks on the tape.

"The tape has definitely been edited for the purpose of making it clearer and cutting out unrelated comments and the outcome is uninterrupted six paragraphs of Abhisit Vejjajiva's remarks," Chalerm said.

He insisted the tape had not been doctored to deviate from the original message.

Regardless of the ban on airing the doctored clip from the floor, he ploughed on reading the remarks, which he said had been transcribed.

As he began to read, a number of Democrat MPs, including Boonyod Sukthinthai, lined up to protest his bid to defy the ban.

To overcome the protests, he cut short his prepared transcript by highlighting a summary of Abhisit's alleged remarks. He then posed a direct question from the floor, asking the prime minister to clarify the circumstances leading to the remarks, which lasted three minutes and 42 seconds.

In his rebuttal, Abhisit said the coalition's move to block the audio clip being aired was not a suppression of information but a pre-emptive move against a wrong precedent by allowing Parliament to be a venue that condoned fraud and falsification.

Although he recognised several parts of the three-minute tape as a compilation of his voice, the words were edited out of context, he said, adding it had yet to be checked whether the tape contained just his voice or had voice-overs inserted.

The audio was clearly false, he said, as he made a speech broadcast live from the Interior Ministry to declare the state of emergency in Bangkok before he was attacked by a red-shirt mob on April 12.

But the message in the doctored clip said the opposite - that the attack prompted his decision on emergency rule.

The tape allegedly recorded remarks he later made on April 19 and April 26, when he prepared for taping sessions at Government House to be aired by NBT. But there were several discrepancies from the original remarks in the recorded broadcast, he said.

For example, in his original speech he made references to attempts to seize and shut down television stations by unruly crowds but the doctored clip had that he had ordered the shutdown.

-- The Nation 2009/04/09

[Insight]

I struggle to accept the PAD's idea of New Politics, but can somebody remind me just how Chalerm got his position?

Is anybody on here going to come out and openly support this man?

[brahmburgers]

"I completely deny my involvement because I don't have time for trivia," he said in his statement released Wednesday by his legal adviser Noppadon Patama.

Notice he used the word 'my involvement' rather than 'any involvement.' You're Freudian slip is showing under your coat of lies, Mr. T.

[brahmburgers]

I struggle to accept the PAD's idea of New Politics, but can somebody remind me just how Chalerm got his position?

Is anybody on here going to come out and openly support this man?

Chalerm is my hero, ......not

And when he goes out to pasture, I look forward to his wise sons taking over at the helm. (uuurrrghh, pardon me while I puke out the window).

[animatic]

I hope this deceptive load of <deleted> is enough to remove this dangerous sycophant from office.

He has never had a concept of shame or fair play.. so a truly perfect tool for Thaksin's goal.

Retake control of Thailand by any means necessary.

If this guy became PM, under Thaksin's control, could we EVER believe what comes out of his mouth?

Do we now?

Would we see anything but mega projects, with 75% siphoned off,

or just poured directly into the shameless pockets of cronies and backers.

PTP still desperately trying to get ANYTHING on Abhisit and create a

ground swell of hate from people who other wise would be happy enough

with how things are going.

This is one reason Abhisit is PM, there IS nothing to get on him, he was shielded

from most all lower level shenanigans on purpose. So the spurious opposition

can only use lies and ginned up fabrications to TRY for a killer blow. And STILL can't do it.

Even as these 'elected officials' use their office for lying and hoodwinking the electorate,

they try to say they are doing it 'for Thailand and the King'...

pathetic actually; amoral is what amoral does.

Imagine the good that would happen if PTP actually worked at legislation to HELP THE THAI PEOPLE...?

But no instead it is this monomaniacal obsession with smearing the Dems and Abhisit in particular.

What of the COUNTRY? Nothing done whatsoever for them in the whole term. Lost in the machinations.

Edited September 4, 2009 by animatic

[KevinBloodyWilson]

"I completely deny my involvement because I don't have time for trivia," he said in his statement released Wednesday by his legal adviser Noppadon Patama.

Notice he used the word 'my involvement' rather than 'any involvement.' You're Freudian slip is showing under your coat of lies, Mr. T.

Oh please - for goodness' sake...

Thai does not translate directly into English very well because Thai is a very unsophisticated language compared with English and French. Also, Thais often make this kind of mistake when trying to speak English, its a linguistic thing not a psychology thing.

To see that as a freudian slip is not just drawing a very long bow, but stretching the bounds of credibility to snapping point.

Please...

Edited September 4, 2009 by KevinBloodyWilson

[Rumfoord]

"I completely deny my involvement because I don't have time for trivia," he said in his statement released Wednesday by his legal adviser Noppadon Patama.

Notice he used the word 'my involvement' rather than 'any involvement.' You're Freudian slip is showing under your coat of lies, Mr. T.

Oh please - for goodness' sake...

Thai does not translate directly into English very well because Thai is a very unsophisticated language compared with English and French. Also, Thais often make this kind of mistake when trying to speak English, its a linguistic thing not a psychology thing.

To see that as a freudian slip is not just drawing a very long bow, but stretching the bounds of credibility to snapping point.

Please...

not sure what "sophistcated" and "unsophisticated" languages are. i think that are not linguistic categories.

but you are right to point out that is a translation and transcription thing and to see there any freudian slip is absurd.

[animatic]

I completely deny their involvement.

I completely deny any involvement

I completely deny my involvement.

I completely deny anything exists.

All same same, he felt compelled to deny period.

That says something bad about him, that he feels any need to deny it.

Hey, hey! I didn't do anything, ever, it's all a conspiracy!

[brahmburgers]

"I completely deny my involvement because I don't have time for trivia," he said in his statement released Wednesday by his legal adviser Noppadon Patama.

Notice he used the word 'my involvement' rather than 'any involvement.' You're Freudian slip is showing under your coat of lies, Mr. T.

Oh please - for goodness' sake...

Thai does not translate directly into English very well because Thai is a very unsophisticated language compared with English and French. Also, Thais often make this kind of mistake when trying to speak English, its a linguistic thing not a psychology thing.

To see that as a freudian slip is not just drawing a very long bow, but stretching the bounds of credibility to snapping point.

Please...

not sure what "sophistcated" and "unsophisticated" languages are. i think that are not linguistic categories.

but you are right to point out that is a translation and transcription thing and to see there any freudian slip is absurd.

Ok, I saw translation being a mitigating factor, but still wanted to make a tempest in a teapot. Even so, what would you expect him or his sister or his bro in law to say? Even if they were directly involved in the creation or distribution of the offending audio, the only thing they can say is: "I/we had nothing to do with it." Telling the truth has no bearing on anything that family proclaims. All has to do with amassing money, power games, face, and more money. Lies fly out of their mouths as readily as flies lie on a soiled diaper. Ok, a poor attempt at a malapropism disguised as anomatopeia, sorry.

[Samuian]

Tomorrow the Chief-Denier Mr.Noppadon may be denying all of

what has been said !

"It's all doctored by the Abhisit crew"!

and others may tune in and insist even the speeches of the Master

have all entirely been doctored by the Dems to disgrace the Savior of

Thailand!

[brahmburgers]

Tomorrow the Chief-Denier Mr.Noppadon may be denying all of

what has been said !

"It's all doctored by the Abhisit crew"!

and others may tune in and insist even the speeches of the Master

have all entirely been doctored by the Dems to disgrace the Savior of

Thailand!

entirely possible. The Shinawatras and their hand puppet attorney can twist their lies in more ways than a bowl of spaghetti.

....more twists than Farrah Faucet's hair after a windy sail around Nantucket.

....more twists than a pretzel factory gone haywire.

Edited September 4, 2009 by brahmburgers

[animatic]

More twists than Bob Marley's dreadlocks!

[Rumfoord]

Investigating panel says PM’s voice in audio clip not from his TV show

BANGKOK, 5 September 2009 (NNT) – A member in the fact-finding committee on political demonstrations has indicated that the voice of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva in the controversial clip did not come from Mr Abhisit’s weekly television program as claimed.

Committee member and Puea Thai MP Woravat Auapinyakul said in a press conference that experts who helped inspect the audio clip said there were less than 10 edited parts in the clip. They also said the sentences ordering a violent crowd dispersal and accusing deposed PM Thaksin Shiwatra were real.

The experts include Central Institute of Forensic Science Director Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunan and Scientific Crime Detection Division Scientist Police Lieutenant Colonel Wiwat Sidhisoradej.

Mr Worawat added that the committee had checked tapes of the PM’s program “Having Confidence in Thailand with Prime Minister Abhisit” on 19 and 26 April 2009 as Mr Abhisit claimed that his voice in the clip was taken from the mentioned episodes. He said the committee found that the PM’s explanation that his voice in the program and that in the clip had different frequencies was false.

The MP said the committee would ask Mr Abhisit to bring the program's tapes and testify before the committee.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255209050001

Reporter : Santibhap Ussavasodhi News Date :

-- NNT 05 September 2009

[Thai at Heart]

Investigating panel says PM’s voice in audio clip not from his TV show

BANGKOK, 5 September 2009 (NNT) – A member in the fact-finding committee on political demonstrations has indicated that the voice of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva in the controversial clip did not come from Mr Abhisit’s weekly television program as claimed.

Committee member and Puea Thai MP Woravat Auapinyakul said in a press conference that experts who helped inspect the audio clip said there were less than 10 edited parts in the clip. They also said the sentences ordering a violent crowd dispersal and accusing deposed PM Thaksin Shiwatra were real.

The experts include Central Institute of Forensic Science Director Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunan and Scientific Crime Detection Division Scientist Police Lieutenant Colonel Wiwat Sidhisoradej.

Mr Worawat added that the committee had checked tapes of the PM’s program “Having Confidence in Thailand with Prime Minister Abhisit” on 19 and 26 April 2009 as Mr Abhisit claimed that his voice in the clip was taken from the mentioned episodes. He said the committee found that the PM’s explanation that his voice in the program and that in the clip had different frequencies was false.

The MP said the committee would ask Mr Abhisit to bring the program's tapes and testify before the committee.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255209050001

Reporter : Santibhap Ussavasodhi News Date :

-- NNT 05 September 2009

The thot plickens!

What the hel_l is going to happen if the "investigating committee" decides that the clip is genuine? I wouldn't want to put my toe in that pot of boiling water, let alone be up to it in my neck.

[animatic]

This is just setting up an excuse to have the text read into the record.

It also does NOT say Kunying Portip nor Lieutenant Colonel Wiwat actually said this,

it just says 'some expert somewhere' said it.

that experts who helped inspect the audio clip said there were less than 10 edited parts in the clip

Which means there were edits and that only 2-3 edits could easily change meaning significantly.

The experts include Central Institute of Forensic Science Director Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunan

and Scientific Crime Detection Division Scientist Police Lieutenant Colonel Wiwat Sidhisoradej.

Gives a nice patina to drop their names of course...

But with linguistic slight of hand, the word "HELPED" inspect,

doesn't mean this was ANYONE on the official committee,

but someone who 'helped' SOME committee said this,

and not necessarily the official finding.

The guy speaking is on the

fact-finding committee on political demonstrations <<<<

Is that the SAME committee the OTHER experts are on?

Is Kunying Portip on this comittee or a different commitee and BOTH groups

have experts who inspected this audio.... Slight of hand for sure.

It really makes little difference if the tape was from his show or not.

Bringing the show's tapes won't prove the tape is edited or not, it is time wasting.

Oh my gosh, they didn't pick the right show,

throw the whole thing out and the PM and cabinet too.

Though for someone to clandestinely record this and then edit, is a worse offense...

If it is just boilerplate Abhisit talk, edited to a new meaning ,it makes little difference

where it was sourced from. Could be from any of dozens of speaches.

But finding the source may help pinpoint the editor more easily.

This is just a PTP MP trying to make more spin from off the record talk,

or just another lie added to the last one. Two DIFFERENT committees, same tape,

but making it LOOK like they are one committee.

Edited September 6, 2009 by animatic

[Moonrakers]

Well this thread has gone quiet, hasn't it?

[brahmburgers]

Monday's Nation:

Man City sale funded diamond-mine purchase: Thaksin

reminds me of a verse from Bob Dylan's "Jack of Hearts" ...

Big Jim was no one's fool, he owned the town's only diamond mine

He made his usual entrance, looking so dandy and so fine

With his silver cane and body guards and every hair in place

He took whatever he wanted to and laid it all to waste

But his silver cane and his body guards were no match for the Jack of Hearts.

When comparing Big Jim to Thaksin, I don't know who the 'jack of Hearts' would be, do you? ....maybe Abhisit?

[Rumfoord]

Investigating panel says PM’s voice in audio clip not from his TV show

BANGKOK, 5 September 2009 (NNT) – A member in the fact-finding committee on political demonstrations has indicated that the voice of Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva in the controversial clip did not come from Mr Abhisit’s weekly television program as claimed.

Committee member and Puea Thai MP Woravat Auapinyakul said in a press conference that experts who helped inspect the audio clip said there were less than 10 edited parts in the clip. They also said the sentences ordering a violent crowd dispersal and accusing deposed PM Thaksin Shiwatra were real.

The experts include Central Institute of Forensic Science Director Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunan and Scientific Crime Detection Division Scientist Police Lieutenant Colonel Wiwat Sidhisoradej.

Mr Worawat added that the committee had checked tapes of the PM’s program “Having Confidence in Thailand with Prime Minister Abhisit” on 19 and 26 April 2009 as Mr Abhisit claimed that his voice in the clip was taken from the mentioned episodes. He said the committee found that the PM’s explanation that his voice in the program and that in the clip had different frequencies was false.

The MP said the committee would ask Mr Abhisit to bring the program's tapes and testify before the committee.

http://thainews.prd.go.th/en/news.php?id=255209050001

Reporter : Santibhap Ussavasodhi News Date :

-- NNT 05 September 2009

The thot plickens!

What the hel_l is going to happen if the "investigating committee" decides that the clip is genuine? I wouldn't want to put my toe in that pot of boiling water, let alone be up to it in my neck.

there is a sudden silence and a lack of further news.

[SHYTALK]

I hope this deceptive load of &lt;deleted&gt; is enough to remove this dangerous sycophant from office.

He has never had a concept of shame or fair play.. so a truly perfect tool for Thaksin's goal.

Retake control of Thailand by any means necessary.

If this guy became PM, under Thaksin's control, could we EVER believe what comes out of his mouth?

Do we now?

Would we see anything but mega projects, with 75% siphoned off,

or just poured directly into the shameless pockets of cronies and backers.

PTP still desperately trying to get ANYTHING on Abhisit and create a

ground swell of hate from people who other wise would be happy enough

with how things are going.

This is one reason Abhisit is PM, there IS nothing to get on him, he was shielded

from most all lower level shenanigans on purpose. So the spurious opposition

can only use lies and ginned up fabrications to TRY for a killer blow. And STILL can't do it.

Even as these 'elected officials' use their office for lying and hoodwinking the electorate,

they try to say they are doing it 'for Thailand and the King'...

pathetic actually; amoral is what amoral does.

Imagine the good that would happen if PTP actually worked at legislation to HELP THE THAI PEOPLE...?

But no instead it is this monomaniacal obsession with smearing the Dems and Abhisit in particular.

What of the COUNTRY? Nothing done whatsoever for them in the whole term. Lost in the machinations.

What of the COUNTRY, what of all of the COUNTRY, return it to electoral democracy.

[SHYTALK]

I'm thinking of selling lie detector machines in thailand, do you think there is a market?

Find out for sure what he said.