Face Book

[thaipod]

I was just wondering if anyone has used face book to advertised their service / product.

My wife's sister told my wife that she had just advertised and she was getting lot's of hits and and said it would be worth while trying it out .

So she placed an add and on the 1st day she gets about 300 hit's , we were shocked . Then the next day we get 856 hit's with some phone calls with price enquires nothing about the service, by this time I was getting suspicious ,so her secretary transfered the the phone to her mobile so we could read the incoming numbers then she later rung back and the people on the other end didn't seem to be genuine.

Now I was getting worried.. and told my staff to cancel the advertising as when I checked the account it was over the budjet that I expected and worried about using her credit card .

The thing is we and my sister inlaw have had not one appointment or sale from the experience and she has asked other people and they seem to think it's a scam which I believe also .

[Huey]

We tried it for my wife's cosmetics company. You get the hits but, how much of that transfers into sales is a lil hard to track. I personally think it requires some real precise targeting and knowing your market segment to get the most out of your click, or impressions cash. Could there be some fudging of the numbers....very likely. Is it a total scam, no.

[d0ndela]

I've tried it as well, and when comparing the number of clicks Facebook stated to the visitor count from google analytics and another statistics script, the numbers seemed to be correct. When looking at the demographics of the clicks, almost all were made from inside Thailand, so I think it's genuine enough.

I set the limit to a very low number and our bid was also the minimum, so we never received a lot of visitors, but it was okay. Never did the daily spending go over the limit I had specified though.

[thrilled]

Be careful with those social sites.They're loaded with stuff ya don't want in your computer.

[surface]

So she placed an add and on the 1st day she gets about 300 hit's , we were shocked . Then the next day we get 856 hit's

The number of hits you will get varies based upon what your selling, your target demographic, etc. It's easy to throw away money on online advertising if you don't know what you are doing, and it sounds like you don't. I've verified FB ad clicks using other statistics and the numbers were correct.

If you're serious about advertising online, and you don't have experience with it, you should get some help from someone who knows what they're doing so you're not just throwing money away.

[Gerry290]

Hi Guys,

This past year or more, I have been doing heavy reading & study on using "Internet Marketing" either to

market actual "bricks n mortar" (Clicks n Mortar) business & also to market & promote online only almost "automated"

"info product" e.g. marketing & selling online your own self authored e-book (Digital Download product or indeed affiliate for others stuff),

Instructional How to DVD, etc etc.

I am not technical nor do I enjoy technical stuff! I find it a long hard up hill climb to absorb & "get it".

Its almost 18 months of sadistic self punishment, I have been reading & learning & doing some minor online

stuff. OK the GURU's of "internet marketing" most say "OUTSOURCE" pay some Indian via online outsourcing website

to do all your work for you - well if you got no budget, & times hard that rules out Outsourcing..

but if you do not understand even the basic process or concept of the Job you Outsource...

Well You are a Sitting Duck to Be Screwed or You will never know it the outsourced job was done fully or correctly?

i.e. back in late 1999 to early 2000s when I had a small but v profitable IT Recruitment Agency in Dublin, &

just left the one of the biggest UK/EU IT Rec firms where I was top biller to go out on my own (and a bit cocky.. lesson learned)

We outsourced our Online Web Development & Marketing to an Irish firm... from design to SEO, & they sold us all the bells & whistles

not need, & where charging 1000s euro (or Irish punt back then) a year for Search Engine Optimization SEO...

today I understand the basics of SEO & indeed simple free "organic SEO" I look back on archive.org at old versions website for

that little IT Recruitment biz, & I can see the Web Design SEO firm did Minimal to Zero SEO & robbing every client.

(as probably all the other Web Dev SEO companies back then did too, screwed firms, big firms who knew F All so outsourced

of 100,000s Euro. Of course back then, if you did not have a "Flash Intro" animation before your web site opened your company was behind the time.)

So I decided, as I got a few future projects in mind for the mid term when global economy improves re online & "clicks n mortar" biz

I pushing myself to learn or at least understand as much of the basic essentials & systems of most sectors of this whole "Online Internet Marketing e-commerce, & now the ultra modern Social Media Marketing Web 2.0 way of marketing, which FACEBOOK is part

of & is TWITTER, LINKEDIN & a list of others, youtube, podcasts, blogging, Social Booking, etc etc etc)

There is so much Conflicting Advice from those who are reputable world famous Internet Marketing "Gurus"

who are real with good reputations & established proven track records, & then I also read the stuff from new comers

& of course read & even bought software in my innocence from Scam Artists whose "magic pill" software is

just Spam stuff, & luckily my lack of techie skill stopped me using it.... & later I discover this in my studies.. (would have got me domains

blacklisted etc..). I am now at the stage where after 18 months of study, & many wrong turns I understand the basics , I understand the Gurus with opposing business models, all are correct, it is just different ways of getting to profit, and which "method" depends on your personality.

( Marlon Saunder's says it is good for beginners to sweat it out as I have down, he is a No BS IM guru)

OK.... so I just have got to the stage where much has "Clicked" into place in my mind, & I would be 80% odds in

my favor after 1 year + headache learning Internet & Web basics, it would be V Difficult for a Professional to

"pull the wool over my eyes" or as happen 1000s business & most probably do not have a clue, we all were ripped

for fortunes by many Web Marketing SEO firms. l, if it comes to Outsourcing or hiring Professionals for tiny online side biz

or much larger mid term concepts I have.

FACEBOOK...

FaceBook & Twitter & all the other Web 2.0 Social Media Marketing (pain in butt a lot of the time) online services,

the whole concept of these sites, is you over long period of time, build up a network or fan base of "followers" or

"friends" (let us exclude family & friends non biz related people from this), of people who share a similar interest

so my FaceBook profile is mainly towards the Martial Arts Self Defense Krav Maga interested people (and some Internet Marketing sector too)

and you aim to be "Friends" with the Movers & Shakers the Gurus, (so people will befriend you based on that connection) and

also your own customers or prospects you invite to become Friends...

You give them a lot of free info, advice, tips, discussion, on your "niche" in a informal way, friendly, funny even,

etc.. with view to building over time a big following of contacts who "Trust" you based on relationship on FaceBook.

Then since your offering free info, e.g. posting say a newspaper article online you found with good info on your sector of business,

sharing ideas, you can on occasion, talk about how you had a tough day trying to concentrate on working your newest project

e.g the "new ebook on Blah blah blah and Oh I will have a DVD out too", so Your warming up your "Following" Slow Slow Sabai Sabai

& not full on hard sell of your product...

So Ads on FaceBook...

Well, its not really a site people go to to do "online shopping".

Think right now immediate!! - > What is first 2 websites you can think of that people go to to shop online?

Immediate EBAY (I hate the b*stards) and AMAZON come into my head....

people go on there especially amazon to spend cash, ebay the punter bargain hunts flea market style a bit as opposed to Amazon.

FaceBook Ads... since the "model" of FaceBook is relationships based, unless your prospect or customers you

are trying to Sell the Product you were Advertising, unless you got them all as Friends on Facebook, where

you must you front & first be a "Giver" of useful on the house info over a medium term & are known to your

FaceBook Friends & Interacting with them, & replying to their posts etc etc....

the Direct Response Advertising method is not going to work very well (Direct Response Gods e.g. Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham, Billy Bly etc)

Now I only "Got it" re what I write a few months back, as I too had put Ads on Facebook & paid for them & got no response at all.

(That was 2 years back, & I had minimal contacts back then & no one knew me, Now I got 300 ish Friends, with 50% niche related).

I "Got It" as I this other Web 2.0 Micro Blog TWITTER thing, I was almost ready to throw myself into the sea with an anchor

around my neck, for I could just not understand what the hel_l Twitter was for... (there is a lot of "noise" posts on Twitter)

So I asked an Internet Marketing Guru who only learn what email was at 50 years old, & was a Blues Guitar player all this life,

until he via chance meeting, a guy a famous author & internet marketer called Joe Vitale see his site & blog MrFire.com

who wanted blues guitar lessons, long story short.... Joe Vitale taught this man the Online Internet Biz, & he now is

pulling in high 6 figures a year himself online..

He explained to me on his forum, all of the above, re TWITTER, & he told me 80% of his Seminars in USA on Internet Business & Success

he fills, as in tickets sold, because over time he built up a long term following, on FaceBook which is Now linked to TWITTER..

This caused everything my reading & the info on Pats forum all free via the Web 2.0 FaceBook & Twitter thing to "Click" with me,

the How to & the What Not to Do...

This is a long post for sure, it took me since I am nearly 3 years on FaceBook and advertised both B2b Service business, self defense lessons,

krav maga thailand seminars, ebooks I wrote on Anthony Robbins - Tony Robbins the Success Guru, all paid ads on Facebook and got about 3

leads total from all combined, useless leads from the paid facebook advertising..

If you understand it, & again I do not like it, as I entrusted a former "friend" to run a Google Adwords campaign

for me, & he did know web biz to a decent level, & got coaching calls directly from Perry Marshall an Adwords Guru,

yet he ran me up 1000s & 1000s Euro of Debt, again... I outsourced something I did not understand, been a contact

of this dude for a few years, did not stop a balls being made of the work. (Back then Adwords billing kicked in a bit

slower &, so damage was done, by time approx 2 months later charges hit & my accountant back in Eire was called me asking what the <deleted> I was doing with Google. LOL in hindsight!

9 million - 1 million Alexa.com Global Ranking - How using basic free methods my website took 8 Million global traffic jump in 5 months...

Me via a few methods I just understand to a basic level of free SEO I brought my hobby & "guinea pig" test it out website KravMagaThailand.com

where I experimented the stuff I was reading & learning for 18 months, just a few methods roughly done in a beginners fumbling way

I took my crappy design I did myself (for testing & learning) kravmagathailand.com from web traffic global alexa.com rank

which in January 2009 was over 9 million to in June where it averaged 1 million alexa.com global traffic rank in June 09 with 12 mins average time visitor spent my site, (highest ranked day was 750,000 via alexa.com in late June 09).... and that was me putting in a hour or so most days beginners badly done several SEO Internet Marketing methods which cost me not a penny only the time.... very simple stuff.

Then July just to see, I stopping doing 90% of the SEO methods & October 09, kravmagathailand.com actually v bottom of home page

scroll to very bottom left hand corner is an Alexa.com button & I am down to a 3 million global ranking... which is good! WHY?

Because it proves to me what I was doing 3 out of a list of 8 basic things, I just focused on 3 free SEO methods... what I did was working.

Ok my site is not a money making site, it is for our krav maga self defense club me hobby here in pattaya,

so imagine when I use the same methods, on a proper good looking design wise with good SEO google friendly design, & I use all 8 methods & there is much more add, I am sure I will make a few quid ;-)

Where did I learn about the Social Media FACEBOOK TWITTER & Other stuff from a v successful 1 man band Internet Biz guy?

his forum is free, it got great info, check out PatOBryan.com patobryan.com/blog & forum is off Milargoworld.com

I think it is milargoworld.com/forum

Perhaps the Web Internet Marketing which most of us are sitting ducks to be fed a line of BS on why we need buy whatever new Web thing come out... think of it like was it Warren Buffet said about Stock Market Investing...

Do Not Invest Money You Cannot Afford to Loose (Ok thats a no brainer & I don't think that was Warren Buffet, thats centuries old wisdom) BUT

DO NOT Invest Your Money in Shares in Companies or Industries that You do not understand!!

Great advice, & via my own experiences of internet failure, ripped off, learning to headache level, testing & little success,

I would apply the same LAW to any Business Marketing (that costs money) On the Web be it FaceBook, Adwords, etc etc.

If it is free method of traffic generation like "article writing" yeah, do it on your free time, test it out...

I can see some of the Gurus of the Web, starting this past few months, to talk a lot in their Blogs

and Newsletters about the Direct Response Advertising methods (which go back to 19th Century) the

likes of Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham, David Olgivy who founded the worldwide advertising agency al used.

They are applying the old skool worked for last 150 years stuff & dressing it up for the web... ;-)

Or in Addition to the web... hint... I can see online marketers asking for your fax or postal address

in return for a freebie DVD etc... wonder why? :-)

[lazygourmet]

Friends for sale on facebook

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[quiksilva]

I automatically delete any friends who try to sell me stuff on facebook.

[Trickcyclist]

Facebook = zombie spam!!!

the dreaded, stomach churning, out of the blue notification that another awful person that you never heard of, or, have crossed continents to avoid, has "added you as a friend on Facebook."

I was just wondering if anyone has used face book to advertised their service / product.

My wife's sister told my wife that she had just advertised and she was getting lot's of hits and and said it would be worth while trying it out .

So she placed an add and on the 1st day she gets about 300 hit's , we were shocked . Then the next day we get 856 hit's with some phone calls with price enquires nothing about the service, by this time I was getting suspicious ,so her secretary transfered the the phone to her mobile so we could read the incoming numbers then she later rung back and the people on the other end didn't seem to be genuine.

Now I was getting worried.. and told my staff to cancel the advertising as when I checked the account it was over the budjet that I expected and worried about using her credit card .

The thing is we and my sister inlaw have had not one appointment or sale from the experience and she has asked other people and they seem to think it's a scam which I believe also .