webfact Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 DIRTY TRICKS? Riot audio tape doctored : PM By The Nation Published on August 28, 2009 Red shirts say clip evidence of attempt to incite mayhem Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday denied ordering a violent dispersal of the red shirts during the Songkran mayhem in April, insisting the audio clip featuring his voice was edited. He described the audio tape as a "dirty trick" originating from a former prime minister's network. "It is unbelievable. This method can risk causing confusion and violence within the country. I will take legal action against people who did it," Abhisit said. "The audio clip was definitely doctored because I can confirm I have never issued any such instruction on crowd control," he said. He was reacting to an audio clip circulated on the Internet in which a voice like his instructs security forces to use violence against red-shirt protesters during the April chaos, so that the government could impose an emergency decree to control the situation. The red shirts claimed the audio clip is evidence of Abhisit's attempt to incite mayhem as a pretext to declare a state of emergency. Deputy Premier Suthep Thaugsuban said the doctored audio clip was aimed at inducing hatred towards the prime minister. PM's Office Minister Satit Wongnontaey said after listening to the clip that the prime minister did not make such an order during the volatile political situation in April. Chuan Leekpai, former Democrat Party leader and the chief party adviser, also vouched for Abhisit, saying he believed the prime minister would never speak that way. Abhisit admitted the voice at the beginning of the clip belonged to him, but that part of the content was not what he had said. "The audio clip was edited because the levels of sound were different," said the prime minister, "I affirm that I have never said these words in such a combination." The premier said his policy to deal with the so-called red shirt protesters is clearly based on the rule of law and respect for human rights. Abhisit said he was ready to clarify any doubts regarding the audio clip and blamed those behind it of intending to hurt the country and incite violence. He also warned such audio editing could be illegal. The premier said he had clues some people who disseminated the clip belonged to a political party with close ties to a former prime minister's network. They must be held responsible if the audio clip was proven to be edited, he said. "It's incredible they used dirty tactics to cause disturbances in the country," said Abhisit, "I will take legal action against those involved." The prime minister said he had instructed national police chief General Patcharawat Wongsuwan to check the authenticity of the clip and its source. Special Branch commander Police Lt-General Theeradej Rodphothong said he expected the examination result soon. He said the Special Branch is now checking who had released the clip, saying it was first aired at a red-shirt rally in Udon Thani province. "It is still unconfirmed whether the voice heard in the clip is the premier's," said Theeradej, admitting that "if the clip is not real, it is seamlessly edited." Meanwhile, Jatuporn Prompan, an opposition Pheu Thai Party MP and key red-shirt leader, said the prime minister and his Cabinet should resign if the clip turned out to be authentic. Jatuporn said he had listened to the clip some time ago and said he prayed it was not the voice of the prime minister. However the speech was so smooth it sounded authentic. He added the opposition party would not have accused the premier, as the use of a 'dirty tactic' is not its style. The Pheu Thai MP said he had no idea who was behind the clip, but that Abhisit must be aware what he had said and to whom. "Abhisit must prove his claims the clip was edited," said Jatuporn. -- The Nation 2009/08/28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiya Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Me thinks he protest too much! Gotcha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahmburgers Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Sounds like a budding job opportunities for Thais adept at photoshop and other 'doctoring' software. There was the purportedly doctored security footage that came out of King Power duty free at the airport. ...the sexy school uniforms, .....now this dust up re; the PM. What's next? If you know one of the hundreds of thousands of U graduates who are looking for jobs, you might suggest they learn how to use 'doctoring' software, as there will probably be more jobs coming up in that field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 A new way of denying you said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 The Running Man (Movie starring Arnold Swartzeneger). But will Abhisit succeed like Arnie did? Hmmmm.... Sounds like a budding job opportunities for Thais adept at photoshop and other 'doctoring' software. There was the purportedly doctored security footage that came out of King Power duty free at the airport. ...the sexy school uniforms, .....now this dust up re; the PM. What's next? If you know one of the hundreds of thousands of U graduates who are looking for jobs, you might suggest they learn how to use 'doctoring' software, as there will probably be more jobs coming up in that field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tb86 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 The Running Man (Movie starring Arnold Swartzeneger).But will Abhisit succeed like Arnie did? Hmmmm.... Sounds like a budding job opportunities for Thais adept at photoshop and other 'doctoring' software. There was the purportedly doctored security footage that came out of King Power duty free at the airport. ...the sexy school uniforms, .....now this dust up re; the PM. What's next? If you know one of the hundreds of thousands of U graduates who are looking for jobs, you might suggest they learn how to use 'doctoring' software, as there will probably be more jobs coming up in that field. sweet, maybe he will get to fight taksin to the death in the end??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 A new way of denying you said it. I hate to agree with Abhisit, but in this case he is right - the tape is doctored. This is not very difficult to see if one looks at the sound waves. Most definitely this tape was released now to create more tensions at the coming rally. But there are more than a few factions who might benefit from clashes, not just the Red Shirts or Thaksin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dale8 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hello, anyone would be very defensive given any false accusations so the Prime Minister has a normal reaction. They have the technical evidence that shows it is not his voice, but why would he not want to protect the country from thugs using anarchy to try to get what they want? The people of Thailand and the property must be protected or it will be a situation similar to some lawless African nations, and that could not be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 They have the technical evidence that shows it is not his voice, That is wrong. It is indeed Abhisit's voice on the recording (he said so as well during yesterday's session in parliament), but it was a cut and paste job, taking parts of many different speeches he held and putting them together to create a new context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cunning stunt with opposite success. This dirty attempt to manipulate will backfire at the Red brigades and its leaders! Now they will lose the last straw of "credibility" (if the latter had ever existed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjke Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) Some smell in this country is getting stronger and stronger every day.Might it be that someone is heating up something? Edited August 28, 2009 by basjke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secondbase Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Sounds like a budding job opportunities for Thais adept at photoshop and other 'doctoring' software. There was the purportedly doctored security footage that came out of King Power duty free at the airport. ...the sexy school uniforms, .....now this dust up re; the PM. What's next? If you know one of the hundreds of thousands of U graduates who are looking for jobs, you might suggest they learn how to use 'doctoring' software, as there will probably be more jobs coming up in that field. This is nothing new for them. There are countless number of them that are already very adept at precisely this sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 A new way of denying you said it. Scott I can teach you how to do this effectively in about 40 minutes, maybe less. This used to be stuff with a razor blade taking lots of practice, but nowadays most home computers are EASILY capable with software that you can directly down load on internet. For someone with many many hours of speaches out there as sources, it is extremely easy to cobble up a good fake saying most anything. I could sit with most anyone for 40 minutes and just have a conversation, clandestinely recorded, lead you around on topic, and then later edit something that could make your wife leave you, your lawyer quit defending you, and most friends abandon you. So anything like this does NOT automatically become fact, even if your enemies are circulating it. Audio alone is too easy to fake, completely undetectable to the typical listener. Like you. This does sound like a perfect windup for more induced rioting, and making the government and army look bad. There was no excessive force last time, so if it allegedly was ordered, why didn't heads roll for not following orders? Because it didn't get ordered. This is more disinformation set-up like Thaksin saying he is 'worried' about the reds rally this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiya Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cunning stunt with opposite success. This dirty attempt to manipulate will backfire at the Red brigades and its leaders! Now they will lose the last straw of "credibility" (if the latter had ever existed) Hmmm, I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot........ All Songkran pro-democracy protest activity was taken at face value. There were no instigators there, no fabricated violence by anyone other than the pro-democracy people........No doctoring of the facts there....Noooooo! But this, this......... I am affronted by such dastardliness! "dirty attempts......credibility that never existed........" Only pro-democracy people are capable of such a thing. A dirty, rotten shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cunning stunt with opposite success. This dirty attempt to manipulate will backfire at the Red brigades and its leaders! Now they will lose the last straw of "credibility" (if the latter had ever existed) The clip was released to feed the already 'blessed', not to persuade any doubters. The same fans that currently takes *anything* that is said at rallies, radio stations or via SMS's (this is a very big thing in use, actually), including that many (hundreds) was killed at Black Songkran by the military, that ***** is ****** with ***********, that the latter had ************ and they where shown on stage during rallies, and many other things. (Asterisks cover possible 'facts' that can lead to LM-charges, but that they like to pass around.) This isn't some innocent kittens we are talking about, it is a very methodical disinformation campaign and it is very efficient within the masses under their own direct control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cunning stunt with opposite success. This dirty attempt to manipulate will backfire at the Red brigades and its leaders! Now they will lose the last straw of "credibility" (if the latter had ever existed) Hmmm, I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot........ All Songkran pro-democracy protest activity was taken at face value. There were no instigators there, no fabricated violence by anyone other than the pro-democracy people........No doctoring of the facts there....Noooooo! But this, this......... I am affronted by such dastardliness! "dirty attempts......credibility that never existed........" Only pro-democracy people are capable of such a thing. A dirty, rotten shame! You should try reading Koo's posts - She made thousands of them (no exaggerating) trying to convince the forum the reds were all angles and the violence was started by instigators. Guess how far she got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiya Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cunning stunt with opposite success. This dirty attempt to manipulate will backfire at the Red brigades and its leaders! Now they will lose the last straw of "credibility" (if the latter had ever existed) Hmmm, I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot........ All Songkran pro-democracy protest activity was taken at face value. There were no instigators there, no fabricated violence by anyone other than the pro-democracy people........No doctoring of the facts there....Noooooo! But this, this......... I am affronted by such dastardliness! "dirty attempts......credibility that never existed........" Only pro-democracy people are capable of such a thing. A dirty, rotten shame! You should try reading Koo's posts - She made thousands of them (no exaggerating) trying to convince the forum the reds were all angles and the violence was started by instigators. Guess how far she got? I bet she didn't get very far. The Farang's on this board are too well informed for that type of misinformation. After all, they read the domestic English language media daily! What was Koo thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 I bet she didn't get very far.The Farang's on this board are too well informed for that type of misinformation. After all, they read the domestic English language media daily! What was Koo thinking! Welcome back, I was wondering when you would re-register after getting banned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Anamatic: Thanks, but I really don't care to learn how to doctor tapes. I am not good at that sort of stuff and I am old fashioned--I prefer lying and just saying I heard him say it. All joking aside, I have no reason to believe he did or didn't say it. If the tape was doctored, then the evidence will stand on it's own. I am not a big fan of Abhisit, but thus far, he is far from being a cruel person and my suspicions about the authenticity of the tape lies in the fact that I have trouble seeing him say that. The credibility of his denial lies in his basic character which is a lot less devious than most politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Yes, yes, it's us, out of tune farangs. ALL Thais are completely convinced that reds were real sweet angels during Songkran. After all, 76% of them want the govt to impose Emergency laws during this weekend red rally to protect the reds, not the government. Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cunning stunt with opposite success. This dirty attempt to manipulate will backfire at the Red brigades and its leaders! Now they will lose the last straw of "credibility" (if the latter had ever existed) The clip was released to feed the already 'blessed', not to persuade any doubters. The same fans that currently takes *anything* that is said at rallies, radio stations or via SMS's (this is a very big thing in use, actually), including that many (hundreds) was killed at Black Songkran by the military, that ***** is ****** with ***********, that the latter had ************ and they where shown on stage during rallies, and many other things. (Asterisks cover possible 'facts' that can lead to LM-charges, but that they like to pass around.) This isn't some innocent kittens we are talking about, it is a very methodical disinformation campaign and it is very efficient within the masses under their own direct control. Ahhh so this is sort of like the allegations and rumours that claimed Mr. Thaksin ordered thousands o thais to be murdered and the bodies disposed of surreptitiously? i believe Abhisit on this one. However, i am pretty sure he probably was told by his military supporters that there should be some lessons taught. My impression of the army here is that they are good at attacking peaceful protestors. and then finding a politician to pass the responsibility and blame to. All in all this thing is disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Cunning stunt with opposite success. This dirty attempt to manipulate will backfire at the Red brigades and its leaders! Now they will lose the last straw of "credibility" (if the latter had ever existed) Hmmm, I wonder if the shoe was on the other foot........ All Songkran pro-democracy protest activity was taken at face value. There were no instigators there, no fabricated violence by anyone other than the pro-democracy people........No doctoring of the facts there....Noooooo! But this, this......... I am affronted by such dastardliness! "dirty attempts......credibility that never existed........" Only pro-democracy people are capable of such a thing. A dirty, rotten shame! You should try reading Koo's posts - She made thousands of them (no exaggerating) trying to convince the forum the reds were all angles and the violence was started by instigators. Guess how far she got? I bet she didn't get very far. The Farang's on this board are too well informed for that type of misinformation. After all, they read the domestic English language media daily! What was Koo thinking! Among many other pertinent sources. Sorry Charlie, you can't counter-spin informed people as being biased, from ONLY one or two sources, when dozens are available. Disingenuous claptrap, or disinformation, depending on employment status... We dis-believe Koo82 often, because she doesn't ever listen to others, and never acknowledges any other sides, nor ideas, ie a closed mind. And since it is closed it can't be unbiased. This is not bashing Koo, who is sincere, regardless of being correct or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAERTH Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Anybody know where Koo82 is btw? W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Anybody know where Koo82 is btw?W probably at or getting ready for the rally :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Ahhh so this is sort of like the allegations and rumours that claimed Mr. Thaksin ordered thousands o thais to be murdered and the bodies disposed of surreptitiously? No, as Thaksin publicly launched a campaign and publicly defended the killings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stumonster Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 I bet she didn't get very far.The Farang's on this board are too well informed for that type of misinformation. After all, they read the domestic English language media daily! What was Koo thinking! ferwert , should't you be keeping abreast of takkys twitter feed and myspace pages ? you state that you are preaching to the converted here - so why waste your time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 This is nothing new for them. There are countless number of them that are already very adept at precisely this sort of thing. ive just had a look at your history, secondbase... srj is that you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Anamatic: Thanks, but I really don't care to learn how to doctor tapes. I am not good at that sort of stuff and I am old fashioned--I prefer lying and just saying I heard him say it. All joking aside, I have no reason to believe he did or didn't say it. If the tape was doctored, then the evidence will stand on it's own. I am not a big fan of Abhisit, but thus far, he is far from being a cruel person and my suspicions about the authenticity of the tape lies in the fact that I have trouble seeing him say that. The credibility of his denial lies in his basic character which is a lot less devious than most politicians. I wasn't offering a course in audio theater manipulation of the masses. But your last point is also close to mine. It is quite out of character. And doesn't support the facts as viewed in the ground. It only supports the discredited Red spin about Songkran weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maiya Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 I bet she didn't get very far.The Farang's on this board are too well informed for that type of misinformation. After all, they read the domestic English language media daily! What was Koo thinking! ferwert , should't you be keeping abreast of takkys twitter feed and myspace pages ? you state that you are preaching to the converted here - so why waste your time ? oh! you feed your PAD team at tweeter, so you tell me to do the same thing?????? Are you afraid of the clip of your the Med PM? 555555555555555 Protest and protest!!!! poor guy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 An agent provocateur planted by the yellows/Dems/Prem clique in the reds/Pheua Thai/Thaksin group makes bad quality sound file implicating the pm in order to stain the reds. It's all about the money and means of getting hold of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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