Tractor

[joker7]

Thanks lads....

I think I am actually in farming nursery !!!

There is im sure a massive difference as you described between renting and buying. Im not sure If I would have ever actually spent the million baht it was more just a figure thrown out there. But for sure now Ill rent for the first 2-3+ years until I am comfortable.

I paid 35k/rai. Is this reasonable ? The land borders a river which runs throughout the year, I saw it in March/April there was around 3-5 ft of water flowing. There is also 3 of those large fish dams which am not sure if id ever use. From what I was told by the thai;s who were farming the land was that I would get 9,000baht/rai from the Sweetcorn which isnt too bad. Figure in the cost of planting/ploughing/fertiliser/harvest etc you might get 5-6000baht/rai profit.

Seems ok. It does seem expensive at 25% for repairs. Good to know this. Plus I would am guessing have to build a shed to store it and yes I can see the list going on and on and on. So for sure renting seems like the way.

Cheers

Joker

[Foreverford]

Thanks lads....

I think I am actually in farming nursery !!!

There is im sure a massive difference as you described between renting and buying. Im not sure If I would have ever actually spent the million baht it was more just a figure thrown out there. But for sure now Ill rent for the first 2-3+ years until I am comfortable.

I paid 35k/rai. Is this reasonable ? The land borders a river which runs throughout the year, I saw it in March/April there was around 3-5 ft of water flowing. There is also 3 of those large fish dams which am not sure if id ever use. From what I was told by the thai;s who were farming the land was that I would get 9,000baht/rai from the Sweetcorn which isnt too bad. Figure in the cost of planting/ploughing/fertiliser/harvest etc you might get 5-6000baht/rai profit.

Seems ok. It does seem expensive at 25% for repairs. Good to know this. Plus I would am guessing have to build a shed to store it and yes I can see the list going on and on and on. So for sure renting seems like the way.

Cheers

Joker

Just as a little joke in deference to your name, well maybe not a joke, but anywho and how here we go.

My tractor in Monterey County California (late 1970's) was just like a mule or my goats it stayed on the farm in the rain or shine no shelter. I was picking up an old 8N in San Jose when I found another guy who asked what I paid. I told him 2000 and he said hel_l I'll sell you my 5000 for $2,500 and it's got a loader. My 8N was a 1949 and i eventually sold it for what I paid for it and it still today is worth between $2-3000. I bought the 5000 in the wettest year ever there (almost). this guy had a farm outside Pescadero near the Pacific Ocean and the middle of his farm washed away with the over-flowing creek. When he found his barn and outbuilding and all his tractors half way down in the creek one morning the only thing that he could get started was that old 5000 and with the loader he was able to pull all the rest of his tractors and mess out of the creek .

end of story that tractor stayed out in the elements, no roll bar no canopy, and every time i got on it and hit that start button it would fire up on the first crank, you would never have it turn over once or even two or three times like a Dodge car. BANG like a good gun when you pulled the trigger or hit the starter it was boom baby boom shakala. Forever For Fords

[IsaanAussie]

Thanks lads....

I think I am actually in farming nursery !!!

There is im sure a massive difference as you described between renting and buying. Im not sure If I would have ever actually spent the million baht it was more just a figure thrown out there. But for sure now Ill rent for the first 2-3+ years until I am comfortable.

I paid 35k/rai. Is this reasonable ? The land borders a river which runs throughout the year, I saw it in March/April there was around 3-5 ft of water flowing. There is also 3 of those large fish dams which am not sure if id ever use. From what I was told by the thai;s who were farming the land was that I would get 9,000baht/rai from the Sweetcorn which isnt too bad. Figure in the cost of planting/ploughing/fertiliser/harvest etc you might get 5-6000baht/rai profit.

Seems ok. It does seem expensive at 25% for repairs. Good to know this. Plus I would am guessing have to build a shed to store it and yes I can see the list going on and on and on. So for sure renting seems like the way.

Cheers

Joker

Just as a little joke in deference to your name, well maybe not a joke, but anywho and how here we go.

My tractor in Monterey County California (late 1970's) was just like a mule or my goats it stayed on the farm in the rain or shine no shelter. I was picking up an old 8N in San Jose when I found another guy who asked what I paid. I told him 2000 and he said hel_l I'll sell you my 5000 for $2,500 and it's got a loader. My 8N was a 1949 and i eventually sold it for what I paid for it and it still today is worth between $2-3000. I bought the 5000 in the wettest year ever there (almost). this guy had a farm outside Pescadero near the Pacific Ocean and the middle of his farm washed away with the over-flowing creek. When he found his barn and outbuilding and all his tractors half way down in the creek one morning the only thing that he could get started was that old 5000 and with the loader he was able to pull all the rest of his tractors and mess out of the creek .

end of story that tractor stayed out in the elements, no roll bar no canopy, and every time i got on it and hit that start button it would fire up on the first crank, you would never have it turn over once or even two or three times like a Dodge car. BANG like a good gun when you pulled the trigger or hit the starter it was boom baby boom shakala. Forever For Fords

I'm going to buy in on one point, the issue of 25% R&M budget. Given that everyone who has a tractor has purchased a different set of problems, I look at it this way. Actual R&M expenditure per year is less than 5% of purchase price, the other is lost opportunity cost. Leave the details to your imagination but I hope you can see the point.

IA

[JNASHDDS]

The NH (New Holland) TS90 is one of the models that is avaliable in Cambodia - through Anglo Thai in Thailand, who receive the machine in "KND" form on a pallet, and assemble it in Thailand at their depot (not far from the old Bkk international airport), and then send it on to a number of countries around Thailand. And the price you have quoted is more or less right.

So - yes, thats a possibility, but I have to tell you that I have doubts about this: the TS90 is a relatively "sophisticated" tractor with electronics and a hydraulic system that requires more than a basic mechanical skill to maintain, and the issue with respect to choosing which models to make avalible on the Asian market is very much one about maintenance and skill level (of local dealers and workshops). Manufacturers try to discourage importation of models that have have anything more than basic mechanics, because the skill levels required for maintanence and the logistics required to support parts distrabution and stocking add's a layer of admin that to date has not proved really profitable for the manufacturers.

What I suspect is been looked at here is one or other of the Chinese "counterfeits", which has been dressed up to look like a New Holland TS90 model - and there are quite a few of those around!

The 3rd possibility is a Eastern European model which is titled something along the lines of ST or TS 90. If I recall correctly this tractor is not painted blue (both the above examples are painted blue with grey or blue coloured engine blocks), but is painted the same colour as the old Spanish SAME tractors - a orange/reddish colour.

I am trying to locate a lightweight portable tiller/cultivator suitable for field preparation in mountainous remote terrain. My google search has produced only Chinese or India products - see attachment, nothing available here in Chiangmai. Any advice? please respond directly to [email protected] THANKS

manufacturer_power-tiller_1.htm

[prvtdetdave]

Say fellas,

My In-Laws use a 2 wheel Kobuta, I would love to get a small 4 wheel tractor for them, but used tractor prices in Thailand are crazy.

I have a couple here in the states,

but I thought I might try shipping a good Ford 8n.

I know the shipping costs for a 20' Container is around $1,800.

Then I could load it with other goodies. a few implements.

I believe there must be some type of duty tax.

Anyone know how much that maybe?

[IsaanAussie]

Say fellas,

My In-Laws use a 2 wheel Kobuta, I would love to get a small 4 wheel tractor for them, but used tractor prices in Thailand are crazy.

I have a couple here in the states,

but I thought I might try shipping a good Ford 8n.

I know the shipping costs for a 20' Container is around $1,800.

Then I could load it with other goodies. a few implements.

I believe there must be some type of duty tax.

Anyone know how much that maybe?

You will find the current duty rate by going to the Royal Thai Customs web site. Note: Most tractors are imported as CKD kits to minimise duty rates, check that out it may save some money. How far the tractor has to be dismantled I have no idea but I imagine it would need to have all the body work and wheels removed at least. Another thing to check out is the tractor valuation, Thai customs have been known to set their own values on things based on web search averages and all sort of strange things. Would probably pay you to get a recognised local customs agent who may know a more "efficient" way of minimising the overall cost.

Isaanaussie.

[slapout]

Dave the 8N you mention sending, is good for small dry farm use. I always found them helpless in wet/mud, which in Thailand is common. Granted they are easy to work with using 3 point hood up, but good fuel cost (gasoline) is high compared to diesel. Repair and parts may be a consideration. Just some thoughts to consider, plus improt duty, etc.

[RedBullHorn]

I was very tempted to buy a Yanmar EF352T or a Kubota L series years back due to all the continuing teasing from the people in my village including neighbours and the wife's family member was a pain in the neck with all those constant pressuring to buy one either for "their faces" value or for them to burrow in the future. Eventually all my paddy field in one plot were dug to do fish farming...i see there no need for me to buy one afterall since the other plot is done by one of the uncle base on sharing system, as owner i'll get 1/3 of the harvest.

The numbers of 4 wheels tractor are increasing steadily in my tambon, about 350 of them and still counting...so i did the next best thing...

I opened a home shop selling all the tractors spare parts ( full specs ! )... :lol: Yup! see who's having the last laugh now PEOPLE !

Edited August 16, 2010 by RedBullHorn

[prvtdetdave]

Thank you gentelmen,

I will certainly look at the Thai web site and the thank you for factoring the wet weather soil/climate

I still have my business here in the states and my family here has an extensive farm and farm background.

I may consider on my next trip (leaving Sept 2nd for Kranuan) of building a tractor for them. Our project over the winter months we had buildt a couple homebuildt tractors for special applications.

A small 4cyl diesel with a 4x4 transfer case high low range maybe the ticket, add a hydralic pump and WALA!.

Although as I think of it, I may end up being the chief engineer (lol).

I go 3 times a year for about a month and hope to settle in January of 2011.

[finner]

Hey Sockmeister, did you ever get that tractor for your brother in Cambodia?

A few interesting things have happened since your original post last January. My GF has been given a Cambodian ID card (her family escaped from Pol Pot in the 70's and settled near the border in Thailand) and she is now purchasing farmland in Cambodia. Apparently there are lots of foreigners there carrying on all sorts of businesses but what they all seem to need is tractors. They want nothing but Fords and have asked her to help them out. No problem getting them across the border, a police escort will be waiting if she ever gets one there.

Another thing I've noticed; last time I wrote you in this thread I suggested you go to the auction for your Ford tractor. There were usually 5 - 15 units at every auction but now there are none and there hasn't been one for several months. Wonder if they're going to Cambodia already?

[finner]

In case anyone is interested, there are 14 Ford tractors being auctioned later this month plus a few big Massey Fergusons. I'll be the falang with the free straw hat! This is at the Km35 site.

http://www.jssr.co.th/auction/?page_id=3&AUC=F30&CAT=FARMING%20TRACTOR%20&TYPE=ALL&PN=1〈=eng

finner

[prvtdetdave]

Well I broke down and bought a used Kubota 26hp best I can figure as it is smaller but has the 4 cyl engine.

I figure it should do for the 70 ria / As time goes on I'll get a few attachments for it.

16.4k hours on it.

I received a 4 dic plow with it & a pair of steel paddle wheels, so for 86k baht I figured it was ok. / May God have mercy on my soul (lol).

I looked into the jssr thing, but the lady there wanted a 10k deposite. I do believe she was talking usd.

Thanks to all you gentlemen who gave me some advise.