Foreigners And Thais Arrested In Passport Scam Linked To Terrorists

[Footloose1949]

One of these days the western (Christian) world will realise that religion cannot be comparmentalised in specific countries. The US seems to think that an American citizen who belongs to the Muslim faith, can also become a Muslim terrorist/patriot.

Regarding the complaint about Thai's not being much good at English, well, this is Thailand and the structure of the grammer in both languages are also significantly different, eg. past present and future tense being a classic example! I rather enjoy this 'quirkyness'!

[hippyted]

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Yeah they really sound like British and Swedish names, more likely Middle eastern and African

These days they could easily be British. Some parts of the UK even have Sharia (civil) law now. Not sure what John Nettles would make of it all....

The only thing left that is "British" in the way you remember it is the weather.

British weather is now referred to as Muslim Weather; 10% sunni, 90% shiite.

ha ha ha ha ............Mick, coming from Brisbane, i can appreciate that one........... lololol

I spent 3 months in sunny Dorset last summer, only saw one w/e of sunshine, just been back for 2 weeks and it rained all the time.

No wonder Los is full of Brits! can you blame them ?

I LIVE IN DODGY DORSET,, no wonder i will be on the direct flight to LOS in 21 days,, cant wait,, the weather is terrible

[elcent]

Kudos to the DSI, job well done.

I think they are really on to something that will unleash and expose an international network of terrorists and criminals in their inter-related activities.

Edited December 12, 2009 by elcent

[haybilly]

Well, congrats to all the Law enforcement agencies around the world who managed to actually cooperate successfully [ sadly rather unusual] but it's amazing how a topic about some terrorist scum being apprehended can degenerate and bring out all the xenophobic racists on TV--shame.

[mike404045]

NanLaew, I think you've made a really great observation about so many who comment on this board. Seems every tiime I read the comments to a news story, there are always many who trash the Thai government - I wonder why they don't just leave if everything is so screwed up here. For the last six months I have just read the what seem to me to be moronic carping and sniveling and I usually just close the article but on this I feel I must comment.

Maybe I'm totally naive but I was under the impression that the Thai government functions for the benefit of the Thai people and generally within the context of their unique culture and history. Recently a friend who is of the old Thai nobility told me that they understand that there is corruption in their government and they can live with that as long as it is kept at respectable levels. Far too many come to Thailand because they believe that Thailand is just a place to party, get drunk, cavort with Thai women from bars and discos, and generally make sure that the Thai nationals they are in contact with know them as Ugly Americans and Ugly Europeans, and hence the resentment to fair skinned easily recognized farangs. If you don't respect the Thai culture and the Thai people (seems that far too many people characterize women as looking upon them as walking ATMs and all generally greedy and corrupt), why would you want to stay here?

agree with you completely!

Edited December 12, 2009 by mike404045

[britadders28]

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Yeah they really sound like British and Swedish names, more likely Middle eastern and African

These days they could easily be British. Some parts of the UK even have Sharia (civil) law now. Not sure what John Nettles would make of it all....

The only thing left that is "British" in the way you remember it is the weather.

So where in britain do we have sharia law?? You talking rubbish, yes we have alot of muslim community but most muslims here are against sharia law, in UK male and female equal, we eat pork and love dogs so it just wouldnt work. will we never have sharia law there would be uproar and the likes of nick griffin in BNP would become alot more popular.

[Mitker]

British weather is now referred to as Muslim Weather; 10% sunni, 90% shiite.

Simply excellent

I'm from another shiite weather country so.. total compassion

[tongfaafaasai]

.......... Britain is a far bigger haven for criminals than Thailand!

i can't agree more. i really feel sorry for Britain, you guys are too kind to foreigners. look at the benefits frauds for example, the africans and asians are claiming them left right and centre. well, how can these people claim benefits? simple answer and i am sure you british realise this too, because they work in the systems. take a look at your local council and tell yourself how many of these people work in there. then make a visit to social security office and again tell yourself how many of these people work there. and last but not least, if you happen to visit home office in croydon with your thai wife, have a look how many asians and africans work there? Britain is used and abused big time by the criminals!

by the way, i have not included your own people! they are growing rapidly too.

[glegolo]

Edited December 12, 2009 by glegolo

[termad]

".....Let's not be naive, Thailand shares a security threat paradigm with us in the West... "

I don't understand this - is Thailand under threat of illegal invasion and endless occupation by foreign armies on the back of trumped-up evidence?

Which rampaging international force are we in the West fighting in fierce combat on our streets?

Captain Nemo, get some strong coffee, there's a good chap.

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I don't understand why you ask which international force the west is fighting on its streets. The London Tube bombings were carried out by British Nationals (of Pakistani descent) born and raised in the UK and there has since been a large number of arrests of people (most again born and raised in the UK) for plotting to carry out terrorist activities in the UK and elswhere.

People have been warning of the dangers of admitting large numbers of Moslem and Hindu immigrants into UK for the last thirty years or so but their warnings have gone unheeded. These warnings were not racialist but statements of fact in as much that non Hindu or Moslem immigrants to Europe and the UK can be assimilated into the mainstream society. Mainly because of their religious beliefs Hindus and Moslems cannot and in fact refuse to be integrated. Marriage outside of their religions by young Moslems or Hindus for instance is violently opposed by their families. Because of this non integration we now have whole cities and towns where the majority of the population are not only not British but openly flaunt this fact. Exactly the same thing has happened in France and other European countries and to my mind it is colonisation not immigration. It is also a fact that young people in these areas are exposed to the teachings of radical clerics and teachers. In fact many boys of Pakistani immigrant families are sent from the UK to religious schools in Pakistan and many women in these families cannot speak English years after arriving in the UK.

I think that there should be some basic rules for the issue of EU passports to people born outside of the EU. One should be fluency in a European Language (preferrably English as it is the International Language), proof of residency with paid employment in the UK/EU for at least two years and the fulfillment of certain agreed conditions. These conditions should include that women will not wear a Burka and girls will not wear a full veil or be forced into arranged marriages.

[brahmburgers]

One of these days the western (Christian) world will realise that religion cannot be comparmentalised in specific countries. The US seems to think that an American citizen who belongs to the Muslim faith, can also become a Muslim terrorist/patriot.

Granted, most Muslims in the States are decent folks, no better nor worse than others. However, if you look at daily headlines, nearly each day there's some grotesque bombing of innocents. And, surprise surprise, it's nearly always a radical Muslim behind the atrocity. Perversely, most of the victims wind up being fellow Muslims, but that doesn't matter to the extremists. What counts for them is to make a statement, however quixotic and twisted. Muslim extremists are not only indoctrinating neighborhood children in the way of using bomb belts, but also coercing mentally retarded women, as women are less likely to be stopped and searched than men. If it looks, walks and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck.

Incidentally, the friendliest folks I've come across in my adopted town of Chiang Rai are Muslim residents here. Thais and farang are friendly, fersure, but Muslims go out of their way to wave and smile at me, as if we both just won the lottery, each time we pass on the street. If nothing else, that tells me that terrorism has little to do with religion, and everything to do with fanaticism.

British weather is now referred to as Muslim Weather; 10% sunni, 90% shiite.

got a laugh from me, good one!

[Dukeleto]

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Yeah they really sound like British and Swedish names, more likely Middle eastern and African I would also be checking the validity of their ID docs. If they are legitimate passport holders shame on those countries for having such lax immigration laws! Britain is a far bigger haven for criminals than Thailand!

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Yes sounds that they would come from arab countries and Africa country of some sort. Whatever citizenship they are holding. I would never call them British and Swedish.....

Glegolo

Oh dear. The Swedish Miss World 2000 representative was a certain Ida Sofia Manneh and their representative in the Miss Universe 2002 pageant was a Malou Hansson. They were both born in Sweden and you can google their images.

There's just no allowing for narrow mindedness these days eh? There's hope though; I think the BNP are still recruiting.

Yours Sincerely,

Tonto Goldberg MacPherson

Oh Dear indeed, try googling Segage and see how many Swedish hits you get! Hannson is clearly Swedish. Yes I can just imagine two blonde and blue eyed Swedes discussing what to call their new born daughter and coming up with Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage...jeez and I'm narrow minded.

[Credo]

It must be nice to pick and chose is from your country.

[AsiaCheese]

And police must watch out for dastardly Northern Europeans as well..

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

The latter name doesn't exactly sound Swedish; offhand, I would have said "African". But then, Sweden also has a large helping of asylants and immigrants, so...

[AsiaCheese]

British weather is now referred to as Muslim Weather; 10% sunni, 90% shiite.

:D :D

ROFL mak mak loei!

[Otis]

Hey! Let's keep this one ON TOPIC!

Regarding the former Miss Sweden Universe....

Now, back at the "doesn't look or sound much like a [enter nationality of choice here] to me" school of reasoning, what part of ethnic diversity is sticking in your craw this morning?

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It is now a certainty that a fatwah will be issued regarding this immoral behavior and dress of Miss U.. OC

[moskito]

Kudos to the DSI, job well done.

I think they are really on to something that will unleash and expose an international network of terrorists and criminals in their inter-related activities.

TERROR----TERRORISTS----TERRORASSAULT-----TERRORNETWORKS.... ohhhh men, since the Bush Terrorist ruled the world I cant sleep anymore

btw. how many CIA agents "work" in Thailand?

and another btw... I find it very suspicious that the speakers in the mosk close to our house are much louder as before...hope they not do shooting training

[judgedredd]

I’m missing a Pakistani, so I’m just curious…

From the above report, these names seem familiar, and the age fits: - - from the news account - - “…a Pakistani “Assad Said Geeyani”, age 33, and a Rohingya man known as “Awaeh”, age 38…” - - Did either of these men ever go by the name(s) or nickname(s) of “Aza”, “Azzar” or “Azzah”? Did either of them ever work as runners for “P.”, the Thai-Chinese visa guy on Soi 71? May I also assume, from what and whom I know, that either of the Pakistanis perhaps flipped and gave information to the paid German informant, “U.G.K.” in Immigration? (Yeah, the same informant who did Paul Hilton’s boiler room…)

Enquiring Falang minds, many of whom hold questionable-looking visa stamps in their passports, want to know… (i.e., the DSI’s may connect the dots eventually, and look for other fish to fry, you never know…)

Those of you who dabble in “gray area” things should keep a heads-up. Perhaps you see yourself as a “good guy” because the worst thing that you have ever done is to have a Visa Agent, like “P.” or “V.” fix an overstay for you, or make a border run for you, or get a Non-Imm “B” Visa for you, when in fact, it is all one big happy family, and now you are potentially listed in someone’s data and evidence notes.

Amazing Thailand.

Cautiously submitted,

JudgeDredd

[dunque]

as you can tell from the names, not really genuine british or swedish citizen, more likely NEW IMPORTED ones that cause trouble all over europe

Hmm, I wonder where you are from and where do you live? Hypocrisy is a very unpleasant practice.

[YORKSHIREPUD]

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Yeah they really sound like British and Swedish names, more likely Middle eastern and African

These days they could easily be British. Some parts of the UK even have Sharia (civil) law now. Not sure what John Nettles would make of it all....

The only thing left that is "British" in the way you remember it is the weather.

I agree with all you say,I've lived here in Thailand for 12 years and never want to go back to the UK because of all the migrants , it's not so much that the migrants are there, it's the demands they make to change our BRITISH customs and heritage, WE MISSED THE BOAT IN THE UK when we failed to make ENOCH POWELL the PM, he would have curbed the influx of migrants allowed in the UK and those that were accepted would have had to conform to our laws and customs.

[DegenFarang]

How does one go about buying an authentic forged passport in Thailand? I've seen the cheap fakes on Ko Sarn, but never come across anything like this- though it obviously goes on here a lot, always arrests about it in the news. And you know these arrests are like cockroaches, for every one that gets caught, there are dozens who don't.

[fiercesnake]

OK so it took them a long time but hey it has to be good news that they actually DID do something to stop these scumbags . Try Cambodia or similar and see how efficient they'd be at stopping illegal passport gangs! Just hope they keep being more efficient in providing improved security and don't become corrupted in the process.

I'm happy to hear that for once someone didn't take money to let them off as I'm sure these type of people would be looking at big bucks to pay off any official. Terrorists and linked terrorists have very deep pockets as they are backed by some very powerful and rich people.

Please keep us posted to see what the outcome is.

[JimsKnight]

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Yeah they really sound like British and Swedish names, more likely Middle eastern and African I would also be checking the validity of their ID docs. If they are legitimate passport holders shame on those countries for having such lax immigration laws! Britain is a far bigger haven for criminals than Thailand!

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Yes sounds that they would come from arab countries and Africa country of some sort. Whatever citizenship they are holding. I would never call them British and Swedish.....

Glegolo

Whilst they may have just obtained a British passport by whatever means it could also be that they were born in the UK to parents who were immigrants or whose grandparents were. Remember British people are descended from many races. Scandinavian in the north and French in the south oh and Scandinavian before that. There are also a lot of Spanish and German links as well ( I believe Queen Victoria's first language was German). Also many Brits are born abroad ( Cliff Richard. Spike Milligan, Joanna Lumley, Felicity Kendal to name just a few well known ones in the UK) If they'd been named John or Jane Smith but born in an Arab or African country would that make them ok?

What's most important is what they've done, not their name or where they were born.

Their nationality just gives a place of origin to be deported if necessary and a place to check their records or to obtain help. Of course the validity of their documents should be checked.

Historical immigrants in the days of 'get on your horse, then sail on a boat to work abroad for a living' are one thing.

Immigration and the welfare state from post WW2 onwards is quite another.

OT post.

It boils down to the senior bloodline and whether you think a nation should be a racial fusion of one herd race (socialism) or keep it's diversity separate (nationalism) or possibly a messy mix of both (the UK).

Can you imagine the Thais letting us all have passports for nothing and welfare handouts so we can call ourselves Thais and have secondary boltholes back in the UK? I don't think so either

Every race is an immigrant one, but guess what? There's such a thing as established soveriegn countries now that aren't immigrating anywhere en-masse anymore. Hence they have an established presence. The UKs full, move along now, nothing more to see here

[wintermute]

OT post.

It boils down to the senior bloodline and whether you think a nation should be a racial fusion of one herd race (socialism) or keep it's diversity separate (nationalism) or possibly a messy mix of both (the UK).

Can you imagine the Thais letting us all have passports for nothing and welfare handouts so we can call ourselves Thais and have secondary boltholes back in the UK? I don't think so either

Every race is an immigrant one, but guess what? There's such a thing as established soveriegn countries now that aren't immigrating anywhere en-masse anymore. Hence they have an established presence. The UKs full, move along now, nothing more to see here

Race is only a part of the issue.

Immigration works as long as the people immigrating are either a) able to assimilate either by design or by choice or so small in numbers as to be of relatively little significant impact on society. Unfortunately Europe decided it was a good idea to allow a culture and race of people (Fundamentalist islamic north african/arab) that were probably the exact polar opposite of the sort of liberal-socialist society most EU citizens live in. Then you get chaos.

It was an ill conceived notion but I imagine if EU countries put more thought in it they could have followed the Canadian or even Australian method of allowing people from a very wide span of different ethnicities/religious affiliations to immigrate it would have been a much wiser choice. I'd say even America's immigration was highly flawed because it had to compensate for slavery and all the civil issues brought up from it.

[termad]

BBC website today

I think that the following says it all about porous borders, UK or Thai, and how easy it is to get into the UK. The item doesn't say if they used false passports or their own passports.

Police in appeal to trace wanted foreigners in UK

An appeal has been launched by Scotland Yard to find 10 men believed to have fled to the UK after committing serious crimes abroad.

The missing men face extradition for offences including murder and rape in Poland, Romania, Lithuania and the US.

Police said "extensive" investigations had failed to find them.

The men have been described by police as "dangerous". Half have already been convicted; the rest face criminal proceedings once they have been found.

BBC home affairs correspondent Danny Shaw said the disclosure that the 10 suspects are at large in Britain is likely to raise questions about criminal record checks on visitors from abroad.

The Metropolitan Police are looking for:

Neculai Margineau, 49, a Romanian who allegedly punched and kicked a farmer to death in his homeland in May 1998. Has links to Mitcham and Enfield

Tomasz Galas, 28, is wanted in Poland for attempted rape in Radom in 2001 and for cannabis smuggling. Has links to Croydon

Marcin Grabowski, 32, wanted for an attempted firearms murder in Poland

Giedrius Rimidis, 24, is accused of a "terrifying rape" in July 2008 in Lithuania. Has links to Leyton, east London

Briton John McClean, 23, is wanted in Virginia, US, over a high-value burglary at a university. Has links to Tower Hamlets and High Wycombe

Zbigniew Kawecki, 55, wanted for firearms offences and attempts to extort more than £1m in Lublin, Poland. Has links to Greenford, west London

Two Polish brothers, Wojciech Glowacki, 28, and Dariusz Glowacki, 32, accused of three rapes in 2000 and 2001. Have links to Acton, west London and Slough

Florin Dumitru, 22, accused of being part of a gang involved in a robbery last March in Romania. Has ties to Birmingham

Gintautas Rupslaukis, 36, a Lithuanian accused of involvement in a kidnapping a torture case, who may be in the Greater Manchester area

Det Sgt Dean Coyle of Scotland Yard's extradition unit said police had been unable to trace the men so far.

He said he hoped the public manhunt, codenamed Operation Sunfire, would flush them out.

"We are hoping the public's vigilance can help us in tracing these men," he said.

"Many are dangerous and should not be approached. However if you spot them or believe you know where they are living, working or frequenting then I would urge you to give Crimestoppers a call so that my team can find and arrest them."

Anyone with information about any of the men is asked to contact Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

[bangkokgas]

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Yeah they really sound like British and Swedish names, more likely Middle eastern and African

These days they could easily be British. Some parts of the UK even have Sharia (civil) law now. Not sure what John Nettles would make of it all....

The only thing left that is "British" in the way you remember it is the weather.

You'd be labeled a racist here now for that comment! I've just relocated from Thailand after 21 years in Thailand (well,11 in thailand,10 in Japan) and I don't recognise the country I left. If you are white, educated and over 30 you have no chance in getting on in life. Can't wait to get back to Thailand! The negativity Westerners whinge about all things Thai/ Let 'em go home and see how things have changed since they left.

[ryladie99]

And police must watch out for dastardly Northern Europeans as well..

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Thanks for posting and I am sure more to come...Thailand is very inexpensive place to live and the government has to crack down deep inch by inch..trust me last time the Thai lady got money from President Bush homeland security and one top terrorist got caught. ( the bad guy went to buy ice coffee and the lady saw him ) The American paid soo.... much money?? and I am sure the lady can retire. Wow Kudo for the investigator team...

[TAWP]

as you can tell from the names, not really genuine british or swedish citizen, more likely NEW IMPORTED ones that cause trouble all over europe

Hmm, I wonder where you are from and where do you live? Hypocrisy is a very unpleasant practice.

What? He doesn't pretend to be Thai...

[Sturbuc]

The suspects are British national Ahoor Rambarak Fath, 45, and Swedish woman Masobukwe Moiseng Patricia Segage, 45

Yeah they really sound like British and Swedish names, more likely Middle eastern and African I would also be checking the validity of their ID docs. If they are legitimate passport holders shame on those countries for having such lax immigration laws! Britain is a far bigger haven for criminals than Thailand!

There's one hel_l of a lot of "Brits" with names like that nowadays, large number of our prison inmates have very non Brit names.

Well, just keep in mind about the Commonwealth. Not really a matter of current laws.