Can A Brother Became An Adopted Son?

[surayu]

Hi, the young brother of my thai wife recently had a very bad motorcycle accident, which after a few days in coma left his brain permanently damaged (unable to recognize the family or understand what other people are telling him), considering that as far as i know, people having his difficulties are almost ignored by the local sanitary and welfare system, i am willing to take him as my son to grant him a better future under european standards, so the question is if a thai citizen can "adopt" as a son her own brother which his completely unable to provide to his own basic needs, anyone in the knows? thanks

[barrybankruad]

I had a similar problem, my wifes younger brother broke his back and became a paraplegic. We looked after him for over 12 years until he died. Don't woory about 'adoption' or anything like that, the paperwork involved just isn't worth the effort.

He may be entitled to a small disability pension. It's only 500bht a month but better than nothing. Enquire at your local Ampur.

Just look after him. Believe you me you and your wife will gain much 'face' by doing so. Good luck to you, and well done, it would be so easy just to say 'It isn't my problem'. That will be all the 'Tham Boun' you need for the rest of your life.

[lioness]

Agree with 2nd Poster, if you wish that care to continue after you pass on then you can make provision in your Thai Will.

[surayu]

Hi Barry and thanks for your reply, i made a bit of research and it seems that under the law of my own country, only first grade relatives(parents & daughteer/son) are allowed to join the rest of the family, that's why i am looking into the adoption process, his conditions are much worse than just a phisical impairments as his skull bones crashed badly and his brain has been seriously compromised (behave like a 2 years old), we will take care of him whatever the answer will be to our burocracy problem, but obviously we are trying to put him in the best of the possible situation as he or his family are definately not able to provide what he needs now, let alone what his home country can do for him.....once at the hospital his relatives had to insist with the doctor to not take away the life saving equipment from him, as he didn't had his thai ID card with him and the doctors wheren't sure anyone was going to pay the bill for him! yes you read it well, TIT! i really hope i can get him a european citizenship asap.

[sassienie]

It appears the OP wants to get his brother in law over to Europe and cared for under his home country`s welfare system.

Answer to that one is, NO.

Not considered a dependant under British or European law, but nice try.

[MrWiggle]

Why would Europe take on the liability ?

I do not think Australia allows such things.

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[surayu]

It appears the OP wants to get his brother in law over to Europe

No, the question is the brother in law can change his status to "adopted son", please read carefully!

[MrWiggle]

Regardless of the good intentions, you are doing it and fleecing the Euro tax paying public. If I was European, I would be upset and a free ride that could cost the taxpayer...ME...millions of Euro's over the life time care of the individual.

It may suck, but he is Thai and should be taken care of by his own, not become the burden of others.

[surayu]

Why would Europe take on the liability ?

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how nasty people can be isn't?

for me the family of my wife is my family too (i know for someone this can be a very hard concept to understand, especially to those who don't recognize their own family too....), if a person want to adopt another human being there are laws in place to enable this process, you are not fleecing anyone! it's a right you have, easy.

[surayu]

Regardless of the good intentions, you are doing it and fleecing the Euro tax paying public. If I was European, I would be upset and a free ride that could cost the taxpayer...ME...millions of Euro's over the life time care of the individual.

It may suck, but he is Thai and should be taken care of by his own, not become the burden of others.

Well Mr Wiggle, i guess you got it wrong again! i am a european tax payer and citizen and as a such i should be allowed to take full advantage of what i am legally entitled too, do this rings any bells to you? hellooo?!

[Mario2008]

Thai law does allow for a adult to be adopted. But I believe there must be an age difference of at least 15 years.

Best inquire with a competent lawyer and discuss your options.

[MrWiggle]

Yes but you admitted you are doing it so you can get him care back in Euro right ??

He is not your son, so trying to pull the wool over someones eyes to convince them he is is just silly and borderline deceiving.

Would you adopt him if he did not have these injuries ??

Doubt you will get it, people like you never do.

Like I said, good on you for taking care of him, but don't expect others to accept it at their cost and eventually it will be their cost at millions of dollars for life long care.

[surayu]

Mr Wiggle it's seems you still didn't get it, try to read again the whole post(title included, actually concentrate a bit on the title if you can...), it might help....

[Mario2008]

Moved to family section.

And please keep it civil.

[JUDAS]

Suck indeed. Let's say for the sake of argument the OP is living in the UK which has perhaps 30 million people in employment, the majority of which pay income tax, around 25 million people?

Let's say the person in question requires full time care in a residential nursing home at around 2500 GBBP per month ( an example I googled ) Estimating 30 years care with no input from OP cost would be 1.8 million GBP, or around 6 pence over 30 years per tax payer, 0.2 pence per year per tax payer ( someone can check my maths )

If it was an open policy to just bring everyone in for free medical care then I might be concerned if I was a tax payer but, the occasional case based on it's merits would have no noticeable effect at all.

[surayu]

Hi Judas, thanks for your "kissing" intervent, however that's not really the kind of information i was looking for, my post seems to attract so many good hearted people really, amazing....

Just to give a more clear view of our personal situation, by choice we refused to have children of our own, as i considere procreating an act of great inhumanity and greed or at the best just plain ignorance, when you think how much sufference a human being will have to sustain once born during the entire life cycle, i am talking about all sickness, phisical and psicological pain an individual will be exposed to, you will see almost every person/living entity you love or just care for to die, every object will get destroied or just vanish at some point

, why to inflict all this to an innocent being that never asked to come to this unfair world? there is no amount of money or happiness which will spare a decent person all these so why bother? still this doesn't stop us wanting to take care of other human beings and adopting someone is a way we can do this, so if we are allowed to adopt people outside our family circle and totally stranger to us, adopting someone into our family should be even easier but ironically it becomes more difficult.... does anyone can recommend a good family lawyer which might be familiar with this part of the law? thanks

[dumball]

Should you want or have a need to be the humanitarian and take care of this person , you have every right do so so on your own cognizance and at your own PERSONAL expense , what you are trying to achieve is fraud which ever way you look at it . Niether him nor his family members have paid a dime into your countries welfare as can be guessed from your post , so give us some genuine reasons why you think he has suddenly become made available of any monies from any country except his own .

[surayu]

...so give us some genuine reasons

try to read posts #10, #11, #13 you might get a clue, good luck.

Reason for Edit: forgot to ad the following to reply:

....and by the way your guess is very wrong(as the rest of your interpretation).

[dumball]

Most TV members are quite adept at reading and understanding English , should you feel we have a problem then I suggest you re-read what YOU have written and come to your own conclusions of why we have responded in the manner we have . By the way , I do not agree with your thinking on reproduction either , we are all allowed our opinions as well as you and we do express them whether you like like them or not , they are just opinions .

[surayu]

Ok Dumball, i am sorry i probably add too many details to handle for the average reader here, so let's put it on this way and have a little test, that should be easier:

1) Should a person belonging to the "first world" be allowed to adopt a children belonging to a lesser developed country?

2) Should this adopted children be able to enjoy the same rights as any "natural" children?

3) Should the parents of an adopted children be allowed to enjoy the same status as the parents of a natural children would?

now you can answer all of these very simple questions with a YES a NO or a MAYBE, be aware that if you answer all of these questions with a "YES" that would means that we have a perfect agreement on everything, so just let me know where your answer are a "MAYBE" or "NO" and we'll be starting from there.

[sassienie]

Why would Europe take on the liability ?

After all, you are simply doing it to fleece the Euro medical system that is obviously available to you right ?

how nasty people can be isn't?

for me the family of my wife is my family too (i know for someone this can be a very hard concept to understand, especially to those who don't recognize their own family too....), if a person want to adopt another human being there are laws in place to enable this process, you are not fleecing anyone! it's a right you have, easy.

Rubbish!

Yes, it is a right, if you are prepared to pay all the expenses yourself.

Why should the working taxpayer be responsible for a foreign national?

I live in Thailand, but also a British taxpayer on my pension and savings.

Should my taxes increase to pay for your brother in law? If you think yes, than please would you adopt my Thai mother in law, her 6 children, 14 grandchildren and sick cat?

Wheres your logic. In this world each has to support themselves and pay for their own. The reality is that I am sure we all feel pity for your brother in laws tragic situation and wish you all the best, but for those who do not know you consider this as your problem the same I`m sure as for any problems I have.

No, no, no, I`m not paying.

[Mario2008]

.... does anyone can recommend a good family lawyer which might be familiar with this part of the law? thanks

Try Isaan lawyers: www.thailandlawonline.com

I suspect they will tell you that unless your wife is at least 15 years older than her brother it is not possible.

[MrWiggle]

when you think how much sufference a human being will have to sustain once born during the entire life cycle, i am talking about all sickness, phisical and psicological pain an individual will be exposed to, you will see almost every person/living entity you love or just care for to die, every object will get destroied or just vanish at some point

Wow....you certainly have a cheery view on life.....all I can say is thank god you did not procreate.

You just do not seem to get it do you Suraya, how would you like it if all the amputees and all the quadraplegics in Cambodia, Vietnam and Burma came along and got adopted by your home country ? Do you think your insurance premiums and health care costs would go through the roof ??

You are trying on a blatant scam on the European country you belong to.

[Mario2008]

And that was enough, there is no need to get that personal.

Attack each others point of view, not the person.

[JUDAS]

surayu, here is a link for Thai adoption lawyer firm http://www.sgalegal.com/guide/adoption.html ( hope it's ok to post ) The link actually confirms Mario2008's statement about 15 year age difference and I'm sure they'll be able to answer all your questions.

Good luck.

[Scott]

I think one of the Mods has made a comment about the age difference. Is your wife 15 years older than her brother? If so, then it may be possible.

The question about your own country acknowledging the adoption as legitimate is entirely different.

[Mario2008]

2 posts (and 1 response to it) have been deleted for ignoring my earlier warnings to keep it civil.

[surayu]

Wow....you certainly have a cheery view on life.....all I can say is thank god you did not procreate.

Well Mr Wiggle, here we are again, yes i am happy about my choice of life too, i don't believe in god but i believe in good and for me that extra vowel make a great difference...

You just do not seem to get it do you Suraya, how would you like it if all the amputees and all the quadraplegics in Cambodia, Vietnam and Burma came along and got adopted by your home country ? Do you think your insurance premiums and health care costs would go through the roof ??

So it's me which is not understanding it? look here we are not talking about some sort of industrial or farming operation, it's about family, read carefully F-A-M-I-L-Y , my wife is thai and she can enjoy all the most important rights as i do in my own country (but she cannot vote, undergo the military service or join the secret service....i guess we can live with that), i can already ear your voice and the ones of the few people on your same line here on this forum screaming "you are fleecing your contry, this is fraud, etc.." just because i didn't marry a person belonging to my own country, so how long is going to take until you suggest all ThaiVisa members to divorce their thai wifes and to abandon any kids they might have because you don't like them to enjoy the rights they achieved with this marriage? i guess you loved the cambodian law forbidding foreigners to marry their local woman too....open your mind!

You are trying on a blatant scam on the European country you belong to.

As above

[Mario2008]

And with these last wise words I now close this thread to keep the peace on this forum.